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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 4:42:08 PM   
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Let's hope he starts with his NUMBER THREE GUY...

I mean, he only raised funds for Al Queda, and defended that dirtbag Lindh, let's start there Eric!



You mention the "raised funds for AQ" a few times in this thread. It is total bullshit that you are both unable or unwilling to provide a decent link for.

Its a shame people cant just debate the truth instead of making crap up.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 7:44:11 PM   
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Let's hope he starts with his NUMBER THREE GUY...

I mean, he only raised funds for Al Queda, and defended that dirtbag Lindh, let's start there Eric!



You mention the "raised funds for AQ" a few times in this thread. It is total bullshit that you are both unable or unwilling to provide a decent link for.

Its a shame people cant just debate the truth instead of making crap up.

So I'm lying about Holder and West donating thousands of billable hours to accused terrorists? If not charging them all that money in legal fees isn't funding them, please give me the progressive definition funding terrorism.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 7:54:38 PM   
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"Raising funds for Al Queda" was the description used. "Funding" means providing with funds, i.e. "money."

It's not the 'progressive' definition, it's the standard dictionary definition and financial establishment meaning of the term.

The lawyers provided pro bono defense for gitmo accused, not all of whom are Al Qaeda. It is required in most states for criminal lawyers to provide a quota of pro bono work, usually as public defender, paid for by tax dollars. Would you prefer that tax dollars were used for this purpose for the gitmo defendants?








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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 8:00:14 PM   
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Wait a minute......didn`t the mod just tell little robbie to stop his highjack?


Hey "subrob" ...start a thread about the JOD`s #3 and we`ll embarrass you there.


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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 8:12:28 PM   
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Let's hope he starts with his NUMBER THREE GUY...

I mean, he only raised funds for Al Queda, and defended that dirtbag Lindh, let's start there Eric!


Wow Rob... Judicial Watch... Say hi to Judge Judy next time you post there!


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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 8:19:17 PM   
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How is it off topic?  I see your point Mike, but vox populi is a pipe dream, we are indeed a republican form of democracy by constitution, our president is elected by republican voting mechanisms, not pure democratic election. Our house and senate, or judicial is set up with republican mechanisms, we hold no althings in this country. Our constitution would have to be gutted to its core to do the popular vote on every question or as you frame it there.



and without what do you "legally" have to prove what the constituency wants? No a fucking thing! Not the constitution would not have to be gutted and would need only minor changes to support such a system. Why do you think the fucktards you put in office are ALWAYS doing such STOOPID shit the people would never in a million years allow. Because we have no PROOF that we told them otherwise. What a deal! Dumb assed americans always go for expediency over protecting their own interests.




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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 8:25:27 PM   
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Ok....I`ll explain......if you`re engaged in,planning,supporting or facilitating attacks on the United States.....no matter who you are or where you are,you`re fair game.


Do we tell our police to wait until the perp is firing and killing people before it`s ok to take them out?


Hell fuck`n no!


IMO,a terrorist who takes up arms against the US is the same as a criminal raising his weapon to fire.


This is a hot war and you don`t wait to kill someone who is making war on you.It`s pretty simple,really.



too bad there is no discernible difference between "attack" and "dissension" huh? How easy is it to transform words of dissension into words of attack? Its done all the time, look at those kinds with their alleged pipe bombs. Ask any cop who was the victim of media, (not that they dont usually deserve it), and they will tell you how they create any image they want fuck reality.


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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 10:19:38 PM   
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"The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process." Eric Holder, Attorney General of the United States.

Well now, that's a comforting new standard, isn't it?


Well, it is not a new standard at all,     



It's a new standard for Holder, Ron. He just vindicated Bush, embraced military commissions and rationalized away all those pesky philosophical issues that seemed to be a problem for him. AND we have our honorable thread starter from New Jersey claiming it's what he's been for, all along.

Thanks for the clarification, too.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 10:49:06 PM   
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The Patriot act never should have been passed




Yet it was inevitable that some huge new police powers bill was going to pass, DS. From the moments the holes were opened up in New York, Washington, and a field, you had to know that the holes in our view and practice of national security were going to get plugged, and right quick, by God.

You've spoken about direct democracy, and this is why I'm opposed to the idea. We Americans can be impatient, demanding, and have been known to disregard the traditional ways of doing things. Can you imagine how much worse we might have gotten, had the public passions of the day decided what the new path would be? We need the layer of representatives to slow the process down, and at least get the boiling emotion down to a simmer. Like I said, at least we got a sunset clause.

Now to try and steer this back to the topic, I'm all in favor of finding these treasonous fucks, and making the whole world within 50 feet of them go boom. I'm all in favor of FBI infiltrators being common enough that stupid fuckers here who want to blow shit up for God get diverted merrily along the path to jail, instead of a mass murderer's "Paradise." I'm also big on free speech, and individual liberty, and limiting the effects of government over the lives of the citizenry. It gets to be a really nasty gray area, at times like these. Give me sunset clauses, and constant revision, and most importantly, public debate that isn't dominated by "it's all good when our side does it."

Have you had a chance to read Holder's speech? I may have to look for the video match-ups of Holder, then and now.

http://www.lawfareblog.com/2012/03/text-of-the-attorney-generals-national-security-speech/


And thank you so much, Owner59, for bringing this remarkable "about face, with egg all over our face," event to all of our attention.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 10:58:32 PM   
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Ahhhh.....lol.....back to bush


Every thread that you started (and died a quick death) about the Obama Doctrine has been a lame attempt at defending bush`s world class fuck ups.


1st you`ll have to show where any democrat bashed bush over targeted killings of terrorists........overseas.But won`t be able to b/c it didn`t happen.

What good decent Americans bashed bush for and rightly so was lying us into his personal war,torture,throwing GIs under the bus for following THEIR orders at Abu Ghraib,Plamgate,4500 dead GIs for nothing,letting bin-laden go/flubbing Afghanistan,etc.,etc.,etc.

That`s polar opposites of what the president is doing to keep America safe.

Take comfort if you think you can manage some but nobody thinks the Obama doctrine vindicates little bush or is even thinking along those lines......

The main push-back against President Obama is coming from the far left.

You bush apologists/endless-complainers are nothing but a squeak.



So.......could we not hijack the thread with bush..........unless you`re back for more humiliation fun....




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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 11:01:34 PM   
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Read the speech you posted a brag about, Owner59.

And have a nice night

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 11:02:31 PM   
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Could you speak in normal?

It`s 2 AM here......must be way past your bed time in Cali......

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/7/2012 3:49:30 AM   
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"Raising funds for Al Queda" was the description used. "Funding" means providing with funds, i.e. "money."

It's not the 'progressive' definition, it's the standard dictionary definition and financial establishment meaning of the term.

The lawyers provided pro bono defense for gitmo accused, not all of whom are Al Qaeda. It is required in most states for criminal lawyers to provide a quota of pro bono work, usually as public defender, paid for by tax dollars. Would you prefer that tax dollars were used for this purpose for the gitmo defendants?




This.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/7/2012 5:04:05 AM   
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oh it gets better, these sorts of laws went in that could mean death for anybody that anybody else ever calls a terrorist (and yes, you ARE encouraged to tell on your neighbors) and that scope has widened quite a lot to include regular gangs

do you know what was officially called a gang by the government? people who are considered juggalos, whether or not they consider themselves to actualy BE juggalos, if youre called a juggalo you can be killed. do you know what a juggalo is? somebody who listens to music coming from a record label called psychopatic records. a fucking record label, that's it, that's all it takes now. why? because fans of the record label, specifically but not limited to fans of one particular band called insane clown posse, like to dress up and wear face paint, you know, like a FUCKING KISS FAN DOES! seriously, where the fuck else do you call the commercial version a bunch of fans and the less known version a fucking gang? what other country would be so stupid? icp and most of the psychopathic label are the exact same thing as simpsons or south park, sure they use naughty language and weird shit happens but it's to teach you what not to do, like stan marsh says almost every single episode "i learned something today" know why he says that? BECAUSE THE SHOW IS TEACHING YOU A LESSON! and it doesn't have to be in your face about it, a psa about not being mean to somebody who's different gets mocked to no end, but the episode of south park 'conjoined fetus lady' you actually watch. exact same with icp, yes you could have all sorts of training and psa the topic of internet predators to the end of time, but not a lot of people, especially the people who would be targeted, will actually pay attention, but out comes a song called 'to catch a predator' and people listen, it may not change their views on being invincible online but it might, and even if it doesn't the thought may actually be in their hollow teenage skull somewhere (lets face it, i was mature for my age but even my teen years are filled to the brim with stupid and non thought) now there are better examples for both psychopathic records and south park but i think you get it, now what is the big difference here? nobody is saying 'lets shoot people who watch south park and do a cartman impression' but people are seriously saying 'lets shoot people who like music' damn i hate people

well, that's my venting on the stupidity and brainlessness of people who don't know what they're talking about when it comes to what is and is not dangerous




yes, that is a bit wacked. My niece laughed when she saw my icp gloves and told me she hadn't realized I was a gang member. When I asked what she meant she told me any icp gear was banned from her school because only gang members bought that stuff. I guess you learn something new everyday. Have you read Behind the Paint yet? If not try and get a copy. I think you would really enjoy it.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/7/2012 7:59:52 AM   
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yes, that is a bit wacked. My niece laughed when she saw my icp gloves and told me she hadn't realized I was a gang member. When I asked what she meant she told me any icp gear was banned from her school because only gang members bought that stuff. I guess you learn something new everyday. Have you read Behind the Paint yet? If not try and get a copy. I think you would really enjoy it.


yes i cut my section out, that was a fucking text wall that i spared you all from having to deal with again


no actually, i haven't found that book yet, but i did notice the local spencers in the mall suddenly seemed to have alot more icp and hatchet merchandise (some saying official and some not, but i honestly doubt any of it was official seeing as they hatchet has their own setup, yeah, bad buisness spencers, bad, naughty) i don't know, i've heard violent j reading out of his book about the chapter on how he came up with the carnival theme and have wanted to find the book, it really sounds like an interesting read and coming from a librarian thats saying a whole hell of a lot


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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/7/2012 8:23:08 AM   
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"The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process." Eric Holder, Attorney General of the United States.

Well now, that's a comforting new standard, isn't it?


Well, it is not a new standard at all,     



It's a new standard for Holder, Ron. He just vindicated Bush, embraced military commissions and rationalized away all those pesky philosophical issues that seemed to be a problem for him. AND we have our honorable thread starter from New Jersey claiming it's what he's been for, all along.

Thanks for the clarification, too.


Nope not any sort of standard, and it cannot be anything new.  It was that way when he went to law school, when he was born, when his father was born, and when his people were slaves. 

It is constitutional.  Been there since that paper was scribbled.
Nothing new whatsoever. 

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/7/2012 2:02:21 PM   
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Their website is a pain to navigate but heres the link

http://www.hatchetgear.com/collector-items.html?media_options=103

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/7/2012 2:19:41 PM   
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Let's hope he starts with his NUMBER THREE GUY...

I mean, he only raised funds for Al Queda, and defended that dirtbag Lindh, let's start there Eric!



You mention the "raised funds for AQ" a few times in this thread. It is total bullshit that you are both unable or unwilling to provide a decent link for.

Its a shame people cant just debate the truth instead of making crap up.

So I'm lying about Holder and West donating thousands of billable hours to accused terrorists? If not charging them all that money in legal fees isn't funding them, please give me the progressive definition funding terrorism.

"You have a right to an attorney. If you so desire and cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you at no charge"

Remember those words rob?

Being appointed to defend an accused criminal is NOT donating money to that criminal enterprise.
We have this silly assed document called a Constitution. Apparently, you feel that obeying it is criminal.

I'm surprised a cop should say something that stupid when you know better. come on man, you're smarter than that.

Once again, your supposed source is some unatributed blog. It just makes you look like you don't know any better.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/7/2012 3:49:50 PM   
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People keep running here (or to other forums) to invest a post or start a new thread just after reading something 'outrageous!' from whatever wacko publication they drive themselves nuts with and just expect others to hop on board and take whatever nonsense from that at face value.





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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/7/2012 6:16:34 PM   
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Their website is a pain to navigate but heres the link

http://www.hatchetgear.com/collector-items.html?media_options=103


thank you :) alright, i suppose i should say something actualy on topic, umm.... oh, yeah there is always going to be the case where people are given a free attorney however, this is really more about the cases that never reach court and go directly to execution, having previously dated a marine i do happen to know quite alot of these "legal" assassinations, but even the marines AND cia call it what it is, its a fucking assassination


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