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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/7/2012 7:28:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: imdmb... if youre called a juggalo you can be killed.

Good news. And there I was worrying about this country having potential shortage of drama. Rest me and fluff my pillows.

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what other country would be so stupid?

Lots, including this one ~ 55 years ago for reading or ordering a book considered to be even just supporting or alluding to communist doctrine; 1965, guy in Texas did the whole ten years for possession of a half-smoked joint; fourteen yr. old girl shot dead at Kent State U protest in 1970; we turned it around in the late 70's, sister got a $50 fine for having 24 plants in her car in NC, and the state trooper and the DA were chuckling about it, just normal business, but all concerned felt it to be 'quaint' at the time; then ...

Reagan.

Been all downhill from there.

Don't expect much.

In the old days, all a guy had to do was to have long hair. All the harassment you wanted, from all corners, up to mid-70s. Nowadays, you have to keep up with which gloves to wear. Too complicated for me.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/7/2012 10:03:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
It`s 2 AM here......must be way past your bed time in Cali......

Pretty much. I like to watch the sun rise, through my kitchen window, or from out on the deck. And, of course, my bed isn't a cold or lonely place.

Seen the ACLU response to Holder's speech? Perhaps when you do finally go to bed, you can think about what they have to say.

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Anyone willing to trust President Obama with the power to secretly declare an American citizen an enemy of the state and order his extrajudicial killing should ask whether they would be willing to trust the next president with that dangerous power.

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-comment-eric-holder-speech-targeted-killing-program

Now 90% of the time, the ACLU just pisses me off, but their opinion seems to matter to a lot of liberals. We'll see, I guess.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/7/2012 10:13:51 PM

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Except for the 10 % of the time the ACLU goes against the president you are against.

Yeah, we got it, great mystery solved. What a coincidence, etc.

"but their opinion seems to matter to a lot of liberals." Ah yes, projection at it's finest.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/7/2012 10:30:11 PM

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Except for the 10 % of the time the ACLU goes against the president you are against.

Yeah, we got it, great mystery solved. What a coincidence, etc.

No, not really. My views on civil liberties run a bit deeper than which party is in power. I'm a real pain in the ass on free speech issues. I'm not so big on things like letting a serial killer out on parole, because he might have been coerced into a confession.

Assuming values that vary entirely on who is in office at the time? Project much?

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/7/2012 10:44:57 PM

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Project much?

No, why?

I don't know why you're asking me for lessons in that, you seem to be doing quite well on your own;

"... but their opinion seems to matter to a lot of liberals."

You're doing fine there, no worries.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/8/2012 6:58:22 AM

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So you don't think it is accurate to suggest that more liberals care about the ACLU's positions, than conservatives do? What do you find hard to deal with about that idea?

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/8/2012 7:37:30 AM

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More liberals care about the Constitution`s positions...... than conservatives do.The ACLU feels is just one reflection of that.

Your party`s views on voter suppression............ are a more accurate reflection of how you view civil liberties.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/8/2012 5:51:01 PM

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More liberals care about the Constitution`s positions...... than conservatives do.

LOL, Owner59. Just the parts of the Constitution they like. Rather like the ACLU not recognizing the number "2" when they count to 10.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/8/2012 6:15:34 PM

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What actions have they taken against the 2nd Amendment rights again?......bullshiter......

This is why your party will lose in Nov.,ya`ll have nothing to offer but bullshit..........not even blaming the media is going to salve your egos.

Strange....here`s a thread to discuss targeting American terrorists and your speechless/thoughtless.........accept for bringing up world-class-failure bush........and the vice-treasonist......

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/8/2012 7:38:40 PM

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What actions have they taken against the 2nd Amendment rights again?......bullshiter.....

This is why your party will lose in Nov.,ya`ll have nothing to offer but bullshit..........not even blaming the media is going to salve your egos.

Strange....here`s a thread to discuss targeting American terrorists and your speechless/thoughtless.........accept for bringing up world-class-failure bush........and the vice-treasonist......

You've really got me laughing now, Owner59. Your attempt to move the goalposts on the ACLU and the Second Amendment is just fucking pathetic, even by the fine standards you set. "Action against???"

November 6 is still a long way away. President Obama has all the advantages of incumbency, and a friendly media environment. He also has a looming Supreme Court decision that will put Obamacare right back on every kitchen table, no matter which way it goes. Gas prices will be starting their summer swing from a record high starting point, and the economy has to stay anemic enough in the growth not to let inflation get loose, and go runaway on us, too soon. The Hope and Change are dead, dude. This speech by Holder is just another color squeezed onto the palette for the Republicans to paint a picture of an administration that wasted three years figuring out how wrong they were to begin with.

Bush II hasn't come into the conversation to distract from the subject. The Attorney General brought hm up, in the speech you decided to post about. Holder tried very hard in his speech not to actually say the Bush administration was right all long, but couldn't quite pull it off. I guess the speechwriters got stuck on that, because he both embraced military commissions, AND pointed out that the previous administration had used the civilian courts extensively.

Please, Owner59, do give the speech a read, and then tell us more about how it's what you have been saying all along.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/8/2012 10:24:03 PM

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What actions have they taken against the 2nd Amendment rights again?......bullshiter......

This is why your party will lose in Nov.,ya`ll have nothing to offer but bullshit..........not even blaming the media is going to salve your egos.

Strange....here`s a thread to discuss targeting American terrorists and your speechless/thoughtless.........accept for bringing up world-class-failure bush........and the vice-treasonist......

they are all failures!

the only thing you get from EITHER party is the glitter

you will only see the rotten carcus they sold you when its too late 50 years up the road

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/9/2012 2:47:58 PM

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You have got to be kidding owner59..
You want to allow our government to murder anyone they THINK is a threat without any opposition? Looks like you have fallen for the bullshit hook line and sinker.

What are you so afraid of? terrorist are not super humans with other worldly powers. Fire doesn't shoot from their hands and they don't have nuclear bombs strapped to them. Stop believing all the tv and movie crap and man up! The system we have had for years works very well and it separates us from the 3rd world dictatorships we USED to be able to look down on. The mob rules is no way to run a society. Stop being afraid of your shadow and realize the boogie man is not coming after your country
it is a made up enemy for the purpose of enslaving you.. try googling "false flag" and learn the truth...

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