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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/6/2012 8:14:50 AM   
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Yes, it happens every time. When an emergency arises the conservatives and religious right who do not support the redistribution of income and believe in people taking responsibility for themselves are then standing in line to receive federal and state assistance. Again, I support the redistribution of wealth. But for those of you who do NOT support the concept of redistribution of wealth, and vote at every turn to deny OTHERS government assistance, please explain to me WHY exactly YOU are entitled to assistance now. Why is YOUR need any greater than that of anyone else? Why is it when people attack liberals it is about unnecessary "handouts" that conservative don't feel like paying for, but when it is conservatives who are hurt, they require necessary "assistance" and I am expected to pay. I'm happy to pay my taxes to help others. BUT it really bugs me when my tax dollars go to people who actually fight the concept of redistribution at every turn. Happy to get a handout when THEY are the ones in trouble. It's just those OTHER people who shouldn't get handouts. Ah yes, hypocrisy, gotta love it.


That's easy. They paid for it!

Government redistribution of wealth is nothing more than government sponsored insurance, force paid by the people, and doled out by government to whom it decides should receive it.

BUT it really bugs me when my tax dollars go to people who actually fight the concept of redistribution at every turn.

Well it should. On the other hand, should those whom are forced to support what they vehemently disagree with (government redistribution) be denied their claim for coverage (asking for the handout) which they have every right to make because they paid for it? There is no hypocrisy there.


I pay in to the system. And I do not complain about the overall concept of redistribution. And I also don't spend a lot of time debating about whether any given individual is an appropriate recipient or not because in any system like this there will be some waste. It is the price we pay. We can have debates about what things government will provide assistance for and what it won't, but I would NEVER call someone who required assistance a freeloader. But conservatives feel they can call other people that. But then, when they need to collect, they don't self-direct the same criticism. Suddenly they are more than happy to collect without pausing to think that even if their taxes had been lower because our government scrapped redistributive policies, they are still collecting MORE than they paid in. It is highly unlikely than any of the tornado losses are LESS than what was paid in by people. This is how redistribution works, people. We all pay in. Some people get paid back more than their fair share. Some less. And some none. That is the way it works. I'm just tired of conservatives complaining that others collect more than they pay in, but are happy to collect more themselves.

I know what. Why don't we go back through all of the tax returns of these conservatives and restrict their "handouts" to ONLY the portion of their taxes that are attributable to tornado disaster redistributive policy with interest. Guess what? That amount won't come close to covering their losses. Not even close. Any conservative who takes MORE than they've put into the system has no right to complain about the basic concept of redistribution. They didn't pay for all of it.


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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/6/2012 8:18:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nah ... Libertarians are often the capitalist counterpart of parlor-pink communists. Few if any of them have much grasp of how dependent they are on the millenia of socio-economic development, and many see themselves as such superior specimens of the human species that they'd be vindicated by personal success if government dissolved into anarchy.

Note: That is not a personal attack on anybody, merely a comment regarding the common characteristics of most prominent liberal politicians, and some of their more vociferous supporters.

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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/6/2012 8:21:35 AM   
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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/6/2012 8:29:21 AM   
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Libertarian........a republican who can`t bring himself to vote for republicans(pick a reason)but has found another way to waste their vote......


Not true at all. Libertarians are more closely aligned with old time democrats; the democrat of your great great great grandfather. The modern republican, of the neo-con sort which comprises the core, are anathema to libertarians.


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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/6/2012 8:33:29 AM   
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Not true at all. Libertarians are more closely aligned with old time democrats; the democrat of your great great great grandfather.

Pro slavery racists, you mean?

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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/6/2012 8:33:42 AM   
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Before this thread I'd never heard of Mike Malloy. How is some minor radio talker comparable to the leader of the conservative movement before which all GOP pols must grovel?



(And of course he was providing a counter-point to Pat Robertson's stand on divine retribution.)

Anyone find the full transcript?

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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/6/2012 8:33:56 AM   
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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/6/2012 8:34:57 AM   
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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/6/2012 8:40:40 AM   
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We can have debates about what things government will provide assistance for and what it won't



That debate has not actually happened yet. It will begin soon though when economic reality begins to set in.

Why don't we go back through all of the tax returns of these conservatives and restrict their "handouts" to ONLY the portion of their taxes that are attributable to tornado disaster redistributive policy with interest. Guess what? That amount won't come close to covering their losses. Not even close. Any conservative who takes MORE than they've put into the system has no right to complain about the basic concept of redistribution. They didn't pay for all of it.


No one did, for any of it; it being the totality of government redistribution. That is the rooster coming home to roost. That will become the debate that needs to happen.

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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/6/2012 8:40:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I, for one, have never heard of any "Liberal Talk Show Host" named "Matt Malloy", so I decided to look him up via the Internet;

It turns out that Matt Malloy is either

Matt Molloy

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Matt Molloy was born in Co. Roscommon, into one of the long lines of flute players for which the area is famous. He learned flute and whistle from his father, was playing in the school fife and drum band at the age of eight and by eighteen had won first prize in the major traditional music competitions. He moved to Dublin in the early 1970's to work for the Irish national airline as an engineer. He started playing in the music scene where he first became acquainted with Paddy Moloney. Matt co-founded The Bothy Band with Donal Lunny, and they recorded four albums in as many years, all highly regarded to this day. In his own words: "We made great music and had a great time but financially we were a bit of a disaster. We had too much of a good time!"

Following the group's demise, Matt joined the reformed Planxty before finally becoming a member of The Chieftains in 1979. In addition to his group work, Matt has featured on many other albums and was featured soloist with the Irish Chamber Orchestra on the centrepiece of composer Micheal o Suilleabháin's album 'Oileán/Island'.


or

Matt Malloy

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Matt Malloy is an American character actor. He has had numerous roles in both film and TV often portraying the beleaguered everyman. Malloy's only starring role to date was alongside Aaron Eckhart in the critically acclaimed black comedy, In the Company of Men. He also notably guest-starred on 6 episodes of Six Feet Under in 2004 and 2005, and co-starred in the film The Stepford Wives with Nicole Kidman. He is also known for his one-shot role as Dr. Griffiths on Charmed, in an episode where one of the protagonists was killed.


So "Matt Malloy" either plays the flute or is a character actor...

I couldn't find any "Liberal Talk Show Host" or any "Talk Show Host" on the Internet by that name. However, it seems that the actor Matt Malloy also has contributed to the radio show This American Life - but he is not the host, Ira Glass is the host - and it is not a radio talk show.

What radio station is "Liberal Talk Show Host Matt Malloy" on?

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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/6/2012 8:42:11 AM   
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Libertarian........a republican who can`t bring himself to vote for republicans(pick a reason)but has found another way to waste their vote......


Not true at all. Libertarians are more closely aligned with old time democrats; the democrat of your great great great grandfather. The modern republican, of the neo-con sort which comprises the core, are anathema to libertarians.

Is that why Ron Paul is in the race for the Republican Nomination? If Obama had not been running and the race was for Dems too would he have been on the democrat ticket?
While I understand running as an Independent would not have got him THIS far... Is the only reason hes running in the repub race just political fuckery?
Apart from his policies on tornado victims and some of his constitution outlook..his healthcare and "abortion stance", he is the smartest out of the hugely poor choice in the race


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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/6/2012 8:49:24 AM   
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What radio station is "Liberal Talk Show Host Matt Malloy" on?


There is a Mike Malloy.


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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/6/2012 8:55:14 AM   
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Is that why Ron Paul is in the race for the Republican Nomination?



Just because he is currently registered repub does not make him one ideologically. Paul has run previously on the Libertarian ticket.

While I understand running as an Independent would not have got him THIS far

Can't accuse Paul of being stupid.


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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/6/2012 8:56:11 AM   
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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/6/2012 11:12:02 AM   
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What radio station is "Liberal Talk Show Host Matt Malloy" on?

There is a Mike Malloy.

I see - a link to something someone named Matt Malloy said in 2007

This info is more up-to-date:

Mike Malloy

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Mike Malloy is now self-syndicating his radio program. He is currently being heard in 13 markets across America including one satellite radio channel each on Sirius and XM Satellite Radio services. Direct listener support is enabled through the sale of podcast subscriptions via his website.


Probably why I've never heard of him - I don't own either a Sirius or XM Satellite radio and do not live in one of the 13 radio markets he's carried on. Clearly he's a small-timer, self syndicating and no advertisers, just subscribers.

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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/6/2012 6:34:20 PM   
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We can have debates about what things government will provide assistance for and what it won't



That debate has not actually happened yet. It will begin soon though when economic reality begins to set in.

Why don't we go back through all of the tax returns of these conservatives and restrict their "handouts" to ONLY the portion of their taxes that are attributable to tornado disaster redistributive policy with interest. Guess what? That amount won't come close to covering their losses. Not even close. Any conservative who takes MORE than they've put into the system has no right to complain about the basic concept of redistribution. They didn't pay for all of it.


No one did, for any of it; it being the totality of government redistribution. That is the rooster coming home to roost. That will become the debate that needs to happen.


You are missing the point. People who pay in and who BELIEVE that redistribution is a worthwhile goal, are entitled to be paid more than their fair share if they find themselves in a position where they need it. But why should people who pay in and who do NOT BELIEVE in redistribution get any more back than exactly what they paid in. I'm saying fine. I'll return the portion of their tax dollar that went to tornado relief. But why should they get more back than they paid if they don't believe in redistribution. Then they should be fine with not collecting more than they put in.


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RE: Liberal Talk Show Host Mocks Tornado Victims - 3/6/2012 7:01:22 PM   
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RE: Liberal Talk Show Host Mocks Tornado Victims - 3/6/2012 7:29:24 PM   
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I love the guy, his rants are so vehement, I expected him to have an aneurysm on air.

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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/6/2012 7:34:42 PM   
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Ya know.. its time everyone came out from the past and living with the Founding Fathers and joined the reality of the here and now.


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RE: Liberal Talk Show Host Mocks Tornado Victims - 3/6/2012 9:39:32 PM   
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If enough people were praying [God] would’ve intervened, you could pray, Jesus stilled the storm, you can still storms,” Robertson said on the show.

Robertson also blamed people for living in tornado-prone areas.

"Why did you build houses where tornadoes were apt to happen?” he asked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rSp7fzgCuqI


Man, this is a strange night. I sided with servant on a another thread, and now I find Pat Robertson (partially) talking sense.

*checks brow for fever*

I think Robertson is right in saying--a bit surprisingly to me, but then I don't really follow him--that tornadoes and hurricanes and the like are natural disasters rather than "acts of God."

And while it may be cold to say in the wake of tragedy, it is indeed true that living in disaster-prone areas increases one's risk of an unhappy ending.

I do balk at his notion that the tornado victims were somehow at fault for not praying enough. It's hard for me to believe in, much less worship, a God who says, "Sorry folks, you're two Our Fathers short." Then again, my sense of prayer is pretty murky overall.

Maybe it's time for another stab at sleep.


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