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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 8:20:17 AM   
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Bullshit Rich.. the disconnect is in your first three sentences, your useage against Ken is laughable, ..
guess what it had fuck all to do with me dissing reagan, once again you dont get it.But carry on with your own little fantasy story.
Opinions and situations differ but Im definitely not discussing the fuck up that was Reagan just to prove a point.




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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 8:25:51 AM   
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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 8:27:03 AM   
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The UK show isn't exactly smooth as silk either.

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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 8:29:39 AM   
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Hey guys can we cool it with the inflammatory post titles here? President Reagan brought this country together and whatever has gone wrong since he left office if we can find a way to come together as a unified America rather than tearing apart into little splinter groups then I believe we can become competitive in the global marketplace again. I don't know enough about either Romney or Santorum yet to know which man I trust more, but I think everyone can agree it's time we have someone in the White House who can unite us again as one proud country.

Becoming united politically is a two-way street. Not only was Reagan an abstract as a politician but after [they] shot him...he completely changed. Don't think it was his plan but in any case for Reagan to make a difference, HAD to have a democratic congress go along with him. Repeating...GO ALONG with him. He did.

Obama has a minority republican party in the senate not only declaring their intention of trying to make him a one-term pres. but is empowered with 41 votes to filibuster every democratic effort that might help the economy...in fulfilling that effort.

In the end, Reagan was all rhetoric as he raised taxes 11 times, tripled the soc. sec. (payroll tax) in the 83 'reform, then failed to veto the squandering of the over payments to help cover [his] deficit spending. All he did was give cover for repubs to call themselves small govt., fiscal conservatives while being big, govt., deficit spenders.

Politically uniting the country now in many minds, would be...never voting republican again. They have no clothes. For example, the aledged uncompetitiveness of America is a ruse. There exists no greater profit center then virtual slave (oppressed) labor and the US labor force will not be slaves. Slaves have jobs...doesn't do them any good.

So we will never be 'competitive' on that level, they just want more greed satisfied just as in the repatriation of profits is a ruse to get a further discount on their taxes.

There is nothing the corporation or the capitalist-investor class does anywhere...that serves society. They serve only themselves, management and often defraud their own investors.

Much has gone wrong in this country...because Reagan was elected. Oh, and do not even go into how Reagan 'won the cold war.' We've had more than enough of that ridiculousness.

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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 8:29:43 AM   
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Bullshit Rich.. the disconnect is in your first three sentences





These first three sentences, Lucy?

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Oh look! Ken is applying the latest and greatest new liberal code phrase retroactively (we have always been at war with Eastasia, dontcha know).

"Dog whistling," for those who don't get the talking points emails, or try to stay abreast of the great liberal slur machine, means, "we can't put our finger on anything that is specifically offensive, but we don't like the sound of it, or that it might resonate with people, and will respond by calling it racist anyway."

It's a bit like that "new racism" they invented a little while back, where people who bought into the Hope and Change promises, but have decided they were sold a bill of goods, are now racists, because they have changed their minds about supporting Obama for another round.


Now I did throw in a reference to thought controlling authoritarianism, but that's an ongoing topic with Ken. Otherwise, Google away on the phrase he used. I think I have the "new racism" piece bookmarked, if you need it, too.

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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 8:38:48 AM   
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you really are in a fog today arent you... look closely for that mote in thine eye.
Done and out.. Ive wasted enough time on the hilarity and dishonest rhetoric you seem to be employing lately.
have a great day

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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 8:43:36 AM   
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have a great day



Planning on it, thanks.

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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 9:11:44 AM   
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Reagan was eternally dividing the country with his race and class dog whistles.




Oh look! Ken is applying the latest and greatest new liberal code phrase retroactively (we have always been at war with Eastasia, dontcha know).

"Dog whistling," for those who don't get the talking points emails, or try to stay abreast of the great liberal slur machine, means, "we can't put our finger on anything that is specifically offensive, but we don't like the sound of it, or that it might resonate with people, and will respond by calling it racist anyway."

It's a bit like that "new racism" they invented a little while back, where people who bought into the Hope and Change promises, but have decided they were sold a bill of goods, are now racists, because they have changed their minds about supporting Obama for another round.

Yep. It was all just the hidden messages that gave Reagan his stunning landslide re-election. A booming economy, and a groundswell of national pride and optimism had nothing to do with it.

Bullshit.

Let's begin with his famous speech about "welfare queens." The underlying story never mentioned if the woman owned a car or what model it was if she did. But reagan's speechwriters, with his approval obviously, made sure to make it a cadillac.


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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 9:13:51 AM   
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It's a bit like that "new racism" they invented a little while back, where people who bought into the Hope and Change promises, but have decided they were sold a bill of goods, are now racists, because they have changed their minds about supporting Obama for another round.



Have you been writing fiction long?


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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 9:18:52 AM   
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It's a bit like that "new racism" they invented a little while back, where people who bought into the Hope and Change promises, but have decided they were sold a bill of goods, are now racists, because they have changed their minds about supporting Obama for another round.



Have you been writing fiction long?





I just watch the libs, and report the facts, Muse. I'm guessing you missed this piece?

http://www.thenation.com/article/163544/black-president-double-standard-why-white-liberals-are-abandoning-obama

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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 9:22:16 AM   
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Read JVP's profile-he's doing a pretty damn fine Patrick Bateman impersonation.
The Wall Street/Reagan comments are part of the masque.


Cool - thanks for the new author tip. First library I checked had 5 novels available, but not, alas, American Psycho.

Ever read any Mark Helprin?
If not, check him out-especially his first three novels or so

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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 9:22:18 AM   
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Did you READ that, Rich? It's entirely an opinion piece, with no support whatsoever for your claim.

I see where you learned to write fiction.

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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 9:37:13 AM   
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Yes, I did read it, Muse. Did you?

I'll also refer you to the author's follow-up piece.

http://news.yahoo.com/epistemology-race-talk-144613972.html

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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 9:54:51 AM   
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The follow-up is even worse--she admits she made it up.


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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 9:59:26 AM   
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Rather than the trash talk back and forth people should realize there is a real division in thinking in America. The right is not a few tea party religious fanatics but an equal conservative force of millions opposed to the left leaning liberal viewpoint.

These people are just as compassionate and charitable as any but have a different idea on how America should be run. What good does it do to make fun of them and reject their ideas out of hand?

This is not a we against them... it is a how can we work together for a better us. If we are to succeed there must be compromises on both sides. I see nothing wrong with giving to receive and will vote for those that I believe have my interests at heart not their party.

I hope that one day a leader will come along with the courage and political savvy to put America first above his or her party and the political party he is affiliated with will benefit as well as America.

All this fanatic rhetoric on both sides seems infantile and sickens me…am I alone?

Butch

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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 10:12:55 AM   
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Are white liberals abandoning the president?

A Nation writer worries that an "insidious form of racism" explains their criticism of Obama. I don't see evidence

...Perry doesn’t mention any white liberals by name, nor cite polls showing a decline in support for President Obama among white liberals (as opposed to white voters generally, where his approval rating has dropped sharply). But her piece touched a nerve because of the widespread perception that white liberals are, in fact, abandoning the president.

I’m not sure how to argue with a perception, which is by definition subjective, but I’m going to try, because this is becoming a prevalent and divisive belief. When I say Melissa Harris-Perry is my friend, I don’t say that rhetorically, or ironically; we are professional friends, we have socialized together; she has included me on political round tables; I like and respect her enormously. That’s why I think it’s important to engage her argument, and I’ve invited her to reply.

I couldn’t find any polls measuring “white liberal” support for President Obama, but it’s safe to say many white liberals are disappointed in the president. I think Harris-Perry is wrong when she generalizes about two things: that white liberal disappointment is due to “the tendency of white liberals to hold African-American leaders to a higher standard than their white counterparts” (which she calls “a more insidious form of racism”), and that it’s likely to lead to white liberals “abandoning” Obama in 2012.

In the absence of poll data on white liberal attitudes toward the president, Harris-Perry compares Obama’s current approval-rating woes to the resounding reelection of President Bill Clinton in 1996. Despite Clinton’s failure to pass healthcare reform, a signature Obama achievement, as well as his not so liberal record on NAFTA, “don’t ask, don’t tell” and welfare reform, she says, white liberals stuck with Clinton, yet they are threatening to ditch Obama. She concludes: “If old-fashioned electoral racism is the absolute unwillingness to vote for a black candidate, then liberal electoral racism is the willingness to abandon a black candidate when he is just as competent as his white predecessors.”

But her Clinton-Obama comparison, while provocative and sometimes interesting, has a lot of practical problems.

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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 10:18:57 AM   
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The follow-up is even worse--she admits she made it up.





Isn't that what normally happens, when some new avenue of discussion or inquiry gets opened up?

Considering that I brought this up in response to Ken's comment about "dog whistling," what's your problem, here?

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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 10:32:22 AM   
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You are presenting as fact an unsupported opinion.

The discussion is necessarily short--it's a non-starter.

"I believe purple aliens are controlling the Coast Guard!" -- that's not going to get far without a case and evidence to support it. Even flimsy evidence.

You have none.

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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 10:33:27 AM   
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Isn't that what normally happens


No.

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RE: What do you expect from a bunch of mouth-breathers? - 3/11/2012 10:45:58 AM   
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Kali, as a "white liberal" I disagreed with Harris-Perry when she made that assumption. I don't think white liberals will abandon Obama at election time, especially given the alternative. Many of us are angered and disappointed, yes. In the health care debates, Obama wouldn't even debate a public option, let alone Medicare for All. We saw this as "giving up the store". He signed NDAA, and though Obama assures us that he will never use the powers therein, it sets a precedent. He failed to close to close Gitmo and has continued far too many of Bush's other insidious policies.

Are white liberals disappointed that Obama has failed to carry out many of the things, even debate many of the things, he was elected to do...Hell Yeah!!

Is it racism that we are disappointed? Hell NO!! We'd be just as disappointed if Obama were white.


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