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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/3/2006 10:27:17 AM   
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Stalking is the things ladyse to turn us guys on!!! lol, ok, joke aside, stalking is any unwanted attention from someone. If they are asked to leave you along, and still presist, than I think it goes beyond stalking!!!!

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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/3/2006 12:40:20 PM   
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i define "stalking" by the pertinent state or federal statues and case law.  It is a crime.  Either the conduct rises to the statutory definition of a crime, or it does not.  Since i am not a legislator, my opinon on what should be criminalized behavior is really not relevant.
 
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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/3/2006 7:10:26 PM   
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I define *real* stalking as the stuff that happens in realtime.  The way obsessed fans follow a movie star for example.  Or lets say, someone watches you pull out of your drive way and follows you to the store, calls your phone, sits across the street from your home and watches you...Stuff like that.  I would take something like that very seriously, and probably file a police report and get legal advice on how to deal with it. 
 
As far as cyber and online stalking,   I know it seems very real to some people, but I think the term stalking has been used entirely too loosely around here (on the internet).  I personally would not fear someone emailing me.  I would just as soon block their mails and block their IMs.  And while Im no expert in psychology, life experiences have taught me that threats are usually a tool a person uses when they feel defeated and frustrated with the fact that they are powerless.  I think alot of scorned lovers "stalk" and make threats via email because they feel powerless and hurt.  If a person really had plans on hurting someone, they be downright stupid to warn them first.  I think when people do this online stalking thing that everyone talks about, it gives the 'stalker' exactly what they want...attention from their subject.  I would not consider this dangerous.

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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/3/2006 7:31:23 PM   
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With all due respect, cyber-stalking is just as "real" as physical stalking, if not as dangerous.  If you prefer the term "harassment" instead of stalking, that's fine.  That's a crime, too, and the laws have started to change to acknowledge that cyber-harassment is no different than the more usual sort.  But given that approximately 70% of all stalkers move on eventually to violent contact or even death, I'll continue treating my cyber-stalker as a "real" stalker.

Because I have a cyber-stalker, my definition of stalking is "Any unwanted attention or contact not sanctioned by law that persists after you request them to cease and desist, usually coupled with an obsessive desire to learn your whereabouts and obtain private information which may also include an organized plan to spread disinformation about you or their relationship with you."

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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/3/2006 7:33:35 PM   
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If a dom keeps emailing me against my wishes that is cyber stalking and not hard to understand. I only want to find other female subs for my Master. If anyone can't understand that and keeps coming after me with mail, they are stupid and a stalker.

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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/3/2006 7:35:24 PM   
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You have a stalker? Funny,

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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/3/2006 8:04:00 PM   
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You have a stalker? Funny,



How is it funny?

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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/3/2006 8:21:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TeacherNStudent

With all due respect, cyber-stalking is just as "real" as physical stalking, if not as dangerous.  If you prefer the term "harassment" instead of stalking, that's fine.  That's a crime, too, and the laws have started to change to acknowledge that cyber-harassment is no different than the more usual sort.  But given that approximately 70% of all stalkers move on eventually to violent contact or even death, I'll continue treating my cyber-stalker as a "real" stalker.

Because I have a cyber-stalker, my definition of stalking is "Any unwanted attention or contact not sanctioned by law that persists after you request them to cease and desist, usually coupled with an obsessive desire to learn your whereabouts and obtain private information which may also include an organized plan to spread disinformation about you or their relationship with you."



I think its about the intent behind the "harassment".  I dont advocate harassment of any form, but again...why not simply block the person?  Then they cant contact you,  scare you, talk to you, or mindfuck you in any way. We cant do that in real life,  but the all the internet services offer  features that allow you to simply block the persons ability to reach you via your computer.

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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/3/2006 8:48:58 PM   
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Even posting a note at a college bulletin board for a roommate can attach a stalker, as I found out years ago when I lived in California.

I got phone calls describing where I went that day, and describing some of the people I was talking with, and/or some of the things I was seen doing at work that day.  I had two jobs, and one was working in a group home from Friday at 4 p.m. through Monday afternoon; I came back home on Monday after grocery shopping very tired, would put away stuff, and go to bed..  I think he was waiting for me in my walk in closet one time, or in the shower stall, and came out after I had gone to bed.  Enough said.

He called me daily for months, asking if I was pregnant...he was drunk or high most of the time, if not every time.  Told me his brother told him that he was trash, and only a good strong woman could save him.  That women always fight, but once they're pregnant, they go along with anything.  Is it clear that I didn't know the man?  I gave one interview and one follow up call to not accept him for a roommate.  It was unfortunate for me that he had been watching me at my other job, at a movie theater, where I was a supervisor, and was drawn to my strength.  The man saw me as a walking meal ticket that would be his if one of his rapes could only get me pregnant.  What an incredible mindset. 

I called the police often, but nobody came.  I guess it was written down and filed away.  There were no anti-stalking laws at that time.  When I showed up at my girlfriend's home battered and crying, she made me call the police.  My face wasn't marked, btw.  Male officers came, no females, I was in my apartment ALONE with a policeman standing less than 2 feet from me and he was bothered with me over my eyes being at his shoes, unable to look him in the face the entire time.  I was in a dissociative state.  I was 22 1/2 years old, and got a lecture about not being on birth control, and that I should never live on my own, but should have kept living with my parents until I got married and left home.  I was too deep in shock to tell him that I was married but separated.

The stalker was outside talking to the other officer.  He was drunk and high, and I could hear him telling the other one that he was my boyfriend and he lived with me.  As proof of his living with me, he said his stuff was in the other bedroom in my apartment.  The policeman went in and found a single dufflebag tossed into the otherwise empty closet.  They removed it and told him to leave me alone until I had cooled off.

Half an hour later, around 2 a.m., he was bashing at my door bellowing and screaming, calling me bitch and that he was going to rape me again.  (Nobody ever thought to ask anyone in any of the other 7 units, now I see that he had incriminated himself.  I was unable to think about it.)  I piled up my furniture in front of my door and called 911.  I was on the phone with my girlfriend, crying while he screamed profanities and two hours later the police still had not come.  I phoned again, and the dispatch said that there had been a shift change, and that this was a domestic dispute and did I still need the police?  I held the phone to the door so she could hear.  I think he heard me talking to the police that time because when they came, he wasn't there. 

I wasn't allowed to change the lock on my door, and he didn't have any key, but sometimes I'd come into my place and just FEEL things were different, and I'd run.  My friends would come back with me to make sure my closets and shower stall were empty.  This went on for about 6 months.

He never got into trouble.  I had to move.

Stalking is some very serious business.  I'm glad I'm not dead or worse. 

I've been mildly stalked online, but nobody has shown up at my door or phoned or anything.  If someone makes up dozens of profiles and I keep recognizing them for who they really are, it hasn't been a bigger problem than I can handle so far. 

I don't have a drop of computer geekiness in my blood, so if someone knows how to monkey with my computer out of revenge, I'll have to give up and go back to reading books instead.

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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/3/2006 10:30:48 PM   
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quote:

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I had an "internet" stalker who contacted me with full details of my son's name, and what elementary school he attended, right down to the teacher's name.
 
turns out he was a cop who couldn't take no for an answer...


Yes but his superiors usually are willing to show him the error of his ways. Now with amber alerts and columbine what you describe above would be a seperate crime against the wee one.  Most cops don't look highly on those that must bully women and threaten innocent wee ones. What they do to "fix" such things internally make a week in the dungeon sound really really good.

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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/3/2006 11:16:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: marieToo
I think its about the intent behind the "harassment".  I dont advocate harassment of any form, but again...why not simply block the person?  Then they cant contact you,  scare you, talk to you, or mindfuck you in any way. We cant do that in real life,  but the all the internet services offer  features that allow you to simply block the persons ability to reach you via your computer.


Doubtless good advice, when implementible.  How do I stop him from harassing or vandalizing the Wikipedia entries I make on our fan film?  The bulletin boards I frequent?  On IMDB, where we have an entry for our fan film, I can at least block him from my view, but then I see quotes of his vilifications in other people's posts as they reply to him.  And IMDB entries can be modified somewhat by anyone.  If the moderators don't realize that an entry to our fan film article is fraudulent, they're inclined to let it pass.  He adds links from our entry to his own site, where he publishes the "truth" about me and my friends.  A highly fictionalized "truth", need I add?

At least he no longer emails me directly, once he found out that harassing me through my emails IS a chargeable offense under both California and Federal law.  But until he learned that . . .

Cynthiamarie, I grieve for you.  Your situation shows exactly how the system can break down and fail those who need it most.

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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/3/2006 11:32:46 PM   
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Better question is how does one take action against the stalker. without bringing negitive attention to themselves?

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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/3/2006 11:36:51 PM   
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I resolve to call her up a thousand times a day
And ask her if she’ll marry me in some old fashioned way
But my silent fears have gripped me
Long before I reach the phone
Long before my tongue has tripped me                  -police

That I would be locked up for harrasment
then forced to serve someone elses bone,
er to always be alone,
or always wish to be alone
you get the picture
 
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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/3/2006 11:37:41 PM   
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As someone that has been stalked online now for almost a year I can tell you that online stalking is just as real and scary as offline stalking...the "master" that is stalking me changes names and locations to message me...he tells me where I work...where I have been...who I have talked to..both online and at work....I have never met this man...I have no idea what he looks like...he on the other hand knows what I look like because I used to have a picture on here....I didnt give my address home or work to this man but he knows both...which is difficult since my home address was changed and isnt posted online anywhere nor in the phone book if he somehow got my name (which I also didnt give him) he contacts my friends online and offline calling them or messaging them stating he is worried about me because he hasnt heard from me...(could be because everytime I figure out the person is him I do block him) they know to not give him any information about me but he still gets some information...he has found out my phone number and it has been changed twice...so yes it does scare me and I do consider it real stalking since he somehow has found out where I live and work....though to most of you I know blocking and forgetting about someone is what you should do it doesnt always work....Most told me when it started "give him a month and he will be on to someone else" well that was almost a year ago and I received 3 messages from him today from different names so guess what???? he hasnt moved on yet...or maybe he is a good stalker and can stalk more than one at a time

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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/3/2006 11:58:56 PM   
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Livinandlearnin I wish you luck. That creep must know you somehow from a distance in your personal life to be keeping up with you. If he does know you he is getting his jollies in a sick way by keeping you on edge. You can only hope he does something stupid unrelated, and ends up in prison for the next 30 years.

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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/4/2006 12:29:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressSophia

Better question is how does one take action against the stalker. without bringing negitive attention to themselves?


I have yet to find a LEGAL way to stop him.  This has gone on for more than six years. I can only hope that he does something that is actionable, or that the current laws continue to change until what he's been doing all along becomes actionable.

I also intend to hire a lawyer and see if it is practical to file suit for libel.  With all that copious cash I get from Social Security Disability.



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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/4/2006 12:57:29 AM   
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basicly it's just an agressive and undesiredor unsolicited attentionWith bravadro. Perhaps some of us WANT to be stalked... perhaps not.

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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/4/2006 12:59:03 AM   
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why am i listed as vanilla?

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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/4/2006 1:11:00 AM   
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why am i listed as vanilla?



it'll change as you post more....

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RE: How do you define stalking? - 6/4/2006 1:15:28 AM   
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Whenever I personally have been harassed, I have delt with it head on- like "What are you doing???" "What do you think you are going to get out of this???" just hit him in the gut! and see what happens!!

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