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Hillwilliam -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/12/2012 10:28:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SadistDave


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Do you believe those sites? The most trustworthy one of the bunch, FOX, has a well-earned reputation for prevarication.


Since it has the actual video of the interview with Maher about his donation, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it's probably a pretty accurate story.

-SD-


That would make it in the 'probable' pile. Those sites don't have a great reputation for anything resembling facts.



SadistDave -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/12/2012 10:39:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

That would make it in the 'probable' pile. Those sites don't have a great reputation for anything resembling facts.


Bill Maher himself is explaining to a host that he gave a check for a million dollars and why he did it. The interview was on MSNBC.

At one point he states that it's because Republicans scare him. At another point he says “I was trying to throw a snowball to create an avalanche here to let the liberals who do think that this is already in the bag – probably because, like me, they watch ‘Hardball’ every night and they see what idiots these Republicans are – but that’s not how the whole country sees it...”

According to Bill Maher himself, he gave $1million dollars to an Obama superPAC because even he has doubts about Obama's ability to slide back into the White House on another easy victory.

Maher may pass himself off as a comedian, but he has some very astute political observations.

-SD-




Hillwilliam -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/12/2012 10:45:17 PM)

If the R side hadn't been so determined to present to us a collection of veritable fuckwits and assclowns for our voting pleasure, I'd say that our "hopey changey' years are soon to be over. As it is, I'd look for 4 more years of VERY slow recovery blocked at every turn by the 'opposition party'.



BitaTruble -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/12/2012 10:53:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

No. That's not it. Obama can't run on his record.


He won't need to if the GOP throws women under the bus with all this abortion, contraception and slut business going on.

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He can't win by a landslide this time.


You don't need to win by a landslide.. just by one.

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He blasted Bush for a number of things that he is still claiming to this day are keeping him from doing his job, but look at the conservative perception of Obamas record.


Obamas has been the best conservative in office since Uncle Ronny.

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Obama has continued every major Bush Jr. policy from foreign affairs to taxes cuts but in a watered down version that renders them useless.


I disagree.. but not that much. Bush was spend, spend, spend and Obama has been the same.

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He endlessly apologises for his country being successful to foreign dignitries,


No need to reach when there are other facts out there. Obama has not endlessly apologized for the USA being successful. We ain't that successful right now after all.

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He has reduced employment overall with very few real gains.


No, that's not part of the Presidents job actually. He has not reduced nor really had anything to do with employment or real number gains or losses. I'd look a lot more at folks like the Koch's who are speculating and rising oil prices than presidential influence.


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Gas is almost double what it was when he took office.


Again, look to the speculators, not the office of POTUS.

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His energy policies have failed on every front from Solyndra to KeyStone to florescent light bulbs.


Bush signed the lightbulbs thing into law in 2007.. neither here nor there though. The president does not have the influence on energy you may think he has. POTUS role is limited in that regard. When he opened up drilling last time, gas only went down by about 10 cents a gal.

He makes mistakes on that front but can't really put the finger to him for simply offering a prize for a more efficient energy source. Over time, the math can't be denied.. those lights will save money in the long run. The problem is that lots of folks are living paycheck to paycheck and just can't afford such a costly initial outlay for a long term monetary gain.

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Even the media is beginning to grudgingly admit that he might be in for a fight this election cycle because he has been an utter failure on every level.


I listen, but for the most part take media with a grain of salt. I'm one of those weird chicks who go in and read bills and case law for most of my information (or just for fun.. but I do math problems for fun too) .. not on what people 'say' they are doing.. but how they are actually voting.

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Taxes may very well be higher on the middle class, which will be a hard sell when people actually realize that the Republicans only control 1 branch of government...


Himself and I pay more in taxes than anyone else I personally know and my taxes are pretty much the same as when Obama took office. I can't speak to what anyone else is really paying. I'm not privy to that information on a personal level.

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Cars are more expensive because of Cash for Clunkers
Homes are losing value still after 3 years...
Guantanamo is still open in spite of his pledge to close it in the first year.
For the first time in history the U.S. has been given less than the highest rating by S&P.


I don't know anything about Cash for Clunkers. Himself just bought a new car and it seemed fairly reasonable on price and it gets great gas mileage. Our old car wasn't a clunker and we got a fair price for it.

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Things are clearly not better after 3 years of Obama. Many poor and middle class families no longer have the audacity to hope for change (Matt Damon said that I believe)


I disagree with Mr. Damon.. there is always hope. I am not sure I will still believe that after the next election cycle since my guy quit but we'll see. I'm still hopeful for a brokered convention. I don't think there will be a better opportunity in my lifetime to see that sort of history taking place.

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Obamacare has some serious issues and has been challenged all the way to the Supreme Court. That's normal, but the reaction to it by the Bamsters administration is not normal...


Indeed and any part/s which are unconstitutional will be weeded out and discarded if the SCOTUS does it's job. I'm really not worried on that regard. I am MUCH more disappointed that the Patriot Act was not immediately struck down upon his swearing in.

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Regardless, liberals will support him on that until they realize how it will ultimately effect them.


That won't happen and if it does, it will be after the election when he's a lame duck anyway.

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He DID kill Osama Bin Laden, and thats in his favor,


That's what I heard. I don't know if I particulary buy it or not though.

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but all he did was carry out the exact plan Bush laid out.


I have to disagree with this.. Bush made it quite clear that OBL was no longer part of his agenda. I, personally, think one of his wives turned him in but have no evidence to that at all. Its just my gut feeling.

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It is easier for Obama to lose than it is to win.


It's always easier to lose than to win! It's much easier for Romney, Gingrich and the rest to lose than win.. cheaper too. Doesn't seem to have much to do with the issues at hand though.

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He will do okay as long as he can manage to keep his past under wraps to fool his base again.


He probably can sit back and let the right implode as they lose voters like me because of the abortion, contraception thing. Deal breaker and one I don't think Huntsman would have engaged in if he had just had some staying power and waited for his star to rise a little.


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It's an election the Republicans can lose too though. They will probably manage to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory though, unless they get their shit together.


They can't win without the female vote.. and they aren't going to get the female vote if some things aren't changed in regard to their approach regarding women's issues.

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Obama is struggling to keep his base. The Republicans are struggling to get one.


Agree with both those statements... getting a base is harder than keeping one though, so that's a plus for Obama.

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The reality is that if Obama can't get the voters out like he did in the last election, he's sunk.


You have to be honest though.. the GOP is facing that exact same issue except it seems that they are going about things in a very haphazard way by alienating the female voting block. I mean if a die-hard, card carrying member of the NRA like me has issues with the GOP, I can't imagine that other middle of the road left leaning women are going to be giving the GOP much in the way of support.

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I think it will be easier for the conservatives to get their people angry enough to vote than it will be for Obama to convince his base that he deserves a second term.

-SD-

You know who is angry? Women .. and it's a really bad idea of the GOP to piss off women and doing so is done at their own peril.

Too many bills right now that harken back to a time when females were like children.. seen but not heard, no voice, no say. I don't believe women as a group are prepared for a return to earlier days where we pretty much didn't count.




SternSkipper -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/12/2012 11:07:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Do you believe those sites? The most trustworthy one of the bunch, FOX, has a well-earned reputation for prevarication.



Since it has the actual video of the interview with Maher about his donation, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it's probably a pretty accurate story.

-SD-



That would make it in the 'probable' pile. Those sites don't have a great reputation for anything resembling facts.


I agree .... People should use LEGITIMATE Sources ... Course then they might be faced with the ACTUAL LEGITIMATE CIRCUMSTANCES UNFOLDING IN POLITICS TODAY

But then all their bullshit specious pseudo-intellectual posing might be out the fucking window[8D]



SadistDave -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/13/2012 12:00:25 AM)

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BitaTruble


Clearly you have put a little thought into all that. I suspect that liberals have, and will continue to overvalue these narratives that you have come to accept as read, while continuing to ignore or underestimate the other factors.

I am more than happy to let you believe whatever you want to believe.

-SD-



DaddySatyr -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/13/2012 12:02:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

And while all of this is going on, Michelle Obama will be a guest on the Bill Maher show. Hypocracy at it's best.


Maybe it's just my sick, twisted humor but, would it be funny if Maher introduced her as:

"A lady that needs no introduction ... married to the Commander-in-Chief, the first c*nt, Michelle Obama!"

Somehow, I doubt the PPLs would find that as "funny".



Peace and comfort,



Michael



erieangel -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/13/2012 12:27:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Since Maher's PAC just gave Obama 1 million dollars, anything he says is ok.



Maher's PAC didn't give Obama any money because Maher doesn't have a PAC. Maher gave the PAC that supports Obama 1 Million dollars. Get your facts straight.



DaddySatyr -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/13/2012 12:40:50 AM)

I'm going to do this. I wasn't going to but, here I go:

In my opinion, one of the reasons Bill Maher is "wrapping himself" in the cloak of being a comedian is because that's what he is ... well, was.

The fact that his mean-spirited brand of comedy resonates with a certain portion of the liberal left is not his "fault". Like goes to like. More troubling to me is that on the left, he's seen as "mainstream". That says a lot (to me) about where the democrats are in the fight against their own demons (radicalism).

Having said that, since his use of the word "cunt" describing Governor Palin came during a performance of his stand-up routine, I'm willing to give him a pass on that one.

However his HBO endeavor is nothing more than a vehicle for advancing the cause of the DNC. Now, I don't fault the DNC for that. I'm sure they do nothing to encourage Maher's behavior. In my view, all the more reason that they should have made some kind of denouncement of the "speaking of dumb twats ..." comment. That they didn't, again, speaks volumes; not only about the radical take-over of the DNC but of their standards and their lack of caring how they are perceived.

Maher is a dangerous man. he's a person who is full of contempt and hatred for a portion of Americans (about 50 million strong) and he's been "annointed" by not only the PPLs on the liberal side of the aisle but by the DNC (and FCC and current occupant of the Oval office). I rarely wish harm on anyone and I wish no harm on Mr. Maher but, I'll be shedding no tears, as I read his obituary.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



DaddySatyr -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/13/2012 12:49:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: erieangel


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Since Maher's PAC just gave Obama 1 million dollars, anything he says is ok.



Maher's PAC didn't give Obama any money because Maher doesn't have a PAC. Maher gave the PAC that supports Obama 1 Million dollars. Get your facts straight.


Yeah, maher doesn't have a PAC he is a PAC, based on the influence he wields.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



LaTigresse -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/13/2012 4:28:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

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BitaTruble




I am more than happy to let you believe whatever you want to believe.

-SD-



Stand up comedy really isn't your forte'.

I know you are new and ignorant so I will enlighten you. Bita has proven to be one of the most well informed posters on the forums. Even if I did not ever agree with her, I would never ever consider her words to not be well researched and thought out prior to her posting them.

Some of Bita's links and posts helped me a great deal in 2008, when I was trying to make my decisions.



Iamsemisweet -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/13/2012 6:02:16 AM)

Maybe the DNC doesn't denounce him because they don't think he is important enough to bother with.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


However his HBO endeavor is nothing more than a vehicle for advancing the cause of the DNC. Now, I don't fault the DNC for that. I'm sure they do nothing to encourage Maher's behavior. In my view, all the more reason that they should have made some kind of denouncement of the "speaking of dumb twats ..." comment. That they didn't, again, speaks volumes; not only about the radical take-over of the DNC but of their standards and their lack of caring how they are perceived.

Maher is a dangerous man. he's a person who is full of contempt and hatred for a portion of Americans (about 50 million strong) and he's been "annointed" by not only the PPLs on the liberal side of the aisle but by the DNC (and FCC and current occupant of the Oval office). I rarely wish harm on anyone and I wish no harm on Mr. Maher but, I'll be shedding no tears, as I read his obituary.



Peace and comfort,



Michael[/color]



Hillwilliam -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/13/2012 6:14:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: erieangel


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Since Maher's PAC just gave Obama 1 million dollars, anything he says is ok.



Maher's PAC didn't give Obama any money because Maher doesn't have a PAC. Maher gave the PAC that supports Obama 1 Million dollars. Get your facts straight.


Yeah, maher doesn't have a PAC he is a PAC, based on the influence he wields.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

The most recent info I could find has Maher with about 1 million viewers.

Last friday, Robot Chicken had 1.9 Million and Diners, Driveins and Dives had 1.2 million viewers.

I think his status as "His own PAC" is vastly overstated. Rush claims 20-30 million. What would that make him?



SternSkipper -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/13/2012 6:19:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: erieangel


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Since Maher's PAC just gave Obama 1 million dollars, anything he says is ok.


Maher's PAC didn't give Obama any money because Maher doesn't have a PAC. Maher gave the PAC that supports Obama 1 Million dollars. Get your facts straight.

Yeah, maher doesn't have a PAC he is a PAC, based on the influence he wields.

Peace and comfort,

Michael



Hey, I can't help but be mystified that you guys are SO concerned with Maher, who's gonna leverage this million bucks for basically NOTHING of any consequence. And yet you're what? Completely unaware about the campaign financing exploits of Sheldon Adelson, who wants to dump 100,000.000 into the presidential campaign. And he's involved in anti-labor practices to a point where he's involved in disputes here and overseas where he has interfered with collective bargaining and fair labor practices... never mind the shit this guy is getting into in china....None of that raises an eyebrow with ya? Really?



DaddySatyr -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/13/2012 8:01:05 AM)

Maher on the difference between him and Rush

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Maher, during his monologue

“I sometimes called Sarah Palin a bad name.” Chuckling to himself, he noted, “I don’t have sponsors, I’m on HBO.”



I posted that for a reason...

Maher's "ratings" are irrelevant because he works on the "flagship" station of cable TV. I did a fairly exhaustive search to find his ratings and was unsuccessful because, frankly, they don't matter. While HBO takes some notice, certainly, there are no third-parties that, quite frankly, drive commercial television and radio.

It's as fair, using Rush's ego-driven quotes as a basis for ratings as me, using Maher's. However, I'm a decent guy so:

Arbitron does not do national ratings. The closest anyone has ever come to doing so is one publication, "Talkers' Magazine". It's a very difficult thing to do since one would have to analyze Arbitron ratings from over 4,000 (talk Radio)stations.

However, Talkers' Magazine does and they estimate that Rush has 15 million listeners.

Media Matters, that bastion of right-wing support says:

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ORIGINAL: Media Matters spokesperson

"...common industry shorthand to determine the actual size of a radio audience at any given moment is to cut the cume figure down by a factor of 10, which would mean Limbaugh's 20 million becomes 2 million. Or, if you take the more modest cume number of 14 million, which some inside the industry have used to judge the talker's audience, Limbaugh's rating becomes 1.4 million, which is roughly the same size audience that Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann get each night on cable TV.

Read more: Numbers may be smaller than you think



So, the madcow and the ombudsman do roughly the same as Limbaugh.

Now, radio is different than TV in that radio listenership primarily consists of people in a car who are going somewhere and going to be getting out of the car. If they're in their car and headed for home, chances are they'll be turning on the TV, when they get there. Now, we have a horse race.

TV viewership is vastly different in that, especially in the evenings (prime time), people are "settled in". The dinner dishes are finished, they're in comfortable clothes and not planning on going anywhere. One could make the statement that Maher's viewers are paying more attention to him than Rush's listeners are paying attention to Limbaugh.

When you factor in that "prime time" in radio listenership happens to be drive-time in most places, you'll see how the numbers can be skewed. Rush rarely appears in drive-time in any market as his time slot is noon-three Eastern time. That makes even live broadcasts on the West coast start right around the time rush hour is over (9 AM)

Either way to deny that either of them has any influence over their listeners would be silly.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



mnottertail -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/13/2012 8:09:52 AM)

Yeah, very fucking silly that there is any influence by these people, thats why some 50% of the posts here either quote or castigate what these guys say, and they splash the papers and political figures to fucking busy commenting and supporting or flaying them to fix the fuckin economy are headlining the news.

Yeah, nice bit of theoretical logic, real tour de force.  Now, if we only ignore the actual experiences around us we could say its an idea whose time has come, due diligence and all that, but it is an idea that is certainly ready for youtube.  



Edwynn -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/13/2012 10:37:08 AM)


It's obvious that some people are much more affected by Maddow or Maher, lacking perceptive ability to see that they present two very different things, than liberals are actually influenced by either one. From the little I've seen, Maher uses the nearly inexhaustible source of non-facts and blatant falsehoods and incoherency of the further extended rightward public figures as basis for his comedy, whereas Maddow is concerned with setting the record straight to counter the various and abundant flights of dementia from this same group, and bring to attention the numerous areas of concern regarding the relentless destructive actions of this group that threaten modern civilization.

I rarely watch the tube for years now, so I had to make a point to watch these shows to see what was being said that so crawled up the skirt of those possessed by this uncontrollable obsession. The majority of liberal TV watchers I know don't have use for Maher, so much for his 'influence' or impact on anything of consequence. The few that I've seen that partake of that do so to enjoy the comedy (not my brand), certainly not to inform themselves of anything not yet known.

I gradually came to understand the obsession with Maddow, being that she insists on presenting facts, that being anathema to the foundation of most all commentary and disinformation from the would-be victim destroyers of society. This is evidenced by their reference to such factual presentations as 'hate' and even 'violence' of liberals, so that various refutations of aggressive attacks from the radical right are themselves referred to as 'attacks.' Hence my term 'victim destroyers'; wearing the mask of victimization to justify their own agenda of destruction.




Lucylastic -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/13/2012 10:42:26 AM)

of course she is "madcow" to those who object to conservative women being called names
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DaddySatyr -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/13/2012 11:20:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, very fucking silly that there is any influence by these people, thats why some 50% of the posts here either quote or castigate what these guys say, and they splash the papers and political figures to fucking busy commenting and supporting or flaying them to fix the fuckin economy are headlining the news.



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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Either way to deny that either of them has any influence over their listeners would be silly.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

But, you go, boy. Totally reverse my position. Good job. Have another.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



SternSkipper -> RE: 141 down and an internal memo against the likes of rush (3/13/2012 11:32:06 AM)

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But, you go, boy. Totally reverse my position. Good job. Have another.



Jesus... If you want to talk about something Else

Start Another fucking Thread... Nobody gives a shit what you WANT the thread to change to in order to take the heat off Rush



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