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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 12:25:02 PM

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The "Unholy Trio" were doing what plenty of other people did when people were screaming for Don Imus's head.

Bita split a pretty fine hair between individual vs carrier rights of free speech.

Do I wish Rush was off the air? Yes.

Do I think a petition to get him off the air was right? Maybe not.

Do I think people can speak with the pocketbooks (don't buy his sponsors crap)? Absolutely, and they should. I personally was LOOOOOOOving the upward tally of sponsors kicking Rush to the curb.

I said in my original post and I'll repeat: The people, doing what the people in this case did, is to be praised. It should be held up as an example that free speech works . I called a few sponsors, myself.

If Rush gets canned for this, it's his own fault and it is not a violation of the 1st amendment unless, he gets forced off the air by the FCC. If people stop buying the sponsors product and that forces Rush off the air? C'est la vie (ETA: I meant to say: "C'est la guerre!")!

I think part of the reason that Rush is still on the air is that the sponsors want to see if people follow through on their threat. I'm sure the number crunchers and statisticians are hard-at-work, trying to see if there's an actual downtrend in sales. I think that's where the rubber meets the road, here.

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 12:30:52 PM

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Well, she's a bimbo (Barbarella), symbolically speaking, and her humanist politics were too complex for the era, her goal was was not pro-NVA, it was antiwar, her crime was attempting to humanize the enemy, it could be more accurately characterized as a peace envoy, Nixon was already trying to find a way to wind it all down, so it's hard to say it hindered the war effort.

The charge that she informed on American prisoners to the NVA is repudiated on snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

Sorry. I would argue that by going there, wearing their uniform, and telling the world what wonderful humanitarians they were she committed the treasonous act of giving aid and comfort to the enemy. I'm not sure about "comfort" although, I'd wager she fucked a few of 'em just to prove what a humanitarian she is but, propagandizing is certainly giving aid.

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OK. Here's where I stop taking you seriously.

Off to be productive. Enjoy.

You can, if you like but Tokyo Rose was convicted of treason for propagandizing. So, you'd be foolish to not take that argument seriously.

Yes, she was pardoned, thirty years later, a dying woman that shed tears of remorse but she was convicted and I still think that speaking out for an enemy is giving aid to that enemy.

Peace and comfort,

Michael

Of course a real,and actually declared state of war existed between us and Japan....I know of no such occurance between us and the North Vietnamese
Do you ?

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 12:33:00 PM

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I wonder if the (micrometer measured!) upward trend of the economy will counteract any downward sales of the sponsors? I hope not!!!!

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 12:36:29 PM

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Bita split a pretty fine hair between individual vs carrier rights of free speech.

Wait! That wasn't me.. that was SCOTUS!

I can't say I disagree with the distinction though. Can you imagine if such a thing were not in place? Advertisers could get away with "Buy one get one free.. but only if you belong to _________ (insert an ethinc, religious etc sub-group here) like the cupcake thing we had recently in CA. Depending on your gender or ethnicity you paid a different price for your cupcake. That was done in protest and made our local news. (Have no idea if it made national news though I do seem to recall a thread on it but it might have been on my NPR forum.)

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 12:37:15 PM

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I wonder if the (micrometer measured!) upward trend of the economy will counteract any downward sales of the sponsors? I hope not!!!!

That's an interesting thought. If I'm not mistaken, at least two of his larger sponsors are investment houses. Now, money can certainly be made when the market is tanking, also but, by-and-large, there's more to be made during an upward swing.

That really is a thought. I know (through some of the things that people post here) that Rush claims the business end is fine ... blah, blah, blah. It may be "fine" but, I doubt it's unchanged. I'm sure some people have taken action against the sponsors but, I know a thing or two about "typical Americans" ...

They get their panties in a twist and that shout out. They threaten sponsors with retribution but only a small percentage carry through and even then, it usually doesn't last long. That's the long and short of it. I think that's why we're seeing the time delay I suggested.

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 12:38:47 PM

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Bita split a pretty fine hair between individual vs carrier rights of free speech.

Wait! That wasn't me.. that was SCOTUS!

I can't say I disagree with the distinction though. Can you imagine if such a thing were not in place? Advertisers could get away with "Buy one get one free.. but only if you belong to _________ (insert an ethinc, religious etc sub-group here) like the cupcake thing we had recently in CA. Depending on your gender or ethnicity you paid a different price for your cupcake. That was done in protest and made our local news. (Have no idea if it made national news though I do seem to recall a thread on it but it might have been on my NPR forum.)

You're right. You were reporting!

I heard about the cupcakes on NPR in IL.

Did you hear Phylis Schlafly on Diane Rehm on Monday??

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 12:43:08 PM

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Sarah Palin Defends Rush Limbaugh, Says Apology Was Unnecessary

http://jezebel.com/5891236/sarah-palin-defends-rush-limbaugh-says-apology-was-unnecessary

Bill Maher defends Rush Limbaugh. Repeat: Bill Maher defends Rush Limbaugh

http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/03/07/bill-maher-defends-rush-limbaugh-repeat-bill-maher-defends-rush-limbaugh/

Laura Ingraham Defends Rush & Says There's No War On Women

http://www.newshounds.us/20120307_laura_ingraham_defends_rush_says_there_s_no_war_on_women

Hannity Rushes To Defend Limbaugh's Misogynistic Attacks

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201203020022

O'Reilly's Latest Attack On Fluke: "She Can Dress Very Well" For Someone Who Can't Afford Birth Control

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201203090022

Latest Right-Wing Attack On Fluke: She's A "Willing Pawn In The Process To ... Subvert The Truth

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201203080018

Vile Personal Attacks on Sandra Fluke Expose Hostility Toward All Women

http://reproductiverights.org/en/press-room/vile-personal-attacks-on-sandra-fluke-expose-hostility-toward-all-women

Bill O’Reilly Attacks Sandra Fluke: Claims She Wants Government To Pay For Her ‘Social Life’

http://thinkprogress.org/media/2012/03/02/437076/bill-oreilly-attacks-sandra-fluke/?mobile=nc

We could keep going....there`s no end in sight......

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 12:44:46 PM

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You'd be wrong. While I said that I believe that President Bush was taken in by an ally's intelligence report, I felt that there were WMDs and that we were responsible for Saddam so, we needed to do something.
Michael

The "ally whose intelligence report took Bush in" was, IMO, his own Vice President.

Since his days as one of the last-ditch defenders of "Tricky Dick" Nixon, and the days of his outspoken approval for Reagan and North's actions during Iran-Contra, Dick Cheney has been a firm advocate of an "Imperial Presidency" whenever a Republican is in the White House.

A war with a Republican President/Commander-In-Chief is a perfect time to try to criminalize being a registered Democrat, claiming that anyone who does not support the Republican President is a "traitor" or "anti-American".

(Of course, anyone opposing a Democratic President is "100% American", and a "patriot".)

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 12:51:09 PM

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Sarah Palin Defends Rush Limbaugh, Says Apology Was Unnecessary

http://jezebel.com/5891236/sarah-palin-defends-rush-limbaugh-says-apology-was-unnecessary

To me, this is the scariest one of the bunch. If you listen, all the way to the end, Gov. Palin very carefully tiptoes around the question of an open convention and would she accept a nomination.

At the end of her artful semi-dodge (partially cut off since that's not what the clip was trying to support), she makes it very clear that she will be at the convention.

I can't imagine a scarier thought than Gov. Palin A) being nominated (it would ensure a re-elect for the current failure-in-chief Although, just about any name from the GOP would) 2) Gov. Palin being elected POTUS. Nothing would get done (in many cases, that would be a blessing). We'd have four years of no positive movement which almost assures four years of negative movement.

Gov. Palin, ultimately is why 2008 was the first election for which I was eligible in which I did not vote.

Peace and comfort,

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 12:56:24 PM

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Yes, she was pardoned, thirty years later, a dying woman that shed tears of remorse but she was convicted.

I am calling BS on this.

Tokyo Rose

Iva was pardoned in 1977.. she died in 2006. DS, I hope you will read that link or even this link.

"Eventually (1977) she was pardoned by President Gerald Ford, and early in 2006, the same year she died, she was given the Edward J. Herlihy Citizenship Award by the World War II Veterans Committee."

Why would the World War II Veterans Committee give out the Edward J. Herlihy award to a traitor? Only reason - she was not a traitor. People came forward and admitted they had lied during the trial and even the court admitted that they were predisposed to find her guilty due to her Japanese-American heritage. Even with that predisposition she was only convicted on one of the 8 counts against her and that one was due to the sworn testimony against her that turned out to be nothing but trash.

(Thanks to George Takei for turning me on to all this!)

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 1:00:41 PM

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(Of course, anyone opposing a Democratic President is "100% American", and a "patriot".)

I can't agree with that. I was one of the people that was moaning and gnashing my teeth when President Clinton didn't take stronger action after that ship (The Cole?) was hit.

I have opposed actions of presidents on both sides. Do I tend to agree with presidents from the right? Yes.

My dream candidate in 2008 would have been Gen./Sec. Powell. I felt that he would be a strong military foreign policy guy and would be balanced on domestic issues. In fact, I'm not sure that he ever actually declared a party but, the assumption was that since he was SoS under a Republican, he must have been a Republican. I don't know if that is necessarily true.

I think his early departure proves - without a doubt - that he didn't support King George II's foreign policy and even though I think he would have run as a Democrat, he would have had my confident vote.

Peace and comfort,

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 1:02:38 PM

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the current failure-in-chief

So much for respecting the office.

Failure in what ways?

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 1:05:15 PM

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(Of course, anyone opposing a Democratic President is "100% American", and a "patriot".)

I can't agree with that. I was one of the people that was moaning and gnashing my teeth when President Clinton didn't take stronger action after that ship (The Cole?) was hit.

I have opposed actions of presidents on both sides. Do I tend to agree with presidents from the right? Yes.

My dream candidate in 2008 would have been Gen./Sec. Powell. I felt that he would be a strong military foreign policy guy and would be balanced on domestic issues. In fact, I'm not sure that he ever actually declared a party but, the assumption was that since he was SoS under a Republican, he must have been a Republican. I don't know if that is necessarily true.

I think his early departure proves - without a doubt - that he didn't support King George II's foreign policy and even though I think he would have run as a Democrat, he would have had my confident vote.

Peace and comfort,

Michael

IMO, Powell would have been a great one.

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 1:09:34 PM

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My dream candidate in 2008 would have been Gen./Sec. Powell. I felt that he would be a strong military foreign policy guy and would be balanced on domestic issues. In fact, I'm not sure that he ever actually declared a party but, the assumption was that since he was SoS under a Republican, he must have been a Republican. I don't know if that is necessarily true.

I think his early departure proves - without a doubt - that he didn't support King George II's foreign policy and even though I think he would have run as a Democrat, he would have had my confident vote.

Powell is a conservative Republican. The sane kind.

He also isn't an arrogant idiot. He'd have been a good choice.

But that makes him far too "moderate" for the mess that remains of what used to be the Republican Party.

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 1:09:52 PM

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You'd be wrong. While I said that I believe that President Bush was taken in by an ally's intelligence report, I felt that there were WMDs and that we were responsible for Saddam so, we needed to do something.
Michael

The "ally whose intelligence report took Bush in" was, IMO, his own Vice President.

Since his days as one of the last-ditch defenders of "Tricky Dick" Nixon, and the days of his outspoken approval for Reagan and North's actions during Iran-Contra, Dick Cheney has been a firm advocate of an "Imperial Presidency" whenever a Republican is in the White House.

A war with a Republican President/Commander-In-Chief is a perfect time to try to criminalize being a registered Democrat, claiming that anyone who does not support the Republican President is a "traitor" or "anti-American".

(Of course, anyone opposing a Democratic President is "100% American", and a "patriot".)

In any case, my point was made when North was characterized as an "exemplary Marine" rather than a "treasonous slut".

By the same token, I imagine Cheney is a "patriotic American" and not a "Machiavellian petrodollar pimp", while the Bush's, apparently, were simply "misguided" and "deceived".

Although George W's case, the defense that he really is just a cretinous, simpleminded sockpuppet are at least marginally plausible.

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 1:13:00 PM

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IMO, Powell would have been a great one.

I wanted Powell/Keyes just to "balance the ticket" in certain ways to try and insure a win.

Forgetting the bottom of the ticket, I think Gen./Sec. Powell blew a chance to enter the history books instead of the current POTUS.

I think Gen./Sec. Powell would have won with something like 70% of the vote. I mean that. I think it would have been the landslide to end all landslides. When I realized that he wasn't just playing coy and really wasn't going to run, I was very disappointed.

ETA: Hell, I would have volunteered my time to help get him elected; something I haven't done since Reagan '80

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 1:20:52 PM

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I think Gen./Sec. Powell blew a chance to enter the history books

No, he made a choice not to.

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 1:39:31 PM

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I said in my original post and I'll repeat: The people, doing what the people in this case did, is to be praised. It should be held up as an example that free speech works . I called a few sponsors, myself.

If Rush gets canned for this, it's his own fault and it is not a violation of the 1st amendment

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 1:42:03 PM

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His son, an unabashed corpo-tool, is, unfortunately, largely the architect and instrument of the FCC hypocrisy alluded to earlier.

And I like him too, but Powell didn't mind getting a piece of the arms dealing that went with the Iraq invasion, he made a bundle off those no-bid military-industrial contracts, and he appears to have been involved with Cap Weinbergers covert Iraqi arms dealing, although again, at that time Saddam was still the potential stepping stone to Iran.

Interesting that Carter is still considered a wimp for that botched rescue, while Reagan probably had the best, and maybe last chance for a military overthrow of Iran with the Soviets out of the picture, and George H. didn't have the cajones to take it all the way in.

That left Clinton enforcing sanctions and authorizing the occasional sortie to scare the Russians and Chinese off, while the neo-con's and the Seven Sisters plotted their triumphal reconquest.

Fucked that away too, they're so bent on unconditional military conquest that they snubbed Iran's offer to hunt down OBL and al Queda in exchange for the Caspian pipeline contracts (this was before everybody knew the Caspian reserves were almost entirely illusory), in Bush's infamous "Axis of Evil" speech, in which he conflated Shia Nationalism with Suni Nationalism (radical Salfism, Al Queda), lumping them all in together as pack of sinister "Islamicists" rather than de facto mortal enemies), presumably in a bid to cement the SBC vote by turning it into a crusade, sending them into prosthelytetic paroxysms.

We invaded Afghanistan to secure the alternate route on that pretext, and when the bad news about the Caspian reserves emerged in the middle of all that, immediately redeployed on the Iraqi border and started looking for a pretext to invade.

The fundies are notoriously unsophisticated in political economic complexities, but obsessed with biblical prophecy - an alliance with Iran was possible at that time, probably because the petrodollar cartel couldn't stomach the thought of paying Iran a fair price for their oil, and what would have happened, happened anyway, a Shia roadblock between Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Sunni crescent, only with no secure oil contracts, and Iran in an even better position to establish an oil bourse that will end the petrodollar monopoly, assuming they can cut a better deal with the Russians and Chinese than they got, or could expect from BP and the other sisters.

The petrocabal hasn't stopped dreaming of an Iranian invasion, it's their new Jerusalem, and the drumbeating isn't going to stop till all this comes a head, one way or another.

Ok, I guess were talking about Jane Fonda?

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RE: The Unholy Trio Demand "Justice" - 3/14/2012 1:42:14 PM

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In any case, my point was made when North was characterized as an "exemplary Marine" rather than a "treasonous slut".

Since I did call Col. North an "exemplary Marine" (and you fail to understand my explanation) let's be very clear: I called Hanoi Jane a traitor. I never called her a "slut". I leave stuff like that to Limbaugh, that palin Maher, and Schultz and their ilk.

Peace and comfort,

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