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Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 10:09:47 AM   
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But nice try, guys, and thanks for playing.

The state of Texas recently adopted a law that requires residents to present photo ID at the polling place before voting. These kinds of laws are problematic even in the best cases, but Texas being Texas, their law is almost laughably brazen in its intentions. For example, in addition to driver's licenses, the law specifies that military ID and handgun permits are acceptable forms of identification; specifies that student IDs aren't acceptable forms of identification; and automatically qualifies elderly voters to cast mail-in ballots, which require no ID. In other words, the law does its best to make voting easy for every possible identifiably Republican-leaning constituency and hard for every possible identifiably Democratic-leaning constituency.
And those are just the identifiable Democratic constituencies. There are others that, for pesky legal reasons, can only be indirectly targeted: primarily blacks, Hispanics, and the poor. These constituencies lack photo ID at higher rates than white, middle-class voters, and this is what the Justice Department homed in on today when it put the Texas law on hold:
Our analysis of the January data indicates that 10.8 percent of Hispanic registered voters do not have a driver’s license or personal identification card issued by DPS, but only 4.9 percent of non-Hispanic registered voters do not have such identification. So, Hispanic registered voters are more than twice as likely as non-Hispanic registered voters to lack such identification.
....An applicant for an election identification certificate will be required to provide two pieces of secondary identification, or one piece of secondary identification and two supporting documents. If a voter does not possess any of these documents, the least expensive option will be to spend $22 on a copy of the voter’s birth certificate....As noted above, an applicant for an election identification certificate will have to travel to a driver’s license office. This raises three discrete issues. First, according to the most recent American Community Survey three-year estimates, 7.3 percent of Hispanic or Latino households do not have an available vehicle....Second, in 81 of the state’s 254 counties, there are no operational driver’s license offices....The third and final point is the limited hours that such offices are open. Only 49 of the 221 currently open driver’s license offices across the state have extended hours.
The second paragraph here is a key one. Lots of people assume that getting photo ID is no big deal. Most people have it, and even the ones who don't can easily get it. After all, it's free! But that's not true. First, you need a birth certificate. Middle-class folks might not realize this, but not everyone has a birth certificate handy, and both the hassle factor and the cost of getting one can be real deterrents. Add to that the hassle of getting a ride to a DMV office two counties away during working hours, and voting in the next election suddenly got a whole lot harder for you than it is for your average middle-class white suburbanite. You might even never get around to it. Which, of course, is the whole idea. Kudos to the Justice Department for pointing that out and doing the right thing here by putting the Texas law on hold.

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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 10:25:27 AM   
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...and this we are seeing in Texas as elsewhere...is only the beginning.

Repub controlled states are trying all manor of new laws to...REDUCE voter turn-out.

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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 10:52:55 AM   
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A Rejection of Discrimination

When Texas lawmakers were writing one of the nation’s most restrictive voter-identification laws last spring, they rejected a proposal to allow voters to use other forms of ID beyond a narrow list. They rejected another suggestion to help voters without an ID card apply for one. And when a lawmaker offered an amendment to offer free access to birth certificates in order to get a card, instead of charging $22, they rejected that, too.

So it was no surprise on Monday when the Justice Department did the right thing and forcefully rejected the state’s voter-ID law entirely. The department said the law clearly disadvantages Hispanic voters, who lack photo ID’s at a much higher rate than the state’s overall population. The Voting Rights Act requires that states and counties with a history of racial discrimination prove that new voting laws don’t discriminate in purpose or effect, and Texas was unable to meet that test.

The department’s action comes after it also blocked a similar law in South Carolina in December, a demonstration that it is serious about overturning a growing body of politically inspired legislation that could make it harder for people in more than a dozen states to vote. (It has also blocked Florida’s decision to curtail early voting and third-party registration drives.) These laws, pushed by Republicans, would erect barriers to minorities, students and the poor, all of whom tend to vote for Democrats.

In a letter to Texas elections officials, the Justice Department said the state submitted no evidence that it is suffering from a voter-impersonation problem that would be solved with an ID requirement. But, at the department’s request, Texas did submit data showing how the requirement would affect Hispanic voters, and the numbers were disturbing. Nearly 11 percent of Hispanic registered voters lack a driver’s license or government-issued card, compared with nearly 5 percent of non-Hispanic voters. (Hispanics were the only minority group analyzed because it was easier to identify their last names.)

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/opinion/a-rejection-of-discrimination.html?_r=1

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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 11:10:30 AM   
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Generally speaking, historically in the U.S. whenever there have been any voter requirements put in place they have ALWAYS been about restricting so-called "undesirables" from voting. It has NEVER been about ensuring that only those who are legally allowed to vote, vote. It has always been about PREVENTING those who are legally allowed to vote from actually exercising their right to vote.

Is it any surprise that the Justice department is trying to nip this in the bud? Like the Justice department hasn't seen this kind of maneuver a thousand times before. Like the Justice department and the rest of us don't know exactly what is going on here...

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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 2:11:39 PM   
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quote:

...and this we are seeing in Texas as elsewhere...is only the beginning.

Repub controlled states are trying all manor of new laws to...REDUCE voter turn-out.


Natural reflex action to seeing the current Republican Primary play out. Pressing the panic button


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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 2:23:55 PM   
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Now why should blacks Hispanics and the poor have trouble getting a photo ID...are you saying they are too stupid or something...Come on there is nothing wrong with a photo ID law. To me as long as it is spelled out where an ID can be obtained and it is free then what is the problem?

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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 3:15:10 PM   
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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 3:19:38 PM   
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quote:

Now why should blacks Hispanics and the poor have trouble getting a photo ID...are you saying they are too stupid or something...Come on there is nothing wrong with a photo ID law. To me as long as it is spelled out where an ID can be obtained and it is free then what is the problem?


Reread the OP - all will be revealed.

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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 3:54:06 PM   
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I read it and I don't see the same problems..the sky is not falling

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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 4:05:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 4:09:07 PM   
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Thankfully, the justice dept. disagreed with your assessment. 
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I read it and I don't see the same problems..the sky is not falling


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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 4:49:59 PM   
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To me as long as it is spelled out where an ID can be obtained and it is free then what is the problem?


So you're in favor of altering access to the vote in terms of making it more difficult.
Whatever,that's the reason we have a justice dept.


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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 5:51:08 PM   
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Stern I think there is a real problem with voter fraud in this country...I am all for alternate better ideas...do you have any? I personally think a well crafted law requiring photo id...with plenty of lead time and accommodations for transportation if needed... will work just fine and reduce fraud.

I don't see evil Republicans behind every practical move as many do. Now if problems arise I am also for changes or repeal but I am not against at least trying a photo ID law and see what happens.


Butch

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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 5:58:54 PM   
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Wisconsins voter ID law was tossed out by a state judge for being unc onstitutional,
but texas will take it all the way if they can..Ive seen calls for secession again. Its like a broken record


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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 6:00:32 PM   
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Stern I think there is a real problem with voter fraud in this country...


You and Reince Priebus

Despite A 0.0002 Percent Rate Of Voter Fraud, Reince Priebus Claims Wisconsin Is ‘Riddled With Voter Fraud’

Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus made a curious claim on MSNBC today, alleging that Wisconsin is a state “that was absolutely riddled with voter fraud.”

The problem? A recent study by the nonpartisan Brennan Center for Justice found just seven cases of voter fraud out of three million votes cast in Wisconsin during the 2004 election, a fraud rate of 0.0002 percent. All seven of these cases involved persons with felony convictions who weren’t eligible to vote after being released from prison.

Unfazed by the minuscule incidence of actual voter fraud – comedian Stephen Colbert joked that “our democracy is under siege from an enemy so small it could be hiding anywhere” – Priebus went on MSNBC to defend Wisconsin’s new photo ID requirement and yesterday’s anti-voting rights measure passed by the House GOP. When host Martin Bashir pushed the RNC Chair about his party’s motivations for restricting voting rights, Priebus pointed to his home state of Wisconsin and declared, “I come from a state in Wisconsin that was absolutely riddled with voter fraud, okay?”

BASHIR: Just last night Republicans in the House voted to dismantle the Election Assistance Commission, the sole purpose of which is to make sure states meet voting standards that prevent fraud. Why would Republicans do that if they’re honestly concerned about preventing fraud? [...]

PRIEBUS: Well listen, I don’t want to get into the specifics here, but let me tell you something. I come from a state in Wisconsin that was absolutely riddled with voter fraud, okay? They had the smokes-for-votes exchange in Milwaukee. This is something that has nothing to do with constitutional rights of the people who are committing the fraud, it has to do with the constitutional rights of people under our Constitution that one person gets one vote, not two or three or four or five, by not having reasonable voting standards in this country to make sure that fraud doesn’t occur.

Watch it:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/12/02/381172/reince-priebus-voter-fraud/

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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 6:02:09 PM   
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In my state one of the following is required to register to vote.

•ID issued by the state of Missouri, an agency of the state, or a local election authority of the state
•ID issued by the U.S. government or agency
•ID issued by an institution of higher education, including a university, college, vocational or technical school located within Missouri
•A driver's license or state ID card issued by another state

It would be simple to require the above organizations to include a photo on their IDs don't you think? This form of ID is required NOW and adding a photo would not require anymore lead time....or transportation...the poor...blacks and Hispanics as well as everyone else has to do it now.

So what would be the big deal?

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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 6:04:03 PM   
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One is too many don't you think? Please read my post above and tell me...if there are already requirements for registration how it would be anymore of a problem to add a photo? I would grandfather it in so only people registering after the law goes into effect would need a photo ID.

Butch

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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 6:06:35 PM   
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and Kris Kobach

The GOP War on Voting

In a campaign supported by the Koch brothers, Republicans are working to prevent millions of Democrats from voting next year

...No one has done more to stir up fears about the manufactured threat of voter fraud than Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a top adviser in the Bush Justice Department who has become a rising star in the GOP. "We need a Kris Kobach in every state," declared Michelle Malkin, the conservative pundit. This year, Kobach successfully fought for a law requiring every Kansan to show proof of citizenship in order to vote – even though the state prosecuted only one case of voter fraud in the past five years. The new restriction fused anti-immigrant hysteria with voter-fraud paranoia. "In Kansas, the illegal registration of alien voters has become pervasive," Kobach claimed, offering no substantiating evidence.

Kobach also asserted that dead people were casting ballots, singling out a deceased Kansan named Alfred K. Brewer as one such zombie voter. There was only one problem: Brewer was still very much alive. The Wichita Eagle found him working in his front yard. "I don't think this is heaven," Brewer told the paper. "Not when I'm raking leaves."

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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 6:09:47 PM   
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Ive seen calls for [Texan] secession again.


I'm not sure that's an entirely bad idea.

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RE: Justice Dept. blocks Texas photo ID law - 3/14/2012 6:09:52 PM   
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One is too many don't you think?

It's not about voter fraud. It's about suppressing the vote of people likely to vote for Democrats.

The GOP War on Voting

...Republicans have long tried to drive Democratic voters away from the polls. "I don't want everybody to vote," the influential conservative activist Paul Weyrich told a gathering of evangelical leaders in 1980. "As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." But since the 2010 election, thanks to a conservative advocacy group founded by Weyrich, the GOP's effort to disrupt voting rights has been more widespread and effective than ever.

In a systematic campaign orchestrated by the American Legislative Exchange Council – and funded in part by David and Charles Koch, the billionaire brothers who bankrolled the Tea Party – 38 states introduced legislation this year designed to impede voters at every step of the electoral process.

All told, a dozen states have approved new obstacles to voting. Kansas and Alabama now require would-be voters to provide proof of citizenship before registering. Florida and Texas made it harder for groups like the League of Women Voters to register new voters. Maine repealed Election Day voter registration, which had been on the books since 1973. Five states – Florida, Georgia, Ohio, Tennessee and West Virginia – cut short their early voting periods. Florida and Iowa barred all ex-felons from the polls, disenfranchising thousands of previously eligible voters. And six states controlled by Republican governors and legislatures – Alabama, Kansas, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Wisconsin – will require voters to produce a government-issued ID before casting ballots. More than 10 percent of U.S. citizens lack such identification, and the numbers are even higher among constituencies that traditionally lean Democratic – including 18 percent of young voters and 25 percent of African-Americans.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830#ixzz1p8xTlcho

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