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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/14/2012 8:26:18 PM

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That IS the way most publicly exposed righties do for a living. So, yes, I would have to agree.

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Kirk Cameron is in a unique position. Pretty much everybody (of a certain age range, and who participated in mainstream culture at the time) knows who he is, and an overwhelming majority really don't care. He has a niche market in an ideological minority community that feels persecuted to begin with. The absolute best thing he can do to get seriously rich, and stay that way, is to get the liberals fired up and talking about him, and watch the personal appearance fees go up as his market base rallies behind him, and the free advertising finds him new consumers.

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/14/2012 8:55:03 PM

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MEH Fuck him..who gives a flying fuck what he likes and doesnt ?

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/14/2012 8:55:30 PM

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Surely, we hate seeing someone who's in the grip of drug addiction, wasting their life away but we don't hate them ?

I'm sure you didn't mean this analogy to be insulting, but it really is.

That tired old "hate the sin, love the sinner" song. How hypocritical is it that those who profess adhering to this also throw people who use drugs into prison, rather than giving the addicted treatment? Some of those people love the sinners so much they want to execute them.

One of the many ways in which those conservative true believers disgust me.

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/14/2012 9:19:50 PM

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This being said, as a Christian, Mr. Cameron is told by his faith to love everyone, even his enemies.

Or to slaughter them and their livestock (depending on which verses one cherry picks).

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Is it hate speech to do that?

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/14/2012 9:22:11 PM

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My point is that maybe they should try earning an honest living

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/14/2012 9:23:26 PM

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my response was a fast reply ...not directed at you..in any way

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/14/2012 9:26:23 PM

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When he sees people participating in behavior/activities that his faith sees as blocking their path to Heaven, wouldn't it be the loving thing for him to encourage them to turn away from that behavior, whatever that behavior may be?

Depends on if he does things like calls upon legislators to help spread his 'love' to folks whether they want it or not.

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/14/2012 9:28:57 PM

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My bad, Sorry Ms. Lucy

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/14/2012 9:30:54 PM

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My bad, Sorry Ms. Lucy

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my response was a fast reply ...not directed at you..in any way

no problem:) it happens

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/14/2012 9:35:25 PM

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That IS the way most publicly exposed righties do for a living. So, yes, I would have to agree.

Hardly exclusive to the right, or to politics.

Somebody wanna tell Hippie about Pat Robertson?

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/14/2012 11:19:53 PM

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Whatever you say friend.
What about Robertson?
The pot thing?
Dumbest thing I've ever heard him say.
While I'm glad my job's easier legalization and taxation. Would clean up the whole mess.

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That IS the way most publicly exposed righties do for a living. So, yes, I would have to agree.

Hardly exclusive to the right, or to politics.

Somebody wanna tell Hippie about Pat Robertson?

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/14/2012 11:40:16 PM

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"Surely, we hate seeing Kirk Cameron, making such a fool of himself wasting his life away hating the very thing he desires and needs but we don't hate him personally, do we ?"

Does that work for anyone?

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/15/2012 12:04:48 AM

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I think fame is kind of like a drug. I think once someone's had it, they kind of crave it, once it's gone.

Kirk Cameron, at one time, couldn't walk through a store without seeing his face on at least a couple of teenmag covers. After the show ended and he kind of "slipped off to marital bliss/public obscurity", I think, as time went by, he kind of craved at least a piece of that old glory.

I'm sure his Christian movies or whatever they are garner him some fame but that is in a very small portion of the community, at large.

I will say this, though:

His appearance on that show wasn't specifically for his religious views. Granted, they were bound to come up but, that didn't seem (to me) to be the reasoning behind it. He was "humping" his newest movie and like any actor/actress/musician/author; with a new release, comes a promotional tour.

Just because he is a public figure, shouldn't mean he should get excoriated for voicing his opinion, when asked about them.

It's that fine line I've talked about before; sure, you could try and find insult in what he said or you could think: "Gee. A fundementalist Christian thinks that homosexuality is what his bible tells him it is. Quelle suprise!"

"Hey, Jon Bon, what do you think of music?"

"Hey, Pamela, what do you think of cosmetic surgery?"

Some answers, asked to people whose views are commonly known, aren't really news.

If some people wish to characterize the "Christian" view of homosexuality as "hate", I would remind them that in a free society, people have a right to hate, if that is how they choose to live. They don't have a right to turn hate into action but, we haven't quite legislated how people are allowed to think, entirely, yet.

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/15/2012 2:09:11 AM

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"homosexuality "unnatural" and "detrimental" to civilization".......That`s a bit more than "doesn`t like".........

He`s a fuck`n bigot.........

Do we need to wait for him to SAY he`s a fuck`n bigot before we ca use those exact words to describe him......?

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/15/2012 3:13:40 AM

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I think you're right. Historically, a rush to judgement has always worked out well. Why let the facts get in the way of good rhetoric?

Why wait until someone says something hateful before accusing them of having hate in their heart, especially if you can label and dis-credit them and it will advance your agenda?

It worked out well for the left, especially in Arizona, a couple of years ago. You remember? The son of a bitch that shot that poor little girl to death and severely injured the congresswoman (maybe a senator, I forget). Before his name was even released, lefties were saying that it must be some gun-toting radical righty tea party member that was looking to start a war on democrats. Ooooops! He turned out to be a registered democrat. Yep a rush to judgement helped there.

How about Ted what's-his-name, the unibomber? He was this radical terrorist, looking to bring about the fall of our republic. Ooooops! Not quite. In fact, he was a radical eco-terrorist with some ties to the left and a hatred for the right. That one worked out well, too.

What I've always admired about the left is their loving, peaceful ways and the way they express that ...

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"I want to go up to the closest white person and say: ‘You can’t understand this, it’s a black thing’ and then slap him, just for my mental health"

Yes. democrats have always been lovers of mankind and the party of inclusion and compromise ...

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"Republicans don’t believe in the imagination, partly because so few of them have one, but mostly because it gets in the way of their chosen work, which is to destroy the human race and the planet. Human beings, who have imaginations, can see a recipe for disaster in the making; Republicans, whose goal in life is to profit from disaster and who don’t give a hoot about human beings, either can’t or won’t. Which is why I personally think they should be exterminated before they cause any more harm."

And it's not just the individuals. The "party" encourages love and understanding ...

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Fund-raising advertisement put out by the St. Petersburg Democratic Club

"..And then there’s Rumsfeld who said of Iraq ‘We have our good days and our bad days.’ We should put this S.O.B. up against a wall and say ‘This is one of our bad days’ and pull the trigger."

Yes, clearly, the DNC and the individuals who are members of it are all level-headed and fair-minded and want what's best for America.

Peace and comfort,

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/15/2012 3:14:18 AM

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WTF do I care who you love as long as you're not busy hating?

Good question! There was a cartoon, which I cannot alas find, that showed a straight couple saying, "Well, John's been out of work for a year now, and my job doesn't offer insurance. We can't afford the payments on the house, and the car barely runs. But we're just thrilled that two men we don't know can't get married!"

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Ostensibly, most Episcopalians believe as the Bishop does? Nothing to win there. I think there may be a small percentage in other faiths that may read that and at least re-think their position but, by-and-large, religious traditionalists of every stripe are very "black-and-white" in how they see things. "My way is the right way because God said so! You don't agree? You're outside the church."

Some Episcopalians agree; some don't. There have been several congregations in the DC area wanting to break away from the denomination, which they view as too liberal. You're right, I think, about the traditionalists' being unlikely to budge. Where the bishop's statement may have helped is in showing Maryland legislators (who were given copies by gay folks lobbying them on the issue) that there was another spiritual perspective on the question.

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/15/2012 3:25:33 AM

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Some Episcopalians agree; some don't. There have been several congregations in the DC area wanting to break away from the denomination, which they view as too liberal. You're right, I think, about the traditionalists' being unlikely to budge. Where the bishop's statement may have helped is in showing Maryland legislators (who were given copies by gay folks lobbying them on the issue) that there was another spiritual perspective on the question.

I think the law-makers (even the good ones) are ultimately swayed by only two factors 1) How will this decision affect my re-election bid B) How much money can I get for my re-election bid from the lobbyists.

I don't think it's really any more nuanced than that.

When it becomes in the politicians' best interest to do something, they will.

And let's be fair; I have always said that the only reason anger is a positive thing is because it motivates people to do something instead of talking about it. I think there was a Kant quote about only anger (or fear, maybe) moving us to action. I think that's a fair assessment. I know it's essentially true for me.

Which makes me guilty in the "marriage equality" debate. I have certainly lent my voice but I have to admit that the injustice hasn't angered me enough to motivate me. If you believe the black/white: if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem then, I guess I have to own that.

In fairness to me, I did e-mail Governor Christie, a few weeks ago, before he vetoed that law here so, I have done some marginally positive things but, I haven't marched and I haven't circulated petitions. I just try to do what I can.

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/15/2012 3:35:45 AM

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n fairness to me, I did e-mail Governor Christie, a few weeks ago, before he vetoed that law here

Cool! Thanks, Michael. You think the veto will affect his likelihood or reelection?

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I haven't marched and I haven't circulated petitions. I just try to do what I can.

I haven't, um, been all that active myself, though I did make it to one march. Doing what we can is all we can do.

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/15/2012 3:46:20 AM

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Cool! Thanks, Michael. You think the veto will affect his likelihood or reelection?

Honestly, this state was in such a mess that when he was elected, I said: If he gets us moving in the right direction for recovery, he'll have done something. I think, to a small degree, he has but, it's marginal. In fairness to him; we did start showing a minor recovery even before the national numbers started showing it but, we were in really bad shape.

Actual unemployment (not first filings; the real numbers) was somewhere between 20% and 25%. one-fifth to one-quarter of the workforce could not find a job. We were in bad shape. I think the number is just south of 20% right now.

So, will he get re-elected and will that particular veto have anything to do with it? I think, like I said, earlier: it depends on how people prioritize that issue. If enough people see it as super-important, I think it kills him but, I think it's fair to say that heterosexuals out-number homosexuals, just about anywhere? That's a factor. I also think it's a mistake to assume that all homosexuals will prioritize that bill above the economic growth.

My friend, Mark, is so happy that people are back to work (to some small degree) because he's seen an increase in his earnings, as a result. Now, Mark is a flaming Republican but, that said, he's also gay but, I swear he'll be voting for Governor Christie.

I will ask people what they think about politicians but, I won't ask them how they intend or how they have voted. I know, old fashioned of me.

Peace and comfort,

Michael

ETA: I'll be brutally honest; I think I'll be voting for him. In the business I'm in (Insurance) it's essential for people to be working and to have some "disposable income" and the state economy is more important to me than a politician "voting his conscience". We knew he was a fairly religious man, when we first elected him and in the interest of full disclosure: I knew him before he was a politician. I'm not saying we were "friends" but, I'd met him, a few times and I found him to be a likable guy. That factors in, also.

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RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality - 3/15/2012 5:43:06 AM

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It's that fine line I've talked about before; sure, you could try and find insult in what he said or you could think: "Gee. A fundementalist Christian thinks that homosexuality is what his bible tells him it is. Quelle suprise!"

Or you could find insult in what he said and realize that such bigotry is also to be found in the Bible.

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If some people wish to characterize the "Christian" view of homosexuality as "hate", I would remind them that in a free society, people have a right to hate, if that is how they choose to live. They don't have a right to turn hate into action but, we haven't quite legislated how people are allowed to think, entirely, yet.

There isn't the Christian view of homosexuality, I'd be surprised if there was a single Christian view on anything.

But when it comes to Christian hate speech, yeah that's protected. There's plenty of precedents, just look at the KKK, it gets to say it's spiel.

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