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BitaTruble -> RE: Kirk Cameron Doesn't Like Homosexuality (3/19/2012 9:16:38 PM)
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ORIGINAL: joshspet1980
I also know that because of my relationship and faith and belief in Jesus Christ, that my sins will be forgiven.
My understanding is that forgiveness comes about when you stop engaging in the behaviors for which you need forgiveness. There's some sort of process and I may be getting this wrong but isn't it repent and sin no more? Then there's that whole thing Jesus thing about love your neighbors as you love Jesus and leave the judging to Him? Like I said, I could be getting that wrong but saying that homosexuality is detrimental to many foundations of civilization seems like a fairly large judgement to make and that judging job already belongs to someone. Mr. Cameron is 'judging' that homosexuality is unnatural and it seems that the Jesus dude is the one to say yay or nay to that, not Mr. Cameron, not you and not anyone else.
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I confess that it is wrong for me to feel that way. But, then I've lived with men when I was still married to someone else, I didn't wait until marriage to have sex, I cuss, I have been sexually immoral in so many ways, I have lied, I have cheated, I have done so many wrong things in my life. And I don't know a single person who hasn't done any single thing wrong in their life or never made a mistake. I am not a hypocrite for agreeing with Kirk Cameron if I believe that about myself.
That did not answer my question which was.. can you enumerate (since you agree with Mr. Cameron) the 'many foundations of civilization' which will suffer? What are the foundations? How is civilization going to suffer if the GLBT community and is simply allowed to exist and it's members and are just left alone?
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And I'm not ashamed to say that. I know that my Lord forgives me.
Okay, that's cool. You have faith. I think it's awesome that you do. I don't have that sort of faith so have to muddle through just trying to be the best bitatruble I can be and leave it at that. [;)]
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I apologize for offending you and anyone else, but I will not allow your words to hurt my heart or kill my spirit, nor my faith.
You didn't offend me at all. And if my words hurt, you will have to take responsibility for your reaction to them. I don't believe that mere words on a kinky internet forum can kill the faith of another (unless it's not a very strong faith) nor would I make such an attempt. If your faith comforts you, I think that's great. I don't think less of you or more of you for having faith. Some are comforted by faith, some by food, some by friends or family and so on and so forth. I'm very open-minded to any and all forms of comfort especially those things in which I don't have some sort of personal stake.
I am simply asking questions. Mr. Cameron isn't here and since you stated that you agree with him, I'm trying to find out what, exactly, are the dire consequences of homosexuality to society. GLBT folks have been around for a pretty long time now and the population continues to rise, so it can't be that we're going to run out of people.. I don't think the food supply is in danger because of gays.. businesses seem to do okay with lesbians shopping for shoes and I don't think gas prices are directly related to sexual orientation or trans folk. I guess I just can't see how what I do in my bedroom makes all that much difference to society. Does it matter if I'm in there with a man or with a woman and if it does.. why does it? You're the believer here, so maybe you can explain it? Or maybe you can't.. I don't know so that's why I'm asking.
I'm trying to find out ... what is it that you are actually agreeing with? What are the 'many' foundations that are in such dire straights? Who are gays, lesbians et al hurting with their private and personal behavior?
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I still think you are a neat person because you like Star Trek too from your profile. And thank you for voicing your opinions and for pointing out my faults which is what Kirk Cameron was doing for me too. I need to remember where my failings are so that I can eventually work on improving them.
What faults did I point out? I read over my post to you and it seems that I asked you a series of questions.. very few which you answered and, of course, the most important one you didn't even address. I did ask if you felt you were a hypocrite and from your post, you seem to believe you are and that's okay, too. At least you admit it and I give you kudos for the admission. Not many here will take ownership of that so it's refreshing to see someone who does.
The only opinion that I offered was that I find it extraordinary that a bisexual women would live a life that she finds detrimental to society. It's almost as though you are making a deliberate attempt to hurt society (by your own standard) and I, for the life of me, don't see what it is that you are doing that's so bad or how it's going to effect the rest of us who share the planet with you.
My relationship with Star Trek falls just short of obsession but it's not what makes me a neat person. Some days I'm downright sloppy (not often though.. I'm a bit of a germ-o-phobe and have been known to get up in the middle of the night to wash the DomDudes last glass that he left in the sink before hitting the sack!) [;)]
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