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Here's the latest, a friend of Martin's recounting their cell phone conversation as he was being followed:

Not looking good for Zimmerman.

What's amusing to me about that is it took a week and a half of the police saying they have no evidence to dispute Zimmerman's story for this friend to "suddenly remember" they had Martin on the phone at the time.

Personally, I'd want to see phone records.

Someone else could just as easily have said "Oh I had Martin on the phone talking about football. I told him to tell Zimmerman he was just visiting a friend, but he told me 'Naah, fuck that. I'm gonna beat this chump's ass."

Again....with no "evidence," anyone can say anything. That's easily shown by this very thread. A bunch of people who don't even live in that state have posted here as though they knew for undeniable fact that Zimmerman jumped from his car "TJ Hooker-style" and went screaming toward Martin, gun waving in the air.

Funny, even this person who claims to have been on the phone with Martin indicated they told him to run, and he refused. Would anyone in this thread *not* run ther asses off if Zimmerman was screaming and waving a gun? Some have already made it very clear that they would, in fact, "show him cheeks and elbows."

Why then did Martin not run.....if Zimmerman was supposedly "pursuing" him, gun drawn. Why did he not run?

From cnn.com:

"Phone records show Martin was on the phone with her much of the day, including around the time of the killing, Crump said. He argued that if Martin were really "up to no good," he wouldn't have been chatting with his friend on the phone."

Also you need to get off this:

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If you had read the appropritate articles, you would know that he played Optimist Football, not HS football. That means he was too small, slow, skinny or weak for his high school team.

And yet he still managed to bloody the nose and head of a guy with nearly 100 lbs over him.

There are more ways than punches ton get a bloody nose. Heads can collide when you're wrestling. I'm not sure why you assume that he got all Jean Claude Van Damme on this way bigger guy.

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He was initially protecting property and pursuing what he thought was a fleeing criminal.

HORSESHIT!

In Zimmerman's OWN WORDS...

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining, and he’s just walking around, looking about.

NOTHING about breaking and entering, nothing about a fleeing criminal.

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If you had read the appropritate articles, you would know that he played Optimist Football, not HS football. That means he was too small, slow, skinny or weak for his high school team.

And yet he still managed to bloody the nose and head of a guy with nearly 100 lbs over him.

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Here's an excerpt from an NRA-Certified Concealed Carry Instructor's website.



■You cannot use deadly force to protect property. If they’re stealing a hubcap they’re not a threat to life or limb.
■You cannot use deadly force to make a citizen’s arrest, or to stop a fleeing criminal. If they’re fleeing they’re not a threat to life or limb.
■You’re responsible for all of the shots you fire, including misses that hit innocent bystanders. Use aimed fire. “Spray and pray” is a bad idea.


He was initially protecting property and pursuing what he thought was a fleeing criminal.

But did he draw before, or after fisticuffs started? If his gun remained concealed up to the time Martin started to get the better of him, then he has a self defense case, despite the fact he instigated the altercation in the first place. That's whats wrong with the law as written.

He doesn't have a self defense case. The self defense affirmative defense only applies if you're not the aggressor. ( HINT: THE GUY WHO GETS OUT OF HIS CAR, ARMED, AND STALKS, PURSUES AND EXECUTES AN INNOCENT KID IS THE AGGRESSOR... )

Then why isn't he under arrest? It's obvious Martin was unarmed.

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No, you need to get off Van Damme. I'm not saying Martin was a martial arts expert. But Zimmerman was clearly bloody. Which means that Martin at least fighting with him.

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Force him down the street and into someone's back yard

If Martin WAS in someone's back yard, then at that point he was trespassing. But nevermind that, where did you get the information that he was in anybody's back yard in the first place? I didn't see that detail in any of the stories I read.

K.

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Force him down the street and into someone's back yard

If Martin WAS in someone's back yard, then at that point he was trespassing. But nevermind that, where did you get the information that he was in anybody's back yard in the first place? I didn't see that detail in any of the stories I read.

K.

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What the fuck is right. Everybody has a crystal ball today. How did he know that Zimmerman was armed? Was Zimmerman displaying his weapon, or did Martin have a crystal ball too?

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Unh, the claim was made that he was chased by a guy with a gun.

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Hispanic my ass. Zimmerman, come on the name speaks for itself. To say he his Hispanic because somewhere in his past lineage he had a Hispanic family who was Hispanic in part does not make him Hispanic. the powers that be brought that out in an attempt to lessen the assertion of this being hate crime as they view Hispanics and blacks in virtually the same light. I bet you anything Zimmerman doesn't view himself as Hispanic unless its convenient for him.