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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/23/2012 10:54:21 PM

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Well, since he didn't need any stitches or a trip to the ER, how would you classify his little scratch and bump on his head?

That's not up to me. I wasn't there. I have, however, had a head injury once that turned out to be minor, yet in the moment I wondered if I was going to bleed to death from the loss of blood.

If said injury occured to me at the hands of another, while I was on he ground, I might think shooting would be my only chance to survive.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/23/2012 10:55:31 PM

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Pursue, no. Follow? Anyone can follow anyone as following isn't a crime.

Tell that to the people sitting in prison for violating the anti-stalking and harassment laws...

Nice straw-man. But just as there is a difference between chasing and following, so to is there a difference between following and stalking.

You really are reaching now.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/23/2012 10:57:03 PM

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Yeah, but it doesn't matter what ZIMMERMAN thought. The Law judges his actions based on what a REASONABLE AND PRUDENT PERSON would do in the same circumstances.

Would a REASONABLE AND PRUDENT PERSON end up in the situation? Nope. Negligence.

If you have a 766.013 self-defense dismissal motion to make, pretrial hearing is the time to do it...

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/23/2012 10:59:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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Pursue, no. Follow? Anyone can follow anyone as following isn't a crime.

Tell that to the people sitting in prison for violating the anti-stalking and harassment laws...

Nice straw-man. But just as there is a difference between chasing and following, so to is there a difference between following and stalking.

You really are reaching now.

What's the difference?

It's night. You're going about your lawful business and someone is FOLLOWING YOU. How close do you let this person STALKING YOU LIKE AN ANIMAL get before you consider them a threat to your safety?

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/23/2012 11:02:11 PM

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Yeah, but it doesn't matter what ZIMMERMAN thought.

It most certainly does matter. If he feared for his own life, not you, me or anyone else can say he didn't. We aren't him.

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The Law judges his actions based on what a REASONABLE AND PRUDENT PERSON would do in the same circumstances.

Not when it comes to fearing for your life. What causes one person to fear for his life may not cause the same in another.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/23/2012 11:03:25 PM

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What's the difference?

If you really have to ask that, the it's not worth my time to answer it.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/23/2012 11:07:00 PM

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Yeah, but it doesn't matter what ZIMMERMAN thought.

It most certainly does matter. If he feared for his own life, not you, me or anyone else can say he didn't. We aren't him.

You don't know how Criminal Procedure Law actually WORKS, do you?

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The Law judges his actions based on what a REASONABLE AND PRUDENT PERSON would do in the same circumstances.

Not when it comes to fearing for your life. What causes one person to fear for his life may not cause the same in another.

So, you're saying that even if that person is clinically paranoid and delusional such that EVERY black kid going about their lawful business where they have every legal right to be he sees is "looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something", then the judge should just accept that, and render his decisions based on the 'logic' of a clinically paranoid and delusional defendant?

I hope not.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/23/2012 11:36:57 PM

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Well yes, whenever I come back from errands my normal habit is to sit in my vehicle and look out for a "real suspicious guy," as the errand runner put it.

You know, it's just amazing that out of all the people in that or any other neighborhood that run errands on a daily basis, this particular errand runner just happened along at the right time to spot somebody minding his own business. What would the neighborhood do with out him, aside having this errand runner knock on their door and tell them to be on the lookout for young black guys?

That's all for now, I got an errand to run, pardon me while I put in a new clip .....

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/23/2012 11:40:11 PM

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Well yes, whenever I come back from errands my normal habit is to sit in my vehicle and sit there and look out for a "real suspicious guy," as the errand runner put it.

You know, it's just amazing that out of all the people in that or any other neighborhood that run errands on a daily basis, this particular errand runner just happened along at the right time to spot somebody minding his own business. What would the neighborhood do with out him, aside having this errand runner knock on their door and tell them to be on the lookout for young black guys?

That's all for now, I got an errand to run, pardon me while I put in a new clip .....

So your assertion is that it's absolutely un-fathomable the Zimmerman noticed Martin on his way home? Seriously? Strange, I notice a lot when I'm out running errands. Good thing I never said anything before, or I'd have been called a liar as surely there's no way, with populations as dense as the neighborhoods are in this country, that I could possibly have noticed another human being.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/23/2012 11:46:26 PM

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We do not hear Zimmerman's SUV engine running. He was parked. Sorta like when he was in neighborhood watch mode, which accounting for about one call per week to 911 he seemed to be in good practice of.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/23/2012 11:48:43 PM

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We do not hear Zimmerman's SUV engine running. He was parked. Sorta like when he was in neighborhood watch mode, which accounting for about one call per week to 911 he seemed to be in good practice of.

Oh? And you can tell how long he was there just by his engine noise?

I assume you be some auditory forensic analysis credentials to share, yes?

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/23/2012 11:49:52 PM

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Here's a hint;

Repetition of stupidity does not make the stupidity any smarter, not even the speaker of such repetitive stupidity.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/23/2012 11:56:21 PM

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Here's a hint;

Repetition of stupidity does not make the stupidity any smarter, not even the speaker of such repetitive stupidity.

Here's a hint for you: repeated posting of "evidence" that isn't really evidence when you weren't there doesn't mean you know any better than any other poster does. You're guessing plain and simple. And what's worse, you're guessing based on prejudice. He's guilty in your eyes so you suggest and you speculate all toward proving he's guilty...yet you weren't there.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/23/2012 11:59:15 PM

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Thanks for explaining so well your assumption of innocence to such extent as that you must have been there. Tell us more.

Get your ears checked at first opportunity, though.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 12:22:38 AM

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DM, you've been doing back flips for several pages now trying to make Zimmerman a scared weakling. But he isn't weak and I doubt very much he was scared. He certainly didn't sound scared on the 911 tape. And scared people don't go following the person they are afraid of.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 12:22:58 AM

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Thanks for explaining so well your assumption of innocence to such extent as that you must have been there.

Wrong again. Presumption of innocence is the foundation on which our justice system is based. I don't need to have been there to know that. Neither I, nor Zimmerman have to prove he is innocent. His accusers must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he is guilty.

It's sad that you don't know that basic fact about your own country's justice system.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 12:24:22 AM

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DM, you've been doing back flips for several pages now trying to make Zimmerman a scared weakling. But he isn't weak and I doubt very much he was scared. He certainly didn't sound scared on the 911 tape. And scared people don't go following the person they are afraid of.

Especially when 911 told him NOT to.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 12:26:04 AM

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DM, you've been doing back flips for several pages now trying to make Zimmerman a scared weakling. But he isn't weak and I doubt very much he was scared. He certainly didn't sound scared on the 911 tape. And scared people don't go following the person they are afraid of.

Especially when 911 told him NOT to.

Right!!

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 12:26:09 AM

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DM, you've been doing back flips for several pages now trying to make Zimmerman a scared weakling. But he isn't weak and I doubt very much he was scared. He certainly didn't sound scared on the 911 tape. And scared people don't go following the person they are afraid of.

Wrong again.

The "backflips" as you put it have had one goal -- to show that there is no evidence that what Zimmerman has said did not occur. In our justice system, without that evidence, Zimmerman has the presumption of innocence.

I never said he was scared of Martin prior to the fight. But self-defense does not require that. All that is required is that at the moment the trigger was pulled, Zimmerman felt he had no alternative.

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RE: He was armed with skittles and ice tea... - 3/24/2012 12:27:39 AM

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But self-defense does not require that.

Does self-defense require following someone 911 told you not to follow?

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