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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 6:52:09 AM   
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I think once you forget that Women are human beings, and start thinking of them as property, ( you know, in REALITY, not here... ) you're already so far out of touch with reality, you may very well choose to eat at Red Lobster, horrible as it sounds.



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So, because I enjoy Red Lobster (and so does tam) then clearly I have forgoten that women are human beings and instead think of women (did you captitalize the 'W' in women on purpose, why?) as property and am therefore or also far out of touch? I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion.

Would you mind elaborating on how you arrived at this conclusion and how that indicates I as well as Rush and the GOP men in general are conducting a war on women and are anti-women?



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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 7:02:19 AM   
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Close. Like MSNBC is close to the truth by taking some of it and spinning the hell out of it and then repeating it until they think everyone believes it.

I listened to the recording. He said Republicans do not "war" on women because Republican men do not "war" on the same people for whom they show their esteem and for whom they outwardly shown this when they marry them, have a family with them, buy them presents, open car doors for them and take them to dinner...


.. call the little woman a cunt, cheat on them, divorce them, refuse to pay child support, beat them, kick their mentally disabled sons, rape, sexually assault/harrass, fuck their maids and nanny's, hire illegal aliens for peanuts in payment, have children with women other than their wives, have homosexual encounters while married ... nah.. republicans never do stuff like that. Stand up guys, those republicans. Practically perfect in every way.



It's an individual thing, not a republican thing. Some republicans rock, others are scum. Some democrats rock, some are scum and both genders have their fair share of transgressions.

Some people just suck.

1100 bills in Congress <-- that is the issue

It speaks for itself.




I'm not sure how I could respond to much of that post with any specificity but perhaps I could simply agree with one statement you made that implies Republican man can be bad but does not indicate this is a party affiliation specific behavour. I can support that position with two names, both Democrates.

"Anthony Weiner"
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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 7:04:05 AM   
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These are all indications that you care about that person, that gender, not that you "war on them", and of course he is right and of course women know this.



My ex-husband used to open car doors for me; he also bought me presents; we also had a family together. Want to know what else he did to show me how much he "cared" for me??
He beat me. So from my perspective, and from the perspective of virtually every abused woman in America you and Rush are both full of crap.




You being a past abused spouse does not mean GOP men are abusing their spouses and so therefore are actually in a "war with women" even though they do things that show they have high esteem for them and care about them, as Rush and I previously explained, by marrying them, raising families with them, taking them to dinner and opening doors for them, and purchasing them gifts as Rush explained.

This insult you have for me, and I can only speak for me and not Rush, is therefore completely unjustified and I question why it was necessary to bring your past personal marrage failure followed by an attempt to group me and other GOP men in with your abusive spouse and then follow that up with a personal attack on me, especially into a political discussion, in order to prove GOP men are in a "war with women".

Are you instead in a "war against men"? That would explain much.

No....just enabling them by making it harder for victims to get help.

Passing laws that say a two parents are better than one ,making it harder on victims(than it already is) to lose their abusive spouses,etc.

http://jezebel.com/5893572/republicans-oppose-violence-against-women-act-because-ladies-cant-vote-right

"It would take quite a monumental asshole to oppose providing assistance to victims of domestic violence. But, here we are in 2012, enmeshed in serious discussions about whether a woman's boss should be able to decide what health care she's allowed to purchase through insurance and if a woman carrying a stillborn fetus should be barred from having it removed until she gives birth. Exciting times, these. So it should come as no surprise that Senate Republicans have continued the noble GOP battle against mothers, wives, and daughters by opposing renewal of the Violence Against Women Act, a law that has historically had bipartisan support.

So, what are these awful sneaky political maneuvers the Democrats are pulling? Mandatory abortions for every woman planning on naming their babies "Jayden?" Guaranteed $100,000 government jobs for women who don't like how that guy looked at them that one time? Replacement of all "with the Stars" shows with Michael Moore documentaries about corporate greed? Not exactly. The issues that Sessions thinks "invite opposition" include an expansion of domestic violence services for American Indian women living on reservations and women in rural areas. The expanded law also buttresses the definition of "domestic violence" to include stalking. But the part of the Violence Against Women act that really chaps Jeff Sessions' ass is the provision that would grants temporary visas to undocumented immigrants who are victims of domestic abuse and expand domestic violence services to same-sex couples. Those wiley liberals with their sneaky and divisive plans to reach out to underserved women and acknowledge the need for domestic violence services for same sex couples! What a bit of despicable political gamesmanship."


The GOP......bringing America back(ward)!



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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 7:07:56 AM   
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this one is awesome too -

Limbaugh Explains His Pet Term "New Castrati": Men Who Are "Bullied By Women And The Power Structure And Liberalism"

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201203160010


You think this is awesome as in good? He indicates this term is one he uses because some men lack "manhood", balls and suck up to fems. He indicates it is not a good thing. I suppose in general most men would agree to that particular point. I do and I suppose nobody can deny that in a general sense so why do you think that is awesome good or awesome bad, such as the case may be?

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 7:08:41 AM   
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Erieangel was explaining that opening car doors and bringing gifts is NOT mutually exclusive from holding women in contempt and treating them badly.

Nice slam on the "marriage failure" comment too, Arturas.

You noticed that too ,eh?
The poster tells us of an ex husband that beat her,this genius comes along and characterizes this as her"marriage failure"
Do we really need any more information from Arturas in order to form an opinion as to what sort of hail fellow he might be?
Speaking solely for myself,I can state without any hesitance that my opinion is formed ,set,and unlikely to change.
Now s much as I like talking to the mods(I really do) I think I will skip the conversation this time around and just keep what I think of Arturas to myself,I'm quite sure most of the regular posters here can divine what I think of this chap

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 7:14:09 AM   
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"New Castrati" says a guy on his 4th marriage.........not sure if he should be a role model for what a gentlemen is.


He also pointed out that he judged at the Miss America pageant, as proof he "loves" women.......



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLc49QCc6jU





"It doesn't look like Michelle Obama follows her own nutritionary dietary advice. And then we hear that she's out eating ribs at 1500 calories a serving with 141 grams of fat ... No, I'm trying to say that our first lady does not project the image of women that you might see on the cover of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue or of a woman Alex Rodriguez might date every six months or what have you." –Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 21, 2011

Totally respctful of women....as chatle or sexual objects.....

Rush Limbaugh: 'I love the women's movement -- especially when walking behind it'






I am not sure I follow all that. I did watch the video you linked to and saw Rush dancing with women in some venue where we was asked to judge with and for women.

His remarks on the First Lady seems to point out a marked contrast with the way she wants women to do what she says but not what she does. Since he watches the First Family closely I suspect he did not make this up.

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 7:15:42 AM   
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this one is awesome too -

Limbaugh Explains His Pet Term "New Castrati": Men Who Are "Bullied By Women And The Power Structure And Liberalism"

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201203160010


You think this is awesome as in good? He indicates this term is one he uses because some men lack "manhood", balls and suck up to fems. He indicates it is not a good thing. I suppose in general most men would agree to that particular point. I do and I suppose nobody can deny that in a general sense so why do you think that is awesome good or awesome bad, such as the case may be?

In general most men would not agree because most real men can accept women as their equals and find ways to interact with women on that basis. That misogynists like Rush are intimidated and feel emasculated by women who expect/demand to be treated as equals is just too damn bad.

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 7:16:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JanahX

this one is awesome too -

Limbaugh Explains His Pet Term "New Castrati": Men Who Are "Bullied By Women And The Power Structure And Liberalism"

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201203160010


You think this is awesome as in good? He indicates this term is one he uses because some men lack "manhood", balls and suck up to fems. He indicates it is not a good thing. I suppose in general most men would agree to that particular point. I do and I suppose nobody can deny that in a general sense so why do you think that is awesome good or awesome bad, such as the case may be?

I "suck up to woman" all the time...so what.
I guess,if it was at all important to me,I could have a goodly number of those woman who "I suck up to.." send you testimonials attesting to and affirming my manhood....but seeing as proving my manhood to you means absolutely nothing to me,I shall skip it and spend my time in more productive ways....such as sucking up to the woman I am currently sucking up to.....see,I do that.than She in gratitude treats me nice....and I likes being treated "nice"

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 7:30:22 AM   
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"It would take quite a monumental asshole to oppose providing assistance to victims of domestic violence. But, here we are in 2012, enmeshed in serious discussions about whether a woman's boss should be able to decide what health care she's allowed to purchase through insurance


I am not sure how Republicans promote domestic violence by your statement.

If by "how a woman's boss is able to decide what health care she's allow to purchase through insurance" you mean the employer gets to decide what benefits they will offer if any women or man comes to work for for them as a part of their compensation package, I suggest the answer is yes because this is a free country and you get to pick what company you work for based on what compensation package is attractive to you and so companies are free to add coverage or money to their offer of employment in order to attract you. Because this is a free country you are free to work for the company that gives you the compensation package you like best and if that happens to be a company that adds free condoms or birth control pills or viagra and that is what will cause you to leave or stay or even change jobs to get or avoid then that is your freedom too. In short, you are not forced to work for anyone nor is anyone forced to employ you much less employ you on terms somebody else dictates unless you work in a unionized organization and even then it is negoticated not mandated.

So, as they say, "where's the beef"?

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 7:33:23 AM   
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My ex-husband used to open car doors for me; he also bought me presents; we also had a family together. Want to know what else he did to show me how much he "cared" for me??
He beat me.

With this:

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your past personal marrage failure

You have blamed the victim of the abuse?

Kinda reminds me of something...

Let's see...

Ah, here it is:

Georgia State Lawmaker Seeks To Redefine Rape Victims As 'Accusers'

A Republican state legislator in Georgia doesn't like the term rape "victim." In fact, he has introduced a bill mandating that state criminal codes refer to these people as, simply, "accusers" -- until there's a conviction in the matter.

The legislation introduced by state Rep. Bobby Franklin (R-Marietta) would cover a number of crimes including rape, stalking and domestic violence

...Rape and sexual assault are chronically underreported crimes. According to the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network, "60% of rapes/sexual assaults are not reported to the police, according to a statistical average of the past 5 years. Those rapists, of course, never spend a day in prison. Factoring in unreported rapes, only about 6% of rapists ever serve a day in jail." Under Franklin's definition, all of these people who didn't report their crimes aren't actually victims -- because there is never a conviction.

"To be classified, off the bat, as an accuser instead of as a victim places one more barrier to reporting the crime to the authorities," writes Amie Newman at RH Reality Check, who points out that Franklin's state of Georgia ranks 11th out of the 50 states and the District of Columbia for incidences of forcible rape.

Jennifer White, attorney for legal programs at the Family Violence Prevention Fund, said that even when victims do come forward, prosecutions and convictions are still often incredibly difficult to get.

"Changing, just for these particular crimes, the word 'victim' to 'accuser' really buys into an outdated and disproved myth about victims who come forward with these kinds of allegations," said White. "I think it's a sad reality that for some reason, it's easier for society, in some respects, to believe that a victim would fabricate this type of crime than to believe that a person is capable of committing certain atrocities. And it really has a chilling effect for victims who already have an extremely difficult time coming forward."

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 7:42:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas


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ORIGINAL: JanahX

this one is awesome too -

Limbaugh Explains His Pet Term "New Castrati": Men Who Are "Bullied By Women And The Power Structure And Liberalism"

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201203160010


You think this is awesome as in good? He indicates this term is one he uses because some men lack "manhood", balls and suck up to fems. He indicates it is not a good thing. I suppose in general most men would agree to that particular point. I do and I suppose nobody can deny that in a general sense so why do you think that is awesome good or awesome bad, such as the case may be?

I "suck up to woman" all the time...so what.
I guess,if it was at all important to me,I could have a goodly number of those woman who "I suck up to.." send you testimonials attesting to and affirming my manhood....but seeing as proving my manhood to you means absolutely nothing to me,I shall skip it and spend my time in more productive ways....such as sucking up to the woman I am currently sucking up to.....see,I do that.than She in gratitude treats me nice....and I likes being treated "nice"


I agree you do not need to prove your manhood to me.

I don't do that. I take them out to dinner, open doors for them and give them flowers because I like them, I have great esteem for them, I like seeing them smile, I like to make them laugh, they are the ying to my yang.

- This seems to be a part of being a man to me.

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 7:43:56 AM   
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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 8:00:47 AM   
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Do you not see that by responding to this:


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My ex-husband used to open car doors for me; he also bought me presents; we also had a family together. Want to know what else he did to show me how much he "cared" for me??
He beat me.

With this:

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your past personal marrage failure
You have blamed the victim of the abuse?


No. I did not blame her for anything except perhaps a personal insult to me. Instead, I told her it was unjustified to use the cause of this marriage failure, the one she brought into this conversation, as justification to insult me personally online by saying I am "full of Crap", which was a personal insult I feel is miss-placed here and unjustified. Completely. Perhaps even violating TOS.

So, I cannot see how I "blamed the victim". Can you explain a little more how I am blaming her for being a victim and how her being a victum justifies saying I am "full of crap" when I suggested her being a victim does not support any postion that GOP men are beating their female partners and then making up for it by doing all Rush and I said we like to do because we said we hold them in esteem?

P.S. I need to pause this. I have to get the lawn tractor online for spring cutting and then clean up and take Tam in to town, open doors for her, rub down her feet and legs tonight after her work out but not because I might have beat her recently and she has just now healed up enough to do so, which did not happen, but because we enjoy it doing for each other and are not anti-women or anti-men on her part. Wonder of wonders.

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 8:14:10 AM   
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UGH !!!

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201203150010



Close. Like MSNBC is close to the truth by taking some of it and spinning the hell out of it and then repeating it until they think everyone believes it.

I listened to the recording. He said Republicans do not "war" on women because Republican men do not "war" on the same people for whom they show their esteem and for whom they outwardly shown this when they marry them, have a family with them, buy them presents, open car doors for them and take them to dinner. These are all indications that you care about that person, that gender, not that you "war on them", and of course he is right and of course women know this.




Women also know that many of the things you just described: dinner, and presents such as diamonds and flowers are also 'tools' to get into their pants and have nothing to do with holding them in high esteem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr3E94fVifk

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 8:17:32 AM   
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You can characterize allowing an employer to exclude birth control as "freedom of choice" if you want to, Arty, and I would expect nothing less. But, in Kansas, abortion cover age MUST be excluded from health insurance unless a woman buys a special abortion policy. So, an employer cannot include it in his general coverage, even if he wants to. How does that relate to freedom of choice? In that same state, abortion cannot be deducted for tax purposes as a health care cost, and, unlike other treatments, is subject to sales tax.
There is definitely a war on women, and the weapon is money.


Ok. One more.

First, I am not "Arty".

Second. How does excluding "birth control or abortion coverage" remove freedom because not paying for something is not taking away a freedom otherwise my freedom to drive would require my first employer or the taxpayer to buy me a car on my 16th birthday and keep it maintained for ever or buy me a new one.

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 10:58:33 AM   
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I need a "Slut Lovers Vote" avatar.


Maybe Lucy(lastic) can hook you up, she gave me mine!!

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 11:11:56 AM   
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[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr3E94fVifk


This was great!!!! Thanks, angelika!!

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 11:28:09 AM   
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If by "how a woman's boss is able to decide what health care she's allow to purchase through insurance" you mean the employer gets to decide what benefits they will offer if any women or man comes to work for for them as a part of their compensation package,


That's not how Health Insurance works in the U.S. He EMPLOYER calls up the INSURER and gets quotes for their eligible group.

The EMPLOYER then forwards the packets to the EMPLOYEES.

The EMPLOYEES make their elections, and signs a contract WITH THE INSURER. **PLEASE NOTE: THE **CONTRACT** IS BETWEEN THE INSURED AND THE INSURER** THE EMPLOYER IS NOT A PARTY TO THIS CONTRACT, NOR ARE THEY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY PREMIUMS PAID BY THE EMPLOYEE PRE-TAX - FROM THEIR TOTAL COMPENSATION PACKAGE!

So, saying that the EMPLOYER should have any say in the PRIVATE CONTRACT BETWEEN THE INSURED AND THE INSURER is JUST PLAIN CRAZY.

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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 1:12:42 PM   
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Before you assume that this is just because I'm female and don't know any better, my husband feels the same way. So does every thinking adult male in my general vicinity.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled mudfest. Over and out.



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RE: Rush Suggests GOP Is Not Anti-Woman Because Republi... - 3/17/2012 1:32:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Alright, if it were up to Rush and his supporters, women would have no right to birth control, or anything else. I guess that means they want to repeal the 19th amendment.

And I guess Arcturus supports the Republicans move against birth control and any other women's health issue.

This gets me into trouble since I am a Catholic (by the way there are other religions against birth control, see mormons)

A woman, in my opinion has the right to choose birth control or abortion, understanding that they will have to face whatever the consequences are with their creator. The government does not have the right to deny those things to a woman.

One more point I would like to make, considering how fast the world population is growing, it is estimated we will reach critical population mass around the next century... So, how do you people against abortion and birth control plan to feed everyone then?

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