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Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 12:19:10 PM   
TheHeretic


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Status: offline 		Proving once again that the Democrats would rather campaign and demonize the opposition than govern in any sort of effective manner, the Senate is getting ready to turn the Violence Against Women act into the next talking point in their crafted narrative. The law has been around since 1994, and would walk right through a reauthorization, allowing them time to discuss, oh, I don't know, a budget maybe, but that would make entirely too much sense.

Accusations fly in Senate over Violence Against Women Act

The headlines just write themselves, don't they? Coming soon to the fundraising emails in your inbox, and a dozen threads near you.

Because God forbid this election should involve talking about issues not created by the DNC focus groups...
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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 12:22:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		So what exactly is wrong with increasing availibility of battered woman programs in rural and Native American communities? Or maybe your problem is in including same sex couples in the law? Or is your issue that you think undocumented women should be beaten without recourse?

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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 12:23:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Reauthorization is currently being debated in the Senate. Both parties have submitted their own updated version of the bill, one by Sen. Patrick Leahy _D-VT), the other by Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA). With both versions of the bill, the Senate judiciary committee voted along partisan lines for their party's version of the bill.

Two bills.  Got a link to those?  Hard to know what is being said as lip service and what is the truth without actually seeing them.


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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 12:32:08 PM   
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So what exactly is wrong with increasing availibility of battered woman programs in rural and Native American communities? Or maybe your problem is in including same sex couples in the law? Or is your issue that you think undocumented women should be beaten without recourse?



What's wrong with it, Ken, is that the Senate would rather tinker with an 18 year old law, so they can have election year press conferences about that, and sling slurs about how some people must be in favor of violence against women, than get on with some actual work.


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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 12:32:54 PM   
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How about this ??which I reported in another thread
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/related/proposals/sb507
The first part of the bill...states
An Act to amend 48.982 (2) (g) 2., 48.982 (2) (g) 4. and 48.982 (2) (gm) of the
statutes; relating to: requiring the Child Abuse and Neglect Prevention Board
to emphasize nonmarital parenthood as a contributing factor to child abuse and
neglect.

Wisconsin State Senator Don Pridemore has signed onto fellow State Senator Glenn Grothman’s bill that blames unmarried parents as contributing to child abuse and neglect. However, Pridemore has taken the matter of abuse a step further by commenting on domestic abuse.

Is there a connection between domestic abuse of partners and child abuse? Sure there is, but that isn’t the line Pridemore is drawing. Like Grothman, Pridemore sees marriage as some type of cure-all to troubled relationships. In an interview with TMJ4 in Milwaukee, Pridemore explained that a spouse whaling on another spouse, and the spouse victimized by those beatings, just need to rekindle their love and all will be fine.

“If they can refind those reasons and get back to why they got married in the first place it might help,” said Pridemore.

It seemed that Grothman had a simplistic solution to child abuse by believing that marriage fixes troubled relationships. Pridemore’s views are worse than simplistic. They are dangerous for the victimized spouse.
Grothman and Pridemore’s views also point out to the circular and irrational argument that they are making. Grothman takes the argument that child abuse will decrease in a married relationship. Child abuse often goes hand in hand with other forms of domestic abuse. However, Pridemore admits that domestic abuse occurs in married relationships but the solution to that is to stay together.

Problems in a relationship? Well, then get married. Still problems in a relationship? Stay married. These guys are quite the problem solvers.
Your avoidance of said topics is louder than spouting condescension tho..



So much for the idea that marriage is the cure for troubled relationships. Both men miss the point that the quality of relationships is the problem. They also miss the point that the marriage solution that they back is not even a Band-aid. It may even worsen an abusive situation.




Take off the blinders and stop being so damn condescending.

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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 12:33:53 PM   
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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 12:37:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Im not sure that is true, Rich.  In relation to american tribes, a man, who is not a native american but lives on a reservation, can commit the crime of rape or domestic violence and not be held accountable.

http://www.nativelegalupdate.com/2012/02/articles/federal-prosecutions-still-weak-for-crimes-on-reservations/

This does sound like a valid issue.


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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 12:39:40 PM   
TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

poor Rich.cant handle what other people find important to discuss.




No, Lucy, just disgusted by people who get led around by the nose on what they are supposed to discuss.

Since Obama can't present a record on why people should support him, the best they can do is figure out where they might be able to convince a group where he's slipping in the polls that the Republicans are worse.


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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 12:40:12 PM   
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Many Republicans were furious at that suggestion and accused Democrats of election-year politics by trying to paint Republicans as anti-women.

Funny - I thought the R's were doing a pretty good job of painting that canvas themselves.

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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 12:44:14 PM   
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Come on. You have to get your priorities straight. What's more important...taking care of the financial mess we are in or demonizing 1/2 the country? After all, there are elections coming up.

I agree,getting our priorities in order should be job #1.Just the other day Republican want to be candidate Rick Santurom let us know that as President he would come down hard on the porn industry.
Yep,getting those priorities in place is very important.Rick is going to make sure they speak English in P.R. too

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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 12:47:08 PM   
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This does sound like a valid issue.




When was the last time the Senate had a budget on the floor, Tazzy? Has Congress authorized Obama's deployment of military ground forces to Uganda yet?

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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 12:51:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is Uganda more important than the crimes against women?

Is a budget, by your own agreement, that has not been passed in years, more important than women being beaten, raped, killed and their attackers getting away because the federal government refuses to prosecute and the tribes have no jurisdiction? 


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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 1:06:26 PM   
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I missed the threads on how House Republicans were wasting time by staging a reading of the Constitution or organizing a hearing on who pays for birth control.

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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 1:06:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Crimes against women have no importance to Republicans or Conservatives, it has been made very clear.

100 Troops are in Uganda. Not like the number that BUSH sent to Afghanistan and Iraq, and as we all know, Iraq was based on lies and half truths, not that the right will admit to it.


In case no one on the right has noticed, this entire campaign on the right has been about RESTRICTING the rights of women. Women who use birth control, according to the rightist talking heads are sluts and whores. That must mean that women who are raped were asking for it, women who were beat were asking for it.

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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 1:10:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I understand Rich's point.. and his is valid.  However, I dont understand the desire to simply dismiss this issue because of the belief... Im not even sure why.. because its not a national issue?  Yet arent the hands of the tribes, which is merely one point being raised on the floor, and there are others just as important, a result of the lack of attention of the federal government who is supposed to be protecting these women and prosecuting these men?  Or is it, heaven forbid and I am not saying this is at all Rich's opinion... but is the point on the floor that these are not "american female citizens" so they dont count as much?

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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 1:15:25 PM   
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Is Uganda more important than the crimes against women?

Is a budget, by your own agreement, that has not been passed in years, more important than women being beaten, raped, killed and their attackers getting away because the federal government refuses to prosecute and the tribes have no jurisdiction? 




Yes, Tazzy, when you factor in that we already have the Violence Against Women act, and have had for it damn near 20 years. You're fucking A right that an illegal military deployment to a whole new theater, and a budget for the country are more important than treaty loopholes, when a "sovereign" body doesn't address every incident.

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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 1:22:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Last time the Senate had a budget on the floor, things didn't go well. Does the next band aid fix get voted on before or after the Nov election?

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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 1:25:19 PM   
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I missed the threads on how House Republicans were wasting time by staging a reading of the Constitution or organizing a hearing on who pays for birth control.

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Taken in the spirit offered, DC.

Yes, Congress is a pit of politics, no matter who is charge, but the Chair of the House Armed Services committee gave a speech last week, saying that unless we fix the issues created by sequestration, we are going to have pre-WWII troop levels, and a Navy smaller than what we had before WWI, in a few short years, and the top Google hit for that story is a local newspaper.

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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 1:35:37 PM   
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So what exactly is wrong with increasing availibility of battered woman programs in rural and Native American communities? Or maybe your problem is in including same sex couples in the law? Or is your issue that you think undocumented women should be beaten without recourse?



What's wrong with it, Ken, is that the Senate would rather tinker with an 18 year old law, so they can have election year press conferences about that, and sling slurs about how some people must be in favor of violence against women, than get on with some actual work.



So, in your opinion, no law should ever be improved? Even though this very law has been improved each of the previous times it was reauthorized?

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RE: Next up on the Democrat manipulation of women agenda - 3/18/2012 1:39:18 PM   
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So, in your opinion, no law should ever be improved?



Do you put up new pictures your bathroom, Ken, before you fix an overflowing toilet?

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