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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/21/2012 10:42:52 AM   
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It is kind of fun to see what he comes up with though in his contortions to say BDSM is bad. It's like being in kindergarten again. The online counseling thing was a hoot as are his other offerings that are thought by him to be serious discussion points. It's candy, fun and empty.

I do always feel guilty for indulging in reading this type of thread because it's a sadistic pleasure watching the OP try to justify his pronouncements. Kind of like torture for me- I feel guilty one minute for reading, I'm laughing the next at what was written.

Oh wait, I like torture. Heh, guess that explains why I'm here

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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/21/2012 10:50:13 AM   
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Isn't everyone on here a bdsm addict?


NO. Why in the world would you think such a lame thing? And that is a most inappropriate presumption to make.

Many if not most of us are here because we enjoy the company of fellows. Simply becasue we like a certain thing doesn't define us in that way. Sorry it does for you.

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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/21/2012 11:05:46 AM   
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The funny thing is, there IS help in the UK to get help with addiction of any kind.

Go to a GP, tell them you're addicted to kinky sex and is messing with your head. They will refer you to the local psychiatric service and they will arrange for FREE counselling. When I was depressed after my dad's death I was offered a range of therapies, including cognitive behaviour therapy. All free, gratis and cost nothing through the NHS.

I spoke to my counsellor (in passing) about my role as a submissive in my relationship, and he told me it was a good thing because it gave me support and structure during a time of chaotic emotions.

Oh, wait...that means the OP wouldn't find a trained therapist to tell him it's all evil and wrong and try to cure him.

Dammit.

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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/21/2012 4:19:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: submaleuk12

Why is there so little out there?

Surely if bdsm is to be accepted, people who want to get out of the scene should be treated with as much respect.

After all there is help for sex addiction, alcohol, drug addiction, why so liitle for bdsm?

What do people think?


The issue was not the BDSM.

The issue is your feelings about wanting to engage in BDSM activities and the conflict that you personally feel because it "goes against [your] moral compass".

You have not said why it goes against your moral compass.

Your issue was never the BDSM itself.


Example: I like anal play.
I don't like that I like it.
That creates an inner conflict, which depending on how it is handled will either result in:

1) My feeling bad (shame, embarrassment, guilt) about myself IF I choose to engage in anal play.
2) I avoid anal play, but obsess about it.
3)My deciding that if I avoid anal play I won't have those feelings of conflict and can do so without obsession.
4) I engage in anal play and experience my feelings... and find myself enjoying the push and pull of desire vs shame.
5) I decide to slowly explore those feelings I have about anal play: liking it, not liking that I like it- and I work through my emotional hang-ups regarding anal play and eventually can participate in it fully and joyously without shame.

I think you had difficulty finding help because you really couldn't articulate your issues... and perhaps you can't because you don't really know/understand what they are.
Therapists aren't mind readers.

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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/21/2012 5:08:47 PM   
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I think spending time on a BDSM site and asking how to "recover" from BDSM is sort of counterproductive. :)



Not if you are into humiliation or perhaps looking for attention. This thread was started yesterday and it's already up to 7 pages.

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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/21/2012 5:16:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: submaleuk12

Isn't everyone on here a bdsm addict?


no

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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/22/2012 7:51:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: EllenofTroy

You seem like a deep thinking fellow. Perhaps you should delve deeper within your psyche to see if you are indeed addicted to being thoroughly obnoxious, annoying, combative, whiney and perpetually seeking negative attention. You may find that bdsm is the least of your issues.



Ellen FTW!

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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/22/2012 5:19:37 PM   
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I call zee bullsheet on Mickel... especially when says something silly like this:

"More recently Mickel Therapy has started to work with the quantum physics concepts. In its most simplistic form we look at how each of us have our own layer of energy or electromagnetic field which is a blueprint of ourselves. This layer draws in towards it energy from situations, often it can seem like we land ourselves in situations time & time again. It is where our own energy & that of a situation meet that the emotion is spontaneously created

Jesus. I've working in electromagnetics, and had to learn quantum theory, and that's bullsshit.

...and he councils via skype and email

... and he has international marketing directors

... and he works via testamonials

There are a million zillion cures out there for fibro/cfs.

Now, my rheumatologist labeled me with the f-word. Every visit I protest it. But! I have 3 autoimmune diseases and am taking 2 meds to suppress my immune system, which saves me from getting tagged with the "mentally tweaked" category.

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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/22/2012 5:28:43 PM   
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BDSM is often just a sexual thing.  If you are addicted to the sexual aspects of it, you may have a sex addiction, but then you are addicted to sex in general, not just BDSM.  People don't have a "missionary position addiction" or a "sex before my coffee" addiction.

If you really think you have an addiction, you have to avoid the triggers.  Don't go on porn or sex related websites, see a therapist, all that good stuff.  Like others have said, you are blaming something that's not a cause.

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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/24/2012 6:50:08 AM   
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For one BDSM comes in many shapes, forms and sizes. Its practiced from the very minor to the extreme. It can either be sexual or mental.
BDSM can not catergorized as a mental illness it can have some very positive aspects, it depends on the individuals. Now take some of the individuals, and if they are practicing destructive actions to themselves or others the Actions could be considered some kind of mental illness.
There is probably very little help out there under the name BDSM addiction, because its to varied, its to wide of a spectrum. If it is causing you distress, you should not look at BDSM as the problem but the individual action you are performing in it that is distressing. Once you figure that out, then Im sure there is help for that out there.

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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/24/2012 7:07:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

*nods in a sage manner and hopes I can pull it off convincingly*


Yup. you were able to pull it off this thyme.

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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/24/2012 7:17:34 AM   
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I think maybe submale doesnt want to be cured.
Sort of a new strain of subs.
So they can scream PLEASE STOP I DONT LIKE IT
The subaddict.

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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/24/2012 8:11:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: submaleuk12

I'm seeking help, ive already got it, the reason why I'm here is in m first post.

Why do people get so annoyed and offended when I say how I feel?



Um, go a Christian website and ask them how to overcome your Christian addiction and see what kind of reception you get.

In fact I'm not sure you're not a ringer yourself, this some new attempt at stealth conversion? Been getting some of that in here lately - if not, might be a good place for you, I'm sure there some congregations somewhere would love to make you their project.

Most people in here are here to explore their sexuality, not "cure" it. What you are experiencing is probably what is called "reversion to the norm" it' not uncommon in BDSM, although for most people they just develop other interests and spend less and less time thinking about and doing it, for some people it is just a phase, others accept no substitutes.

Find another hobby that satisfies your need for stimulation, exercise, a sport, a mental challenge, etc., at the very least it might put it into perspective, i.e., one aspect or facet of your life and personality rather than your entire identity.

It would help perhaps if you told us what exactly the problem is: you cruising public restrooms? Nailing your dick to the coffee table? What?



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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/24/2012 10:13:28 AM   
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I'll skip away from everything else and focus only on this one line. This seems to be a thought that arises a lot in this thread.

"I'm not advising no one on anything, I was asking why is there not help for people who don't like bdsm, is that still such a taboo subject? "

The reason there isn't help for people who dont like BDSM is... why would one need "help" for NOT liking BDSM? Are you in fact asking for help TO LIKE BDSM? Or should I say wow, you dont like BDSM, let me help you not like BDSM. Do you understand where you are going awry with this line of reasoning?

I think part of the problem for the poster is, you are very inarticulate. And because you are not adept at expressing yourself in writing, we are having trouble understanding you. There's a lot of double negatives in your phrasings. To me double negatives turn things into a positive. If you are not advising no one, are you in fact advising everyone? Your thoughts are in facts confused.

Please try not to be offended. I mean you no harm. Its just that when I try to really delve into exactly what you are trying to say in a concise way, your wording and thoughts evaporate.

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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/24/2012 12:17:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: submaleuk12

Why is there so little out there? I couldn't tell you if there is help out there or not. I've never gone looking for it. Why would I, I am content in my own skin.

Surely if bdsm is to be accepted, people who want to get out of the scene should be treated with as much respect. If you want to get out, it's easy. Just don't participate. We won't hunt you down and drag you back. Not even if you want us too


After all there is help for sex addiction, alcohol, drug addiction, why so liitle for bdsm? Again, couldn't tell you if there is help or not. Would you go into a pub and ask why they have no help for someone trying to quit.

What do people think? I think the real issue is you. Why are you not happy in your own skin. If you were homosexual, would you look for a cure? Straight, would you look for a cure? Vanilla, would you look for a cure? Do you see the pattern? The problem is that you can not accept who/what you are. If you find acceptance, you will be a lot happier. If you really cannot accept it, don't participate. Find something else to focus on. Acceptance is the key to everything.




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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/24/2012 1:45:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: submaleuk12

It is for some people


then why are you here? This is a site FOR BDSM people. If it bothers you, go to Harmony.com or something to meet new people.

That is like going to a golfing site and asking why there is nothing for people who don't want to golf. Not productive, or very smart.

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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/24/2012 1:51:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: xssve


quote:

ORIGINAL: submaleuk12

I'm seeking help, ive already got it, the reason why I'm here is in m first post.

Why do people get so annoyed and offended when I say how I feel?



Um, go a Christian website and ask them how to overcome your Christian addiction and see what kind of reception you get.

In fact I'm not sure you're not a ringer yourself, this some new attempt at stealth conversion? Been getting some of that in here lately - if not, might be a good place for you, I'm sure there some congregations somewhere would love to make you their project.

Most people in here are here to explore their sexuality, not "cure" it. What you are experiencing is probably what is called "reversion to the norm" it' not uncommon in BDSM, although for most people they just develop other interests and spend less and less time thinking about and doing it, for some people it is just a phase, others accept no substitutes.

Find another hobby that satisfies your need for stimulation, exercise, a sport, a mental challenge, etc., at the very least it might put it into perspective, i.e., one aspect or facet of your life and personality rather than your entire identity.

It would help perhaps if you told us what exactly the problem is: you cruising public restrooms? Nailing your dick to the coffee table? What?




So we got people trying to convert people? Well i can tell you it is not possible. i spent a decades trying to convert, transform, trick myself into vanilla and it doesn't work any better than a converting a gay person. Some people may be experimenters, tourists or whatever, but those of us who are lifers are not going to change no matter what. i think that is a fine thing because i love being me more than i tolerated being someone else.

All you converters can go jack off somewhere since i am sure you got your eyefuls first and go fix your own lives. IF you feel the messianic need to barge into other's lives- that means you need to fix your own. Now GO!


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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/25/2012 1:54:44 PM   
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I found this article. If the poster is looking for help to ween him off BDSM, there's a line in here that explains how this surrogate sex worker might help. I dont know if his kink is sexual or what, since the poster nicely never told us exactly what the problem is. So certainly none of us here can help him.

But now we know there's outside assistance at least. Now he's just gotta cough up some dough! Part of me thinks the second a complaining person is asked to put money where mouth is, that's the second the problem vanishes. One way or another....problem solved! :)

http://nymag.com/nymetro/nightlife/sex/columns/nakedcity/n_8542/

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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/25/2012 2:09:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: submaleuk12
Would people not find the links offensive?


Actually I do find those links kind of offensive. Any time I run across something so obviously holier than thou and closed minded I find it offensive. As to those "links backing that up" as you put it, I only see the opinions of the persons posting them. And as my father told me a long time ago, "Opinions are like a##holes, everybody has one". Does that make it wrong for everyone? No. Check out the DSM and see what the opinion is there. If you really want help, wouldn't it be better to go to a priest, minister or a vanilla therapist? I have no doubt that any of them could "cure" you of this problem you have. I hear you can even get an Exorcism if you have a good enough case (sorry I couldn't resist)

quote:

ORIGINAL: submaleuk12
I never had a panic attack in my life before I tried bdsm, or had anxiety or depression, so I'll have to disagree with you there.



I had panic attacks and anxiety before I began explording BDSM, so I'd have to disagree with you there.


quote:

ORIGINAL: submaleuk12
Isn't everyone on here a bdsm addict?


I'm not an addict. I don't have an adictive personality.  Some people do, some people don't.  I hold down a very good job, I have family, I have other things in my life, so no I don't consider myself addicted to anything, with the exception of maybe Dr. Who episodes.

quote:

ORIGINAL: submaleuk12
why are people so offended by that?



Wouldn't you feel offended if someone waltzed into your life and told you that the only right way to do things was their way, even though your life was working fine? Or someone was trying to "cure" you of something that makes you happy? 

Everyone has given you really good alternatives, if it's not for you, don't do it.  If you have an adictive personality and can't seem to just walk away, seek professional help.  But don't try to tell everyone that your way is the only way. 

edited for typos

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RE: Help to recover from bdsm.. - 3/25/2012 3:15:46 PM   
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You said:
quote:


I want to know why people who want to get over bdsm is such a taboo subject....


All I posted here is why are people not offered help if they want out of it, like with alcohol etc and reaction is and anger of people is unreal.


And I'd like to kindly point out that:

1- People did try to offer you help by assisting you in figuring out what went wrong with your attempts to seek help. Someone, for example, calmly mentioned that a trained professional would not behave in a way you would be able to perceive as "offended" when mentioning you wanted to attempt to treat your inclination toward BDSM. They advised that you seek alternative professional assistance.

2- If you had not provided the links to some sort of assistance yourself, you probably would have been advised to do an internet search to find whatever information there was available. I'll discuss those search results more later.

3- People are not behaving in a super offended and angry way. You say the anger of people is unreal. I think you mean something different but you are correct: It is unreal, it is not happening. They are merely engaging in a discussion with you to learn more about what is going on or to call you out on what they believe is absurd, attention-seeking, or condemning dialog you've brought up. Even in those cases they do not seem offended or strongly emotionally invested what so ever.

Some people might be defensive. This is a tricky emotion to observe and assign a catalyst for. You seem to be assigning "offense" as why they are defensive. But other people may have alternative motives like--- being tired of people questioning their lifestyle, insecurities, unresolved doubt about the morality themselves, etc etc. My point is... we just don't know WHY. And it's silly/ineffective to attempt to draw a conclusion about why with such little evidence to document.

and finally 4- It is clearly not a taboo subject to "overcome" BDSM inclinations. No one here has attempted to shut you down. They attempted, initially, to understand you and offer you help and support in what ways they were familiar with. No one here is concerned whether an individual finds BDSM to be a bad life choice for their own life. They probably wouldn't even be THAT offended if you thought it was bad for them personally too. They're used similar attitudes and are probably beyond becoming offended. Most people in the BDSM lifestyle have a strong sense of autonomy and wish that everyone would simply tolerate other's choices. Most people would not be threatened by another person concluding BDSM wasn't a good choice for their self alone.

I can say for sure, myself... I do not feel offended, I do not think the topic is taboo. And I accept anyone's choice to remove themselves from the lifestyle (this or any) if for WHATEVER reason, it is something that doesn't uplift their quality of life and instead brings them any form of pain or discomfort. I am not threatened or disturbed by this at all. It seems completely reasonable to me.

Additionally, I think that "the Internet" in general is an excellent place to search for help. If I wanted to remove myself from a concerning Activity... I would, using logic, not solicit the individuals who were NOT having an issue with that activity for advice on how to leave said Activity. Nor would I assume that population of people to have much beneficial knowledge for me on the topic. I might, generally inquire something like "Has anyone ever heard of someone deciding Said Activity is bad for them? What did those people do about that concern? What would you do if you were concerned?" Those kinds of opinion and experienced based questions would be the maximum level of valuable information I'd expect to get from the Said Activity Participators.

It would be akin to visiting a porn store if I had a porn addiction or feared one and then attempted to make inquiries about how to remove myself from porn through consulting the clerk or porn actress. Clearly, those people are not going to have useful information. I would conclude it was absurd of me to expect that they would, NOT demand, why those people didn't have the information I wanted. And lastly, I did a simple, hasty search of "BDSM help" and found QUITE a bit of information that might assist me in recovery from BDSM. I also found BDSM support. This tells me that help with leaving the BDSM lifestyle is totally accessible. And if morality were an aspect of my concern... I'd head to church and if I chose a conservative or moderate church, they'd all probably agree and have LOTS more support and help with leaving the lifestyle. It makes a LOT more sense to go to a Church for support than the practitioners online forums.

I think your questions have been adequately answered. I hope that you have peace of mind now and can move along with your life successfully. If you want to provide information to people who MIGHT be concerned about BDSM as a potential detriment to their life, why not make up a website with a variety of information about BDSM. If your concern is lack of information, take initiative and collect all the information and research you can and provide it to others for free.

You clearly have plenty of free time on your hands. If you spent your time away from collarme.com forums you could create the website within a week or two. Furthermore you could probably host it for free.

I hope this was helpful and again, you have peace of mind.



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