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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I saw where Homeschoolers tend to score higher on the SAT and ACT (there are multiple articles) but I think the point of this thread is ALL homeschoolers, not just the college-bound ones. Apparently, in some religious communities, it is customary to teach the girls just enough to read a recipe book and not quite enough to balance a check book. Science is EVULLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. The boys go to college, the girls are turned into baby making machines.
In this case, the boys would be the only ones showing up on the statistics as the girls wouldn't take college entrance exams.

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Not only do I find that hard to believe ,I would offer that it is ,in the end,immaterial ,school teaches a child a whole lot more than what test scores indicate.
Where are the socialization skills ?
Where is the ability to cope with others developed ?
Where do dissenting ideas originate from ?
Where is critical thinking taught ?
How about problem solving.....the kind that doesn't appear on a test ?
Problem solving that involves dealing with others,who just might be a little different from yourself?
Where does the child learn all of this ?

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ORIGINAL: FelineFae

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Not only do I find that hard to believe ,I would offer that it is ,in the end,immaterial ,school teaches a child a whole lot more than what test scores indicate.
Where are the socialization skills ?
Where is the ability to cope with others developed ?
Where do dissenting ideas originate from ?
Where is critical thinking taught ?
How about problem solving.....the kind that doesn't appear on a test ?
Problem solving that involves dealing with others,who just might be a little different from yourself?
Where does the child learn all of this ?

They learn this by interacting with other people. Homeschooling does not mean you shut your child away from the world.

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ORIGINAL: FelineFae

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Not only do I find that hard to believe ,I would offer that it is ,in the end,immaterial ,school teaches a child a whole lot more than what test scores indicate.
Where are the socialization skills ?
Where is the ability to cope with others developed ?
Where do dissenting ideas originate from ?
Where is critical thinking taught ?
How about problem solving.....the kind that doesn't appear on a test ?
Problem solving that involves dealing with others,who just might be a little different from yourself?
Where does the child learn all of this ?

They learn this by interacting with other people. Homeschooling does not mean you shut your child away from the world.

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ORIGINAL: FelineFae

They learn this by interacting with other people. Homeschooling does not mean you shut your child away from the world.

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“We home-schooled because we wanted to protect our children from what we viewed as the total secularization of America. We listened to people like Rush Limbaugh, who told us that America was in the clutches of evil liberal feminist atheists.”…

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
If you are a well rounded and motivated person who wants to turn out well rounded motivated students, you don't. I feel that you are part of this group.

Unfortunately, some of these other groups (quiverfulls for example) homeschool for the express purpose of not exposing their children to those outside their own narrow belief system.

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ORIGINAL: From the link I provided

Socialization
Recent research is changing opinions about how well-socialized homeschooled children are. While there is a common misconception that homeschooled children may be more poorly socialized than their publicly educated peers, this may not be the case. In a meta analysis of 24 studies about homeschoolers and socialization, Dr. Susan McDowell concluded socialization was a "non-issue."

Another often-cited study is a survey conducted by Dr. Gary Knowles, a University of Michigan Assistant Professor of Education. For the study, Dr. Knowles surveyed more than 50 adults who had been homeschooled as children. In the study, Knowles found that more than 75 percent felt homeschooling had helped them learn to interact with others as an adult.

In 2000, Dr. Patricia Lines of the Discovery Institute studied the socialization of homeschooled children. She found that homeschoolers were well-adjusted, and experts were unable to distinguish homeschooled kids from children receiving a public education. In fact, homeschooled children also demonstrated fewer behavioral issues than their public school peers.

Additional studies have shown that homeschooled children participate in many activities outside of the home, which allows them positive interaction with not only their peers, but a variety of age groups.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
For decades, you could send your children to private schools in miami where they would be taught K-12 only in Spanish. In the late 80's, the state killed this over huge objections from the exile community.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Yes! Government interference with private education reduced the quality of the education. Who'd o' thunk it?



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Yes! Government interference with private education reduced the quality of the education. Who'd o' thunk it?



Peace and comfort,



Michael

I think you misunderstood me Michael.

For several decades, children could be educated in private schools and would not learn a single word of written or spoken English. They would graduate High School totally illiterate in the language most commonly used in this country. There would be no possibility of college, vocational school or even getting a regular job outside the Spanish speaking areas of this country.

The state government decided that had to end. Now, all students in FL must be taught to read and write in the English language. They may also learn a second or third language if they wish but they have to be taught English.

How is this "Bad Government interference"?

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For decades, you

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Not only do I find that hard to believe ,I would offer that it is ,in the end,immaterial ,school teaches a child a whole lot more than what test scores indicate.

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Where are the socialization skills ?
Where is the ability to cope with others developed ?
Where do dissenting ideas originate from ?
Where is critical thinking taught ?
How about problem solving.....the kind that doesn't appear on a test ?
Problem solving that involves dealing with others,who just might be a little different from yourself?
Where does the child learn all of this ?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

The reason articles like this focus on the religious homeschoolers is because the available statistics indicate they are the overwhelming majority of homeschoolers and there is serious doubt about the quality of education being delivered and whether homeschooling is being used to isolate children to prevent reporting/observation of abuse.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


I apologize. When I read item number two, after that, I thought you were saying that immigrant children couldn't read or write because they were forced to do so in English. I mis-read.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Not only do I find that hard to believe ,I would offer that it is ,in the end,immaterial ,school teaches a child a whole lot more than what test scores indicate.

Like how to be a drug addicted, gang affiliated bully? Or a conforming, brainwashed drone? Or that the only way to be safe from bullies - including school staff - is suicide? Yeah, that's exactly what I want my kids to learn.

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Where are the socialization skills ?
Where is the ability to cope with others developed ?
Where do dissenting ideas originate from ?
Where is critical thinking taught ?
How about problem solving.....the kind that doesn't appear on a test ?
Problem solving that involves dealing with others,who just might be a little different from yourself?
Where does the child learn all of this ?

Everywhere. The zoo, the park, the grocery store, any activity where the kid comes into contact with people, including home. Just the fact that there is more than one child in the home means the child is being socialized. Any outside activities, from play dates to *gasp* church supplies socialization. Making sure a homeschooled child is socialized isn't nearly as difficult as you seem to imagine. Nor does public school do nearly as good a job of it as you would like to believe. The entire socialization argument is a straw man.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

The reason articles like this focus on the religious homeschoolers is because the available statistics indicate they are the overwhelming majority of homeschoolers and there is serious doubt about the quality of education being delivered and whether homeschooling is being used to isolate children to prevent reporting/observation of abuse.

In the interests of impartial journalism (as if there is such a thing anymore), it would be helpful to contrast the religious wingnuts against the homeschoolers who make that choice for reasons other than religion and compare/contrast them. It might even make whatever point the writer is trying to make more poignant.

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ORIGINAL: FelineFae

Has it been forgotten that there are many schools ran by churches ?

Every method of education has its pro's and con's.

If you'd like to believe all children educated at home are isolated, miserable, and ignorant, sadly fated to an adulthood without the ability to interact socially, you may hold to that view if you wish.

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If you are doing it differently and better than my sister and her community, then YAY!!!!!!! But that still does not negate the existence of a large population that isn't.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Is that the sort of "teaching" your children are subject too ?

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Still, this is not to say there aren’t many home-schooling parents who are doing an excellent job of ensuring that their children receive a quality education. Most parents realize they are taking on a tremendous amount of responsibility when they commit to home-schooling a child, so I am not surprised to find many – secular and religious – who are doing well by their children…