tazzygirl
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Ooookay, so health care is expensive now, so fuck it, it's always going to be expensive? Sorry, that's not the way I roll. I say we address the causes of health care being so damn expensive (I used damn instead of fuck! gotta ward off the strokes, yeah?).
Here is the issue for almost 1/3 of the country who are either uninsured or underinsured.... they have waited and waited and waited for all this to be addressed.. and it still hasnt been. How much longer do they have to wait while politicians and the health care industry continues to pick their noses?
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The people in power are the ones who have told us what was in it, but they're also the ones who want it. The only way your comment makes any sense is if the people in power were trying to get rid of it. They aren't. The ones who want us to keep it are in power still. And they aren't telling much, either.
How long did we hear the battle cry of death panels because a Doctor will now be able to bill that 15 minutes he spends talking to a patient about their advanced directives?
Read the law.
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That's the whole point of insurance from the customer's standpoint. Yes, insurance companies see profit and work to realize it. Profit ain't truly a bad thing. But, it's the cost of care that is the problem, not insurance being too expensive. If care costs were slashed, what do you think would happen to insurance costs? Yup. They'd drop like a rock, too.
Profit is never a bad thing.. greed is. 88 million people in this country are either underinsured... and could lose that by simply losing their job, or having their company take away that benefit all together... or they have no insurance at all.
let me be more correct.. 28% of the country are in those boats.
As to the bolded part above.... Why do you think costs are so expensive?
Tying costs of health care into the cost of insurance is way off base. As I pointed out, health care costs wont drop by sheer fact that insurance companies have their digits into almost every aspect of health care. Do you honestly think an HCA hospital will cut its costs? Nope. They will close beds, even doors, lay off employees, increasing the number of those who need insurance, while maintaining the costs.
Surely you arent saying our government should be promoting cost fixing measures.
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Answer this, tazzygirl: If the Federal Government has the authority to force you to purchase health insurance against your will, where does their power to force you to do stuff end?
You are forced to pay into FICA, you are forced to pay your taxes, you are forced to pay excise taxes, you are forced to have an idetification that you pay for. You are forced to pay for a lot of things.
Okay, so, a non-answer. Or, shall I say, "one more ain't gonna hurt no one?"
No, I am saying the ones we have are hurting 88 million people in this country. This is something you wish to continue until they can decide just how to fix a massive problem that they have supposedly been working on for decades?
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And don't forget what I've said previously about the Federal Government needing to get the fuck out of higher ed. And, what does your point have to do with this, anyway? How is Obamacare stopping the public funding of physician education?
You are so off course here.
Medicare funds the residency programs in this country.
Who pays into Medicare?
Everyone who works.
It should be that everyone who works should be able to have access to those Doctors by sheer fact that every worker put them through training. Yet 88 million people dont have that access, or its extremely limited.
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If I want to see a Chiro, I should be reasonably sure that he/she is a chiro. But, if I decide to spend my health care dollar on a witch doctor, I should be allowed to do that. I'm not going to go to a chiro for heart surgery. Upfront costs are another good thing to know.
IF you arent sure what kind of Doctor you are seeing, why are you seeing them?
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Nope. If I buy raw milk under the assumption that it isn't going to get me sick (and it won't necessarily get you sick, btw) and it has been marketed as not illness inducing, then the dairy is on the hook.
Is it legal to buy or sell raw milk?
Yes, in some states. Because of the potential for serious illness, federal law prohibits dairies from distributing raw milk across state lines in final package form (packaged so that it can be consumed). This means that raw milk can only be distributed across state lines if it is going to be pasteurized or used to make aged (over 60 days) cheese before being sold to consumers. Each state makes its own laws about selling raw milk within the borders of the state. In about half of states, sale of raw milk directly to consumers is illegal. In the remaining states, raw milk may be sold to directly to consumers.
Its not the federal government that is preventing you from drinking raw milk.
How many outbreaks are related to raw milk?
CDC collects data on foodborne disease outbreaks voluntarily reported by the state, local, territorial, or tribal health departments. The health departments conduct most outbreak investigations reported to CDC. The data reported may change frequently as reporting agencies enter new records and modify or delete old ones.
Among dairy product-associated outbreaks reported to CDC between 1973 and 2009 in which the investigators reported whether the product was pasteurized or raw, 82% were due to raw milk or cheese. From 1998 through 2009, 93 outbreaks due to consumption of raw milk or raw milk products were reported to CDC. These resulted in 1,837 illnesses, 195 hospitalizations, and 2 deaths. Most of these illnesses were caused by Escherichia coli O157, Campylobacter, or Salmonella. It is important to note that a substantial proportion of the raw milk-associated disease burden falls on children; among the 93 raw dairy product outbreaks from 1998 to 2009, 79% involved at least one person less than 20 years old.
Reported outbreaks represent the tip of the iceberg. For every outbreak and every illness reported, many others occur, and most illnesses are not part of recognized outbreaks.
Are there more outbreaks related to raw milk in states where it is legal to sell?
Yes. States that allow the legal sale of raw milk for human consumption have more raw milk-related outbreaks of illness than states that do not allow raw milk to be sold legally.
http://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/raw-milk-questions-and-answers.html#legal
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Hmmm...and, how would one go about doing that? Oh, yeah, I know. Get the Government out of the fucking way! Wait, is that an implied agreement with what I've been saying pretty much since I've been posting to CollarChat?!?
So you are perfectly fine with a hospital being able to dump patients based upon ability to pay, skin color, race, education, ect? Interesting.
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That will never happen until the cost of care is reduced. It isn't going to be reduced by forcing "the rich" to pay for insurance for "the poor." As I have been stating all along, this isn't about cutting the cost of health care. It's about shifting the cost to others. Won't work.
Romneycare isn't working so hot, either.
And you have again bought into the talking points of the unintelligent. Perhaps you should talk to those from other countries to find out exactly how it works for them.
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