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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/5/2006 7:19:39 AM

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Thanks guys for the talk of cookies and brownies! I already carry a small very soft blanket in my implements case for wrapping my little treasures in but imagine their surprise when I hand them a perfect soft brownie...

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/5/2006 11:34:20 AM

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I had the same issue when we were at Kinkfest. I had planned to cut her very inexpensive wardrobe off her while we were there.
Problem was that she had receaved comliments on how good she looked earlier that day and that the fabric was more plastic and did not 'cut' but instead tore and shreaded giving a really bad effect..

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/5/2006 8:54:09 PM

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Thanks guys for the talk of cookies and brownies! I already carry a small very soft blanket in my implements case for wrapping my little treasures in but imagine their surprise when I hand them a perfect soft brownie...

Hmmm

LOL this made me laugh.

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/6/2006 3:48:37 AM

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~winks~ I am up for grabs... or am I? hummm no I am pickier than that BUT I definately do not have her looks either so no Lokiland... err Lokiwood for me either...lol

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/6/2006 8:44:57 PM

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Women love their clothes.

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/6/2006 9:03:59 PM

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I also have an emotional attachment to some clothes due to how I acquired them or specific times I wore them.

I rarely value clothes because of their cost, but I do have favorites because of the way I look in them. It is hard for me to find stuff that fits right and I feel good in, so I hate to sacrifice anything. I solve the problem by getting naked as quickly as possible.

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/6/2006 9:16:57 PM

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Women love their clothes.

and their shoes, too. i've had really good new shoes ruined before, and there was no offer to replace them. i didn't say anything at the time, but i wasn't really happy about it.

luckily i don't have to worry about that now. Master Rat and i have talked and he has said that if he ruins something, we're going shopping, so he can do as he likes with full knowledge on both our parts (but he's most likely to dress me in special clothes that are more easily replaced; he knows how much my wardrobe items have cost me).

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/6/2006 9:52:52 PM

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This is the inherent risk of consent.... it can be revoked at any moment.

I suppose that is why in my primary relationships I restrict it to a M/s structure. In that revoking of consent means ending the relationship. I don't negotiate with my girls.

I did a similar scene with alandra a couple years ago. She was told to dress up in a very classy and elegant outfit. I think her expectation was that I was going to take her out for a nice supper etc. Instead, I took her a dungeon of someone I knew. I tied her arms up to the hooks above and then proceeded to rip her clothes off. Myself and the person I knew then proceed to use her in a variety of ways for many hours.

At any moment alandra could of revoked consent, or become very pissy afterwards and allowed alot of negative behaviors to project her feelings at me for what I had done with her. However, alandra has understood the authority with the relationship for a very long time an also understands the consequence of removing consent. She is able to walk the talk because it is an intrinsic part of who she is within our relationship. She doesn't need to seek to give consent... She gave it. She seeks to demonstrate her consent constantly by obeying my will. She hold on to one external fact. She holds On that I will do my will with her but I shall not harm her. She understands that she is a part of my existence like my arm or hearts is apart of me. She understands that I could no more cut off my arm or rip my heart out than I could desire to harm her. To harm her or my lovely kyra equates to self-abuse to me. It has been my focus to make my girls a part of who I am. In some ways they are the very part of who i am, alot of ways actually.

mmmmmmmmmm… I absolutely loved your post, Sir. I’m often amazed at the subs and slaves who say they would have stuck that cookie where the sun don’t shine. HOW can they even think that? Okay…I’m submissive, though some insist I’m slave material, I dunno…what I DO know is I wouldn’t play with a Dominant I didn’t trust not to injure me, so I don’t really use safewords. Past that…I cannot imagine having a Dom and EVER saying no! I WANT a relationship where IF I were to say ‘no’…it would be done. After all, HOW can one go on from there? Once you tell a Dominant ‘No’…haven’t you just topped him? And…oh lordy! The feelings ya wrestle with trying to do as told!

Okay, understand I’m NOT discussing “OMG, I think I broke a rib, we gotta quit!” I’m talking “No way am I gonna pee in a litter box!” Boy oh boy…I’d just plain ol’ KNOW if I said ‘No’…it’d be done. I suppose some men might not even know it, either…but I would. And I’d be gone.

I am encouraged by the likes of yourself and artglfr; that what I’m looking for exists out there…

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/6/2006 10:09:18 PM

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If you're going to cut and damage cloths, make sure you have the money to replace them. Better yet, start letting her now that shoping is apart of your after care.

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/6/2006 11:06:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: sylphgossamer
Master Rat and i have talked and he has said that if he ruins something, we're going shopping, so he can do as he likes with full knowledge on both our parts (but he's most likely to dress me in special clothes that are more easily replaced; he knows how much my wardrobe items have cost me).

Yes, indeed, we'll be hitting the thrift shops, or even buying new, cheap stuff at WalMart, or something. No way I want to be replacing something like a Chanel skirt!

Bob

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/6/2006 11:09:24 PM

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Yes, indeed, we'll be hitting the thrift shops, or even buying new, cheap stuff at WalMart, or something. No way I want to be replacing something like a Chanel skirt!

Bob

i've got such a sweet and smart Master Rat : ). thank you Bb. ily.

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/7/2006 12:59:40 AM

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Women love their clothes.

I'm more into socks myself. Toe socks, cute socks with little animals on them, crazy socks, socks with pom poms.. you name it, I probably have a pair. Bless my mom.. she knows that socks for my birthday are my very favorite present and she gets me the coolest socks! lol

Shoes.. shoes are good, too.

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/8/2006 4:06:45 AM

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You gave her a cookie and sent her to "go cool off" when she was coming out of sub-space and upset?

You are joking, right?

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/8/2006 4:43:59 AM

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I have a relationship where I gave my consent once and once only....It means that things can and will happen that I don't expect, the only thing I can be sure of is that unexpected things WILL happen. That's what I agreed to many moons ago. Life is certainly never boring and predictable....lol.

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/8/2006 6:09:36 AM

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The subs say "buy her a new outfit", cool,! I wonder where she got that outfit in the first place? We had negotiated !she knew We were going to play in fact she asked Me if I would play with her. I had told her I was going to cut her clothes off but I did not say when. The day I have to ask her permission is the day I say "goodbye" to her.

I am curious if you own her, or if she is a play partner. Reason being ? If this is a relatively new partner...yes it has to be negotiated. Call it permission or whatever you want to call it. If someone cut off my clothes i would be pissed about it. Its not unusual for a Dom to say to me, "i plan on cutting off your clothes sometime in the future, if you have a problem with this, best you say something now. Best you plan on not wearing your favorite clothes the next few times you see me". Sure it takes some of the suspense out of it, but personally i would rather have the suspense taken out, and keep my nice clothes.

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/9/2006 11:43:10 AM

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Makes me wonder....if you know part of your play MIGHT involve "rough" stuff (pulling, ripping, cutting etc.) WHY the hell would you wear your GOOD clothes? Show up in something nice then pull the cliche line "let me slip into something more comfortable" and change. Good grief. Don't wear grandma's beautiful blouse (grams might not like the fact you were doin' bad stuff in her clothing.) Go to the ten dollar store/rave or charlotte russe...get a nice inexpensive titty shirt and have fun. Clothing unless it's vintage is replaceable. I've been well off and I've been broke and one lesson I've always held onto is that material things mean NOTHING. It's the things you CAN'T replace that truly matter.

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/9/2006 1:51:42 PM

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Makes me wonder....if you know part of your play MIGHT involve "rough" stuff (pulling, ripping, cutting etc.) WHY the hell would you wear your GOOD clothes?

That's pretty much my thoughts too. She was dumb to wear clothes she was attached to.

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/9/2006 1:55:26 PM

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That's pretty much my thoughts too. She was dumb to wear clothes she was attached to.

I'd agree only IF he had told her that it was a high likelihood of happening that particular night.

Otherwise you're stuck with never wearing nice things, or eventually something nice getting destroyed. It's a situation that 2 seconds of foresight on EITHER side could have avoided- and since he's the one who decides what play happens, I don't think it's too much to ask to communicate whether it's likely or not on any particular night.

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/9/2006 2:37:43 PM

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I'd agree only IF he had told her that it was a high likelihood of happening that particular night.

Otherwise you're stuck with never wearing nice things, or eventually something nice getting destroyed. It's a situation that 2 seconds of foresight on EITHER side could have avoided- and since he's the one who decides what play happens, I don't think it's too much to ask to communicate whether it's likely or not on any particular night.

damnit... I feel like Im a libran..sitting on the fence...yeah I can appreciate what you're saying there too LuckyAlbatross lol

I guess it boils down to what type of relationship they have. With time a Master/Dom/Top would get to know the person they are playing with and it wouldnt even have to be talked about. Like for example, Master would know what clothes would be okay to rip up etc. If however its just a casual playing situation, there are so many factors involved that the Top would have to be conscious of.

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RE: sub got upset cutting clothes off - 6/9/2006 3:15:23 PM

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hmmm...good point. I'd never wear my good good clothes if i knew they could be damaged. i'd wear nice clothes that i could part with...if that makes sense. or the persons would have to help supply my wardrobe. but then-that could be construed as "payment/tribute". LOL.

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