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Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 3:15:32 AM   
MistressMystic69


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Many times you hear people talking nothing but negative about those that they tag as Financial Dommes but is this a fair assumption or more along the lines of a way to kick someone when you dont know what the situation is?

let me explain before you all jump on the soap box

Are there fakes out there who claim to be a Financial Domme, get your money and then disappear? HELL YES as I am sure many hear on a daily basis from the slaves who claim that they are always the victim and that they are all perfect little angels LOL PLEASE PEOPLE Think. So the question here would be are there fake Dommes out there who are after your money and then disappear in a cloud of dust? YES but there are just as many fake so called slaves.

Just for the record: No I do not consider myself a financial Domme but do expect to have my time compensated

Now there are those of you who say that Financial Domination has no place in this lifestyle, and that you find it offensive! Well if that were the case and all was needed to have a set of people banned from the web site was to say that 'I dont agree and I am offended' then there would be many that would never again be allowed on this site.

For example
there are those who are Gay or Lesbian (many find this offensive) should that mean that all Gay and Lesbians should be banned? NO, and again just for the record this is but one example.

I know there are many of you who will say well how the hell can a slave scam a Domme? whats that you dont think it happens or is possible? think again. slaves who come on here swearing undying loyalty to the Dom or Domme they are speaking to , telling them how they wish they would be able to relocate to them, how they would do so INSTANTLY if ony they had the money. the Dom or Domme now feeling they will get a slave in the deal sends the money, never to again see or hear from the slave again, and with them goes the money

Now that we have established that there are fakes, and scammers in both Domme, Dom, and slaves lets look at the fact that many think the concept of Financial Dommes should be done away with and that they are all scammers, WRONG

What is a Financial Domme?
does that mean the person sits at home 24 /7 doing nothing but living off the money of others? No, no more than it means that a Dom or Domme who have a slave in real time could be considered living off the work of the slave (even if the slave puts their money into the house). Fact is many of those tagged as Financial Dommes work, and earn a good living but that does not in anyway mean that they should now give away their services!!

Does this mean that a Financial Domme is going to scam everyone they come in contact with? No, it does not, things change from person to person.

Let me interject a little story that I happened to have first hand knowledge of , years ago I was part of a community where Dommes, Doms, and slaves alike would go to sit, talk, get to know each other and play games online like checkers, chess, backgammon etc. the program was called Mplayer. this group was rather large, close and we would often meet as a whole to enjoy each others company and in general enjoy the lifestyle. at one such meeting a slave met with a Dom who she had only knew a few days, he was new to the community and even though we had all agreed to safe words and calling others in the group as a safety net , this slave thought she was in love and said the hell with this. she met him went to his room , 2 days later house keeping came round to clean up the room because their time in the room was up. imagine the shock when they found the slave in the tub dead and dismembered her body packed in Ice.

does this mean everyone is a axe murder?

No it doesnt , anymore than being a Financial Domme means your satans spawn,lol.

Then what is a Financial Domme

a Financial Domme is someone who offers slaves services, they are paid for their time and service. If you had a dishnetwork man come out to install your dish would you expect his service (installing) to be free , or the monthly service (signal) to be free? would this make them a criminal or a fake if they dont make things free for you? no as much as we would like everything in life to be free it will never happen.

a Financial Domme is in short someone who offers a service, and expects to be compensated for their time, no more than any other professional. I would love to see someone go to court and say 'your honor I want to sue this car dealer, he wanted me to pay for his service of fixing my car' you would be laughed out of court cause anyone providing a service has a right to be compensated for their time.

now then before I start getting flammed or hate mails sent let me clear a few things up


  • I am not anti gay or Lesbian I used the example as just that and nothing more.
  • Do I believe a Financial Domme should scam others? NO, any more than I think slaves should scam the Domme
  • Do I in my personal opinion think that this site should delete the accounts of the Financial Domme? NO that is unless they are also ready to delete the accounts of all slaves who contact Dommes / Doms wanting to be Financially Dominated. or the slaves / Dom / Dommes who speak of anything that is offensive to someone else (if this were to happen the site would quickly become a ghost town


Now in closing I know there are those of you who say ' meet the slave then if you want paid thats different whats the harm' well I dont know about everyone else but my time is worth allot and I dont intend to prepare for a meeting, waste gasoline, and more to find the slave as a no show. why do Financial Dommes charge for things like cam , phone etc... does it not take time to do Cam? phone? of course it does and in that light this is your reason for the cost. why do they charge for things like panties etc.

  • It cost to buy the panties, or replace them
  • It takes time and money to package them
  • It cost money to ship them


So it stands to reason this will not be something that is free. doesnt it?

I am a good looking (insert sex of slave here) and I should not be charged no matter what I know many of you think your Gods gift, and that you should get everything in life free! think again I could care less if your the hottest man / woman alive if your taking someones (1) time (2) money through whatever means IE. shipping things, camming, phone etc. then you should be ready to make it worth their time.

Have a good day / night and enjoy your kinks and fetishes.
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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 8:40:55 AM   
JstAnotherSub


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Just for the record: No I do not consider myself a financial Domme but do expect to have my time compensated


Kinda like "Hey, I ain't a prostitute, but I expect you to compensate me for the time I spend on my knees while with you?".

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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 10:14:46 AM   
poise


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Status: offline 		I ought to be compensated for the time it took to read this thinly veiled advertisement.

This post isn't going to change the opinion of those you are addressing.
Sure, you've pointed out the logic that there would be no financial dommes
if there weren't a customer base to profit from. That's a no brainer.
So now what? Everyone should get their money together and sing Kumbaya?
I also find it strange that you took the effort to defend financial dommes,
yet you are also clearly trying to seperate yourself from the title.
It seems like you are sending mixed mesages.

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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 10:17:12 AM   
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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 10:32:48 AM   
TNDommeK


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Status: offline 		Wow. ok. That was a lot to read. I liked what was said, somethings. Just last night read a journal of some young 19 year old girl, standing on her soap box complaining about how Fin and Pro Dommes are whores, bla bla bla. It was really sad to see someone that young, who clearly in her version of what goes on,knows nothing of what Pros or Fin Dommes do.

As far as "justanothersub" and "servant4use" comments, well it would depend on if that particular Domme was selling her body for money, or being a whore. I am a Fin/Pro and have never sold Myself, and yes I will be compensated for My time. Plain and simple. (Gawd I feel like I have said that a million times) LOL.

It is a shame that people have opinions of things they don't know about. But that is what makes them ignorant to facts. At some point in our lives we are all ignorant to facts until we LEARN about them. I think that is what separates intelligence from stupidity...the ability to seek a higher knowledge then learn about it.

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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 10:37:58 AM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		I`ll have to agree.Every pro I know is a decent honest business person with more than willing clients.


Of course this like all businesses, has it`s bad seeds.But it`s legal and tho highly erotic,involves no actual sexual contact,cept for naughty-bit-whipping and the like,which doesn`t count as sex,IMHO.


Anyone asking for money on the net,or giving it deserve whatever they get.


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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 10:41:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: poise

I ought to be compensated for the time it took to read this thinly veiled advertisement.


Wanna take it out in trade?

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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 10:56:14 AM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		Added,I also have read more then one rant from sub males (with no clue as to why they`re single) complaining about pro-Dommes.


They,like most single men,need to grow up and understand that getting and keeping a relationship with ANYONE is at least half,if not more than half THEIR responsibility.


Of the few pro-Dommes I know,only one is dominant in real life and she has her own dutiful and very happy sub-man.The others are submissive in real life or just regular, sexually with their SOs,if they have significant others in their lives.Which is probably fairly common,from what I hear.


Note to sub men.......and all men......the world doesn`t revolve around you.


The pro-Dommes (or any Domme)aren`t there to serve you.Or meet your man-based sexual expectations or your selfish man-fantasies.


They provide a fantasy service.If you don`t like them......don`t seek them out or hope that you`re the one loser who will win her heart.


Until you learn to treat women as individuals and respect,are willing to seek and keep a connection and some trust,you`ll never have a real relationship......with anyone.




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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 10:58:45 AM   
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Just what about providing a fantasy service encourages the promotion of treating women with respect?


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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 11:04:20 AM   
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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 11:05:18 AM   
JanahX


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Status: offline 		Whats the big discussion? Who the fuck cares whether these women charge or not? Thats their business. How does that affect anyone but the person whos charging and the person whos paying?

No one is forcing anyone to pay anyone / pull out their credit cards / what the fuck ever / to pay anyone anything. If they do, its their money and they can do what they fucking want to with it. WHY the fuck would anyone else care? Its not your money.



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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 11:14:42 AM   
seeksolder


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Status: offline 		From the subs perspective (as some one who likes findom, and yes I a girl. How perverse)
I never viewed it as paying for there time, if that's how they phrased it I would probably look else where.
To me, paying some money is no different than getting spanked, It can hurt, it's harmless if you can afford it. You regret wasting your money on a few mins use getting off, so there is real humiliation involved just in paying.
in hindsight I do t think anyone on here has asked form money even when I suggest it there not comfatble.

Some subs like paying it adds to it. Some don't.

It must be difficult having a website for sexual deviants, and ban a particular section of the community.

Fakes, scammers, whores, frowned upon. V. Guys and girls who want to make your arse bleed and make you blow a great Dane on the first date. I don't care if someone's fake if I'm talking online, im a grown up and can make to choice if I believe them or not.

If they ask for money I can say no thanks I'll pass.

I know I don't k ow what I trying to say either so I'll get my coat

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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 11:18:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just from what I have seen on CM and read on profiles. It seems that most "financial dommes" just want to get money for doing nothing really except maybe some online play. I really don't like the sense of self-entitlement most of them seem to have.
As far as the real life financial dommes, like prostitutes, they provide services and deserve some compensation I guess.

Also, I have seen tons of financial dommes on here. I wonder if their are any financial doms.

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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 11:20:22 AM   
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These types of rants seem to be popping up more frequently, perhaps because of the major increase in people advertising themselves as pros a/o looking for bucks on here.

Prodommes have a place in the BDSM world, given the number of (mostly) male "subs" who are happy to pay a person to be a fetish delivery device.

If both client and pro are happy with the arrangement, I agree whose business is it? I sure don't think it should be illegal. (But then, I'd legalize prostitution and drugs.)

There are tons of scammers on this site, that is, those who are looking to take someone's money and give them nothing but a harsh lesson learned. If there was a way to successfully prosecute these scammers, I'd be all for it.

Now, there is that great big red text message on all Cmail...you know, the one about not sending money. Those who choose to ignore it, who choose to go to another web site and get asked for credit card info, in other words, those who choose to be stupid, what exactly can be done about that?

It does give the real pros a bad rap.

BTW: If you ask for "tribute" in the form of cash, you are a pro to me, though I do understand not everyone agrees with this assessment.

JMO, YMMV, and all that crap.



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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 11:36:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'll give you credit where it's due, OP.  You certainly invested a lot of time and keystrokes typing that out.  I think you were probably trying to educate people on financial domination from your point of view, but like poise, I found it odd that you don't want to be associated with the term.  Even by your own definition as someone who offers services in exchange for monetary compensation, you can't exactly go back and say that's what you do, but you don't consider yourself that.  I also think it's odd that the thread comes from a very recently created profile and makes Me think there are two possibilities.  One is that you didn't want the thread to come from whatever other profile you've got on the site.  The other is that you had to create a new profile because your last one got yanked.  I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say it was the latter if you were using it to advertise selling undergarments that you have worn.  TOS is very specific on that one.




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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 11:49:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DaKid8

Just from what I have seen on CM and read on profiles. It seems that most "financial dommes" just want to get money for doing nothing really except maybe some online play. I really don't like the sense of self-entitlement most of them seem to have.
As far as the real life financial dommes, like prostitutes, they provide services and deserve some compensation I guess.

Also, I have seen tons of financial dommes on here. I wonder if their are any financial doms.



There are some, you are right who do nothing, those are the ones in another thread that I was referring to, that make some good ones look bad. I also wanted to point out one of your statements above. It's cute to weasel in the words "like prostitutes" in there, but the truth of the matter is that anywhere you go to purchase something, you pay. Bottom line. I one made a statement in a journal referring to a dentist. He provides a service and I'm pretty sure you have to pay for it. So I assume he is like a prostitute as well.

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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 11:55:00 AM   
TNDommeK


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ORIGINAL: Lockit

Just a question...

Just what about providing a fantasy service encourages the promotion of treating women with respect?




I would also like you to elaborate more on this question. Are you asking because the woman is providing a fantasy service should she get respect? or are you saying something else.

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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 12:00:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

Just a question...

Just what about providing a fantasy service encourages the promotion of treating women with respect?




I would also like you to elaborate more on this question. Are you asking because the woman is providing a fantasy service should she get respect? or are you saying something else.


Just a bit of the baby feminist in me... Haven't women been expected to provide and used for the pleasures and control of men and have had to fight for any progress they have made toward equality? I see servicing men as a continuation of this service and don't understand how men will respect that any more than they have in the past. So I was wondering how we are to expect men to respect women that are pro's when even if they are paying for a fantasy service... they are still in my opinion, using women for their pleasure.

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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 1:04:59 PM   
TNDommeK


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ORIGINAL: Lockit

quote:

ORIGINAL: TNDommeK


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

Just a question...

Just what about providing a fantasy service encourages the promotion of treating women with respect?




I would also like you to elaborate more on this question. Are you asking because the woman is providing a fantasy service should she get respect? or are you saying something else.


Just a bit of the baby feminist in me... Haven't women been expected to provide and used for the pleasures and control of men and have had to fight for any progress they have made toward equality? I see servicing men as a continuation of this service and don't understand how men will respect that any more than they have in the past. So I was wondering how we are to expect men to respect women that are pro's when even if they are paying for a fantasy service... they are still in my opinion, using women for their pleasure.



Ah, ok I see what you are saying. I agree with you on that. I think that is one of the main reasons I do things a bit differently. For instance, when a sub books with Me, he fully understands the fact that everything that is done in that session will be things I enjoy or things that pleasure Me. Now of course that limits the number of subs I have to session with but I don't want My life consumed with nothing but sessions. I do have other things I have to do such as other jobs and keeping up My home. But you are completely right in what you were saying. Thank you for clarifying that.

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RE: Financial Dommes, all bad? I think not - 4/12/2012 1:21:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK


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ORIGINAL: DaKid8

Just from what I have seen on CM and read on profiles. It seems that most "financial dommes" just want to get money for doing nothing really except maybe some online play. I really don't like the sense of self-entitlement most of them seem to have.
As far as the real life financial dommes, like prostitutes, they provide services and deserve some compensation I guess.

Also, I have seen tons of financial dommes on here. I wonder if their are any financial doms.



There are some, you are right who do nothing, those are the ones in another thread that I was referring to, that make some good ones look bad. I also wanted to point out one of your statements above. It's cute to weasel in the words "like prostitutes" in there, but the truth of the matter is that anywhere you go to purchase something, you pay. Bottom line. I one made a statement in a journal referring to a dentist. He provides a service and I'm pretty sure you have to pay for it. So I assume he is like a prostitute as well.



Your dentist may very well be a prostitute and you might want to ask him about that yourself.
Prostitution is 1.The practice or occupation of engaging in sex with someone for payment. Or
2.The corrupt use of one's talents for personal or financial gain.
So yeah. Like a prostitute.

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