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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

I posted this here because I think it applies to everyone, switches, doms, and subs, and all can give their own perspective.

I think it's safe to say for any complimentary relationship, that playing the other role helps one understand it better, and compliment that role when playing it's opposite. Switches, I get that, and happen to agree.

Then there's the other side that says how can you be the truest true blood dom or sub if you don't devote yourself to that role. Reminds me of Spartans and Ninja warriors, and certainly resonates with me.

Where along these two extremes do you fall? Assuming it's one or the other, don't you see room for both? Is a switch really "better", or just more empathetic? Is a true blood dom or sub really any more or less devoted than a switch filling that role? Does experimenting or being flexible by offering to switch pollute one role? That view reminds me of a sleeping with the enemy perspective.

My take on it, your views are way to convoluted. Your suggesting by me becoming a sub it would help me understand it better. Uh Dude I really could give a flying pig what it's like to be submissive. You need to hit your RESET button as your not makin much sense

BadOne

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give a flying pig what it's like to be submissive

you're basing it all on this...

"I really could give a flying pig what it's like to be submissive"

your powerful words speak for themselves, and i have nothing to add.

thanks for your interesting take on it.

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Karmastic...

Nope I don't think that "Playing" or "assuming" or "being" the other role helps one understand it better. See below...

Bhruic:

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ORIGINAL: Bhruic

My personal opinion is - and common sense dictates - that someone who explores both sides of a coin has more understanding of the whole coin than someone who only looks at one side.

I'm pretty sure that this argument has had the arse properly kicked out of it already.

Superficially your argument is attractive.... but it falls into fallacy because the coins are not the same. If I were to experience submission I'd be learning about the other side of "my" coin, not my partner's.

It would teach me fuck all.

[Ed to correct misspelling of Bhruic's nick, with apologies]

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

why should he care what it's like to be submissive?

I'm submissive and I don't really care what it's like to be dominant. It's not my nature and not something I need to experience in life. I know it would not be me.

Would you want to know what it's like to be a girl just because you're a guy dating a girl? I don't know about you but I have zero desire to know what it's like to be a guy.

Would you want to know what it's like to be a fireman or policeman or IT administrator or anything you are not? Unless you want to one day possibly BE that, why would you care?

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

I posted this here because I think it applies to everyone, switches, doms, and subs, and all can give their own perspective.

I think it's safe to say for any complimentary relationship, that playing the other role helps one understand it better, and compliment that role when playing it's opposite. Switches, I get that, and happen to agree.

Then there's the other side that says how can you be the truest true blood dom or sub if you don't devote yourself to that role. Reminds me of Spartans and Ninja warriors, and certainly resonates with me.

Where along these two extremes do you fall? Assuming it's one or the other, don't you see room for both? Is a switch really "better", or just more empathetic? Is a true blood dom or sub really any more or less devoted than a switch filling that role? Does experimenting or being flexible by offering to switch pollute one role? That view reminds me of a sleeping with the enemy perspective.

My take on it, your views are way to convoluted. Your suggesting by me becoming a sub it would help me understand it better. Uh Dude I really could give a flying pig what it's like to be submissive. You need to hit your RESET button as your not makin much sense

BadOne

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give a flying pig what it's like to be submissive

you're basing it all on this...

"I really could give a flying pig what it's like to be submissive"

your powerful words speak for themselves, and i have nothing to add.

thanks for your interesting take on it.

Actually NO. That was a example. Your basic premise is flawed. Part of what your saying is to better understand a <insert anything here> dog for example, you need to act like a dog, or better yet become a dog. Perhaps now you get my point.

BadOne

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I actually think it is you and another that is taking it too far.

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

I posted this here because I think it applies to everyone, switches, doms, and subs, and all can give their own perspective.

I think it's safe to say for any complimentary relationship, that playing the other role helps one understand it better, and compliment that role when playing it's opposite. Switches, I get that, and happen to agree.

Then there's the other side that says how can you be the truest true blood dom or sub if you don't devote yourself to that role. Reminds me of Spartans and Ninja warriors, and certainly resonates with me.

Where along these two extremes do you fall? Assuming it's one or the other, don't you see room for both? Is a switch really "better", or just more empathetic? Is a true blood dom or sub really any more or less devoted than a switch filling that role? Does experimenting or being flexible by offering to switch pollute one role? That view reminds me of a sleeping with the enemy perspective.

My take on it, your views are way to convoluted. Your suggesting by me becoming a sub it would help me understand it better. Uh Dude I really could give a flying pig what it's like to be submissive. You need to hit your RESET button as your not makin much sense

BadOne

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give a flying pig what it's like to be submissive

you're basing it all on this...

"I really could give a flying pig what it's like to be submissive"

your powerful words speak for themselves, and i have nothing to add.

thanks for your interesting take on it.

Actually NO. That was a example. Your basic premise is flawed. Part of what your saying is to better understand a <insert anything here> dog for example, you need to act like a dog, or better yet become a dog. Perhaps now you get my point.

BadOne

yes, i understand, but as i said to prior person (pls see that reply), you're taking the examples too far.

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

I posted this here because I think it applies to everyone, switches, doms, and subs, and all can give their own perspective.

I think it's safe to say for any complimentary relationship, that playing the other role helps one understand it better, and compliment that role when playing it's opposite. Switches, I get that, and happen to agree.

Then there's the other side that says how can you be the truest true blood dom or sub if you don't devote yourself to that role. Reminds me of Spartans and Ninja warriors, and certainly resonates with me.

Where along these two extremes do you fall? Assuming it's one or the other, don't you see room for both? Is a switch really "better", or just more empathetic? Is a true blood dom or sub really any more or less devoted than a switch filling that role? Does experimenting or being flexible by offering to switch pollute one role? That view reminds me of a sleeping with the enemy perspective.

My take on it - I used to wish I was bi-sexual, so that I could have twice as many options (and fun). But hairy bodies and cocks never turned me on. Now I sort of wish I was a switch. Sort of because I'm careful what I wish for.

As Elvis Costello put it, what's so funny about peace, love and understanding?

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

why should he care what it's like to be submissive?

I'm submissive and I don't really care what it's like to be dominant. It's not my nature and not something I need to experience in life. I know it would not be me.

Would you want to know what it's like to be a girl just because you're a guy dating a girl? I don't know about you but I have zero desire to know what it's like to be a guy.

Would you want to know what it's like to be a fireman or policeman or IT administrator or anything you are not? Unless you want to one day possibly BE that, why would you care?

you're taking the examples really far here. it's a truism, that you can be better at what u do if u understand better what/who your inputs/outputs go to.

sorry, this is kinda hashed out already.

Too far?

I used a similar analogy to littlewonder's "girl dating a guy", myself. It wasn't a matter of an example so much as the same principle. Makes sense that the different wardrobe is likely why women's minds process things differently to men. So if a man dresses as a woman, he'll have insight into what she thinks/feels....

No?

Anyways, if littlewonder and I are both saying it, you must be wrong...!

Focus.

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We agree to disagree. Thanks for a interesting conversation.
BadOne

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

I posted this here because I think it applies to everyone, switches, doms, and subs, and all can give their own perspective.

I think it's safe to say for any complimentary relationship, that playing the other role helps one understand it better, and compliment that role when playing it's opposite. Switches, I get that, and happen to agree.

Then there's the other side that says how can you be the truest true blood dom or sub if you don't devote yourself to that role. Reminds me of Spartans and Ninja warriors, and certainly resonates with me.

Where along these two extremes do you fall? Assuming it's one or the other, don't you see room for both? Is a switch really "better", or just more empathetic? Is a true blood dom or sub really any more or less devoted than a switch filling that role? Does experimenting or being flexible by offering to switch pollute one role? That view reminds me of a sleeping with the enemy perspective.

My take on it - I used to wish I was bi-sexual, so that I could have twice as many options (and fun). But hairy bodies and cocks never turned me on. Now I sort of wish I was a switch. Sort of because I'm careful what I wish for.

As Elvis Costello put it, what's so funny about peace, love and understanding?

So, what you're really saying is....you're a "Dom", but you'd switch for the right girl.

(Many....I gotta tell you....you're a fucking giver!!!!!)

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ORIGINAL: Focus50

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

why should he care what it's like to be submissive?

I'm submissive and I don't really care what it's like to be dominant. It's not my nature and not something I need to experience in life. I know it would not be me.

Would you want to know what it's like to be a girl just because you're a guy dating a girl? I don't know about you but I have zero desire to know what it's like to be a guy.

Would you want to know what it's like to be a fireman or policeman or IT administrator or anything you are not? Unless you want to one day possibly BE that, why would you care?

you're taking the examples really far here. it's a truism, that you can be better at what u do if u understand better what/who your inputs/outputs go to.

sorry, this is kinda hashed out already.

Too far?

I used a similar analogy to littlewonder's "girl dating a guy", myself. It wasn't a matter of an example so much as the same principle. Makes sense that the different wardrobe is likely why women's minds process things differently to men. So if a man dresses as a woman, he'll have insight into what she thinks/feels....

No?

Anyways, if littlewonder and I are both saying it, you must be wrong...!

Focus.

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Nope. In your example there are two coins.

The Dom person and the sub person.

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ORIGINAL: Bhruic

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Nope. In your example there are two coins.

The Dom person and the sub person.

I think I know my own mind vis a vis the structure and intention of my own example. The dom person and the sub person are the SAME person when talking about two sides of one coin...but have it your way.

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ORIGINAL: Bhruic

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Nope. In your example there are two coins.

The Dom person and the sub person.

I think I know my own mind vis a vis the structure and intention of my own example. The dom person and the sub person are the SAME person when talking about two sides of one coin...but have it your way.

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

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ORIGINAL: Bhruic

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Nope. In your example there are two coins.

The Dom person and the sub person.

I think I know my own mind vis a vis the structure and intention of my own example. The dom person and the sub person are the SAME person when talking about two sides of one coin...but have it your way.

Well then your analogy is pitifully silly in that case.

But have it your way.

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ORIGINAL: Focus50

Whether it's guilt/empathy/whatever, I can't help but suspect that a Dom who feels some need to experience submission first-hand is really pseudo switch in denial. I got that vibe from the OP, just as he seems bi curious.

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

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ORIGINAL: Focus50

Whether it's guilt/empathy/whatever, I can't help but suspect that a Dom who feels some need to experience submission first-hand is really pseudo switch in denial. I got that vibe from the OP, just as he seems bi curious.

bwa hahahahahaha! i love your posts because your perspectives usually surprise me besides being interesting. this time i can't stop laughing! your gaydar and switch-dar are very broken. think of it like this concept - you took whatever i said as a weakness (not that being gay or switch is any more or less strong/weak ala Seinfeld). i.e., being inquisitive and very open minded doesn't equate to being bi curious or weak, as in not dom.