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The difference between an embryo and a single celled organism is that a single celled organism is encoded to remain a single celled organism forever, it will always be so.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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The difference between an embryo and a single celled organism is that a single celled organism is encoded to remain a single celled organism forever, it will always be so.

Um.. Mitosis?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The difference between an embryo and a single celled organism is that a single celled organism is encoded to remain a single celled organism forever, it will always be so.

From that one should be able to glean the purpose of an embryo. 

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The difference between an embryo and a single celled organism is that a single celled organism is encoded to remain a single celled organism forever, it will always be so.

From that one should be able to glean the purpose of an embryo. 

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The difference between an embryo and a single celled organism is that a single celled organism is encoded to remain a single celled organism forever, it will always be so.

From that one should be able to glean the purpose of an embryo. 

So where where you when I was trying to get through my last bio class.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
And yet you claim there are people out there who feel they are more important than women. I have heard a lot of arguments for and against abortion. This is the first time anyone has claimed it had anything to do with this.

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ORIGINAL: http://personhoodwisconsin.com/roe-vs-wade
Personhood & the Roe v. Wade Decision By Matt Sande, Director of Legislation, Pro-Life Wisconsin After thirty-five years of abortion on demand in America, the pro-life movement is losing patience with an incremental legislative approach that simply manages the slaughter of our preborn brothers and sisters.  Restoring personhood to the preborn child, with respect to the right to life and without exception, is an effort that is gaining momentum across the country.  With the U.S. Supreme Court's twin rulings in 1973, Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolten, abortion on demand was forced down our nation's throat.  But more fundamentally, the court denied the protection of personhood to those most in need of it- our tiny preborn brothers and sisters. Importantly, the Supreme Court never declared abortion itself to be a constitutional right.  Rather, the Supreme Court said: "We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins... the judiciary at this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer." Then, in the very text of the Roe v. Wade decision, the High Court made a key admission: "[Texas] argues that the fetus is a ‘person' within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment...If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case (or Roe's case) collapses, for the fetus' right to life is then guaranteed by the 14th Amendment." In other words, the Court recognized the power of personhood and that legal abortion would be impossible if personhood was applied to the unborn.  But tragically, the state of Texas already had a statutory exception to abortion on their books (the so-called life of the mother exception) that completely undermined their personhood argument.  In his famous Footnote 54, Justice Harry Blackmun wrote: "When Texas urges that a fetus is entitled to Fourteenth Amendment protection as a person, it faces a dilemma.  Neither in Texas nor in any other state are all abortions prohibited.  Despite broad proscription, an exception always exists...But if the fetus is a person who is not to be deprived of life without due process of law, and if the mother's condition is the sole determinant, does not the Texas exception appear to be out of line with the Amendment's command?" In other words, the Court recognized that exceptions to legal personhood are illogical and, more importantly, unconstitutional. A person is a person is a person.  Either you are a person, or you are not.  Either the preborn child is a person, or he is not.  There can be no exceptions to personhood.  The very text of the Roe v. Wade decision itself, then, contains the key to its own demise. It points the way to it own defeat.  According to Judie Brown, president of American Life League, "Establishing personhood for the preborn child is the most fundamental step in reversing the decriminalization of abortion..." For far too long, pro-lifers have limited themselves to protecting a life here and there - passing laws which slightly regulate abortion in the most outrageous cases.  Legislative proposals that expressly deny the personhood of certain preborn children through exceptions for rape, incest, or the so-called life of the mother must be opposed.  Politicians who support such exceptions cannot be called pro-life. Instead of regulating the killing of preborn children, the pro-life movement must begin to focus on furthering the public's acceptance of the humanity and the personhood of the preborn child from the very beginning of his or her life.

"A person's a person no matter how small."

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
And yet you claim there are people out there who feel they are more important than women. I have heard a lot of arguments for and against abortion. This is the first time anyone has claimed it had anything to do with this.

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ORIGINAL: http://personhoodwisconsin.com/roe-vs-wade
Personhood & the Roe v. Wade Decision By Matt Sande, Director of Legislation, Pro-Life Wisconsin After thirty-five years of abortion on demand in America, the pro-life movement is losing patience with an incremental legislative approach that simply manages the slaughter of our preborn brothers and sisters.  Restoring personhood to the preborn child, with respect to the right to life and without exception, is an effort that is gaining momentum across the country.  With the U.S. Supreme Court's twin rulings in 1973, Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolten, abortion on demand was forced down our nation's throat.  But more fundamentally, the court denied the protection of personhood to those most in need of it- our tiny preborn brothers and sisters. Importantly, the Supreme Court never declared abortion itself to be a constitutional right.  Rather, the Supreme Court said: "We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins... the judiciary at this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer." Then, in the very text of the Roe v. Wade decision, the High Court made a key admission: "[Texas] argues that the fetus is a ‘person' within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment...If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case (or Roe's case) collapses, for the fetus' right to life is then guaranteed by the 14th Amendment." In other words, the Court recognized the power of personhood and that legal abortion would be impossible if personhood was applied to the unborn.  But tragically, the state of Texas already had a statutory exception to abortion on their books (the so-called life of the mother exception) that completely undermined their personhood argument.  In his famous Footnote 54, Justice Harry Blackmun wrote: "When Texas urges that a fetus is entitled to Fourteenth Amendment protection as a person, it faces a dilemma.  Neither in Texas nor in any other state are all abortions prohibited.  Despite broad proscription, an exception always exists...But if the fetus is a person who is not to be deprived of life without due process of law, and if the mother's condition is the sole determinant, does not the Texas exception appear to be out of line with the Amendment's command?" In other words, the Court recognized that exceptions to legal personhood are illogical and, more importantly, unconstitutional. A person is a person is a person.  Either you are a person, or you are not.  Either the preborn child is a person, or he is not.  There can be no exceptions to personhood.  The very text of the Roe v. Wade decision itself, then, contains the key to its own demise. It points the way to it own defeat.  According to Judie Brown, president of American Life League, "Establishing personhood for the preborn child is the most fundamental step in reversing the decriminalization of abortion..." For far too long, pro-lifers have limited themselves to protecting a life here and there - passing laws which slightly regulate abortion in the most outrageous cases.  Legislative proposals that expressly deny the personhood of certain preborn children through exceptions for rape, incest, or the so-called life of the mother must be opposed.  Politicians who support such exceptions cannot be called pro-life. Instead of regulating the killing of preborn children, the pro-life movement must begin to focus on furthering the public's acceptance of the humanity and the personhood of the preborn child from the very beginning of his or her life.

"A person's a person no matter how small."

That's right ladies the life of a single celled organism is more important than your health and safety.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I am pro choice...but I hope my daughters and grand daughters would decide to have the baby.

Of course it is a mockery and shameful....and... in all 40 prayers I did not see a prayer for the soul of the child in the garbage.

Butch

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

~FR~

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RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement

You know, there'd have been less fauxrage than this if they'd had 40 days of gratuitous abortions.

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To clarify my last post, given that abortion rates have more to do with female poverty and compassion for women who are unwed and pregnant than with the legality of the procedure or access to legal forms. Don't believe me? Compare the abortion rates of Mexico with Denmark...

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ORIGINAL: sublindsay
The focus of those who are pro-choice is that a woman has the right to choose whether or not she wishes to keep her baby/fetus (however you want to view it) or whether to abort it.

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And the focus of the pro-life groups is preserve life. They believe that when an egg is fertilized, it does indeed become a living human being. Despite what you may feel about that, it is what they believe...If going after the right to choose is the only way they can go about attaining their goal of preserving life, then that is what they are going to do.

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But you completely lost focus of what their goal is, LIFE

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If you want to be close-minded and refuse to accept that people who have different ideas (or believe completely counter to you) could have a point or even be right, thats fine, but just don't do that and then also claim to be some open-minded liberal thinker. Because that just makes you full of shit.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
Obviously it was done to avoid embarassment in the Church, and there can be no excuse for what he did but in my opinion he redeemed himself by taking the issue very seriously subsequently, and at a time when few others in the Church were.

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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir
One side says it is acceptable to kill human beings if they are inconvenient or disabled.