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Fightdirecto -> "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 5:57:43 AM)

FOX-News.com

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A prayer campaign launched by a California Planned Parenthood affiliate has angered pro-life groups who claim the counter-campaign mocks their own "40 Days for Life" effort.

Officials at Six Rivers Planned Parenthood (SRPP) in Eureka, Calif., launched "40 Days of Prayer" last month and has offered up daily prayers for pregnant women and clinicians who perform abortions...

The campaign, according to Liberty Counsel, an Orlando-based pro-life litigation group, is another "desperate attempt" to regain positive public attention and funding by mimicking a pro-life campaign.

"Planned Parenthood's prayer crusade is an attempt to mock and marginalize the highly effective '40 Days for Life,' which has unified half a million voices for the cause and saved at least 5,838 lives," the organization said in a statement. "As a direct result of this prayer event, 22 abortion clinics have closed and 69 doctors have stopped performing abortion."

SRPP officials referred inquiries to Faith Aloud, a St. Louis-based religious organization that composed the prayers. Rev. Rebecca Turner, Faith Aloud's executive director, told FoxNews.com that the prayers were written four years ago, but this is believed to be the first time they've been used by a Planned Parenthood affiliate. She denied allegations that they are meant to mock the "40 Days for Life" campaign.

"In no way is it a mockery of anything because we take prayer very seriously,"
Turner said Friday. "And I take women's concerns very seriously. These prayers, all of them, are very specific to women and not all of them are about abortion. In fact, very few of them are."

Turner continued: "Everyone, in any situation, can turn to God and pray. A pregnancy is not an exception to that."

Liberty Counsel founder Matthew Staver was blunt in his assessment of a campaign featuring prayers for those involved in abortions.

"Planned Parenthood's 'prayer' campaign is offensive," Staver said.

Examples of the prayers, published by the Humboldt Country, California, Clergy For Choice, which the anti-choice proponents find objectionable -

(all 40 prayers can be found at Humboldt County, CA, Clergy For Choice)

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* "Day 1: Today we pray for women for whom pregnancy is not good news, that they know they have choices."

* "Day 22: Today we pray for an end to all violence against abortion providers."

* "Day 33: Today we offer a prayer of remembrance for abortion providers who lost their lives because of their commitment to women."

* "Day 34: Today we give thanks for abortion escorts who guide women safely through hostile gauntlets of protestors."

* "Day 36: Today we pray for the families we’ve chosen, May they know the blessing of choice."

* "Day 37: Today we pray for women to claim their equality and demand their rights as citizens."

* "Day 38: Today we pray for a cloud of gentleness to surround every abortion facility. May everyone feel calm and loving."

* "Day 40: Today we give thanks and celebrate that abortion is still safe and legal."

Do only anti-choice proponents have a "right" to pray?




farglebargle -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 6:49:00 AM)

Where do you get "angry" from a compilation of a list of prayers?

It's not like anyone from Planned Parenthood has called anyone's prayers WRONG in any way, have they?

Unlike the Anti-Family-Planners,

"Planned Parenthood's 'prayer' campaign is offensive," Staver said.

( Note use of "scare quotes" around 'prayer', implying that Pro-Family-Planner's prayer's aren't REAL or something. )




ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 7:19:14 AM)

I dunno, that Matt Staver dude seems a bit PO'd.
Why is it (almost) alaways a male who is so 'outraged' over Planned Parenthood? It's not like HE is ever going to need them for an abortion...

And once again a legal medical procedure is held hostage by religious fanatics. The US is becoming a little more like those Islamist countries we all love to have every day.




DarkSteven -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 8:01:27 AM)

"My prayer is true prayer, while yours is offensive." Oy.




Musicmystery -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 8:02:43 AM)

Let's just pray for them.

Some learn quickly, some slowly.




kdsub -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 8:08:41 AM)

I am pro choice...but I hope my daughters and grand daughters would decide to have the baby.

Of course it is a mockery and shameful....and... in all 40 prayers I did not see a prayer for the soul of the child in the garbage.

Butch




Musicmystery -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 8:10:04 AM)

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Of course it is a mockery and shameful.


I disagree. It shines a light on hypocrisy, and the prayers will certainly do no harm.

If I were the PR guy for the "opposition," I'd tell them "Go and pray with them."

But hatred and pride is going to prevent that. Where's the God in that?





kdsub -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 8:21:09 AM)

It may shine a light on hypocrisy but it is still shameful. ...maybe they should have included...Oh Lord...guide my hand so my hook can safely rip the life from this body... All stupid crap that does no one any good. Tell me whose hypocrisy is it shinning light on? I would say all fanatics involved.

Do you really think it will change minds? No it will just deepen the divide in this country.

Butch




Musicmystery -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 8:35:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

It may shine a light on hypocrisy but it is still shameful. ...maybe they should have included...Oh Lord...guide my hand so my hook can safely rip the life from this body... All stupid crap that does no one any good. Tell me whose hypocrisy is it shinning light on? I would say all fanatics involved.

Do you really think it will change minds? No it will just deepen the divide in this country.

Butch

But they DIDN'T include that..that's you making shit up.

If all this stupid crap does no one any good, then why pray?

The prayers themselves are benign, if yes part of a public presence.

Do I think it will change minds? Of course not. Either the prayers are beneficial--or it's noting to be concerned about.

Shameful is murder in God's name.





kdsub -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 8:40:44 AM)

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But they DIDN'T include that..that's you making shit up


Did you read all 40?...I did and they are just as stupid and disrespectful to God... if you are a believer... If you are not then…. it exposes hypocrisy of both sides.

Are there not better ways to get your point across and maybe change hearts and minds.

Butch




Musicmystery -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 8:42:14 AM)

As I said before, why don't you just pray for the lot of them?




kdsub -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 8:42:45 AM)

That I do all the time




Musicmystery -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 8:44:12 AM)

Then it's out of either of our hands, and we can both move peacefully on with our day.




Fightdirecto -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 8:52:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
Did you read all 40?...I did and they are just as stupid and disrespectful to God... if you are a believer... If you are not then…. it exposes hypocrisy of both sides.

Are there not better ways to get your point across and maybe change hearts and minds.

Butch

If you read all 40, you probably also read that these 40 prayers were NOT written by Planned Parenthood (they only published them on their website) - these 40 prayers were written by Christian and Jewish clergymen and clergywomen.

Of course, if you are anti-choice - Christian and Jewish clergymen and clergywomen who do not share your views are "stupid and disrespectful to God" - for you know better than they what they should believe.




kdsub -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 9:00:58 AM)

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if you are anti-choice


But I am not....Below is just one example of disrespect of God.

Today we give thanks for the doctors who
provide quality abortion care


Now tell me again this would not be considered disrespectful to God if you were a devout Christian...bull

Butch




mnottertail -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 9:03:30 AM)

And if you are a devout anti-christian, you are not treated to disrespect by the christians?

Seems like a horses ass apiece. 




kdsub -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 9:06:40 AM)

I know I know two wrongs make a right I forgot... never very good with math

Butch




Musicmystery -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 9:07:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

quote:

if you are anti-choice


But I am not....Below is just one example of disrespect of God.

Today we give thanks for the doctors who
provide quality abortion care


Now tell me again this would not be considered disrespectful to God if you were a devout Christian...bull

Butch

Now THAT'S Bull, Butch. People aren't allowed to thank providers for what they see as an important aspect of health care? The ones who remember the horrors of back-alley abortions?

This is only disrespectful to God if you think you speak for Him.

And that's damn presumptuous--and frankly, offensive.




Owner59 -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 9:12:46 AM)

PP should have done 50 days of prayer!


50 beats 40.......[8D]


What a great idea PP has here!


Mixing politics and religion......


Guess two can play that game.[:D]




kdsub -> RE: "40 days of prayer" angers anti-Choice movement (4/14/2012 9:15:34 AM)

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This is only disrespectful to God if you think you speak for Him


It makes no difference what you or I think... Are you speaking for God?... After all his words are written on the subject. We are talking what is disrespectful to Christians. To pray to God for

increased financial
support for low income women to access
contraception, abortion, and childcare


IS disrespectful whether you or I think it God like or not.

Butch




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