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Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 9:13:00 AM

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So Mitt Romney is on record as recently as January for saying that women on welfare need to get jobs, even if they have young children. More specifically, he said, ‘No, no, I’m willing to spend more giving daycare to allow those parents to go back to work. It’ll cost the state more providing that daycare, but I want the individuals to have the dignity of work.’.

And Ann Romney is on record as saying, "My career choice was to be a mother, and I think all of us need to know that we need to respect the choices women make".

So choices are respected as long as the woman in question is wealthy? Is that what I'm supposed to glean from this?

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 9:19:12 AM

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She is trying to get some of the womens vote back for the mittster, is what you should take away from this.

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 9:48:54 AM

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And Ann Romney is on record as saying, "My career choice was to be a mother, and I think all of us need to know that we need to respect the choices women make".

I'm sure it much easier to choose to be a mother when you can afford a nanny, housekeeper and cook.

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 10:08:36 AM

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And Ann Romney is on record as saying, "My career choice was to be a mother, and I think all of us need to know that we need to respect the choices women make".

I'm sure it much easier to choose to be a mother when you can afford a nanny, housekeeper and cook.

according to the kids, there was no nanny or mothers helper, Ann Romney didnt have help.. they could easily afford it, I expect,.. but that doesnt mean they did.. just like being a millionaire doesnt mean you drive a mercedes.. some millionaires drive beat up jalopies just like some of the rest of us..

oddly enough, it sounds like Ann had a nanny when she was a kid.. maybe that experience made her decide not to let a nanny raise her own kids.. or who knows, maybe Mitt was so cheap/frugal he told her no nanny..

http://patdollard.com/2012/04/romney-son-ben-growing-up-we-never-had-a-nanny-or-a-mommys-helper/

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 10:15:56 AM

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So choices are respected as long as the woman in question is wealthy?

It would seem to me that there's a difference between respecting the choice of a woman who is able to do so to be a stay-at-home mom, and respecting a claim that society should be required to cough up the money for her to do it. Only in the first case is the woman making a choice. In the second she doesn't have one, except it be provided at society's expense.

Personally, I am not fond of the idea of having to pay for a child's upbringing without my views on how it should be raised being represented. I would much rather pay to fund responsible child-care workers at daycare centers than just fork over cash to the mother. For the short-term, sure, fine. Shit happens. But as a long-term solution, it's a system that's ripe for abuse.

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 11:34:16 AM

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Let me just say this. While the Romney children may not have had a "nanny", I'm sure they had a housekeeper. Does anyone believe for a minute that Ann Romney scrubs her own toilets? (Really?!)

In an ideal world every mother, regardless of circumstances, ought to be able to stay home to raise her children if she should choose to do so. To tell women without wealth that they must have the "dignity" of working outside the home is a ridiculous statement coming from a man who allowed his wife the "indignity" of staying at home. If working outside the home is the only thing tied to a mother's "dignity" then why isn't Ann Romney working outside the home? And if Romney is saying that a stay-at-home mother only has dignity if she is wealthy enough to afford to stay at home, well, need I say more?

And it has to be said. A party that attacks the use of contraception, attacks Planned Parenthood (that largely serves the rural and the poor), attacks abortion, attacks any notion of women being able to plan and control their pregnancies has zero right to then deny those women money to help them raise their children. If you force women of limited means to have children, then I think you have to be responsible for those children.

The notion of a woman of the kind of privilege Ann Romney has had telling other women whether they should have or not have children, and whether they should have to work outside the home or not is simply ludicrous. And by being part of the Republican machinery, that is exactly what she is doing. I believe in women having control over their bodies. I believe every child born should be wanted. I believe the world's population is growing at too fast a rate for global sustainability. Every child born is ultimately a collective responsibility because no child and no family ever succeeds completely on its own. And anyone who thinks so is living a lie of their own creation. We are all interdependent. Whether we like it or not.

If Republicans really respect "choice" then respect women's choices around contraception, pregnancy, birth and child-rearing. Don't stand up for wealthy women staying home to take care of their children and somehow claim that makes the Republican party "pro-woman". You have to be kidding me....

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 11:39:06 AM

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Let me just say this. While the Romney children may not have had a "nanny", I'm sure they had a housekeeper. Does anyone believe for a minute that Ann Romney scrubs her own toilets? (Really?!)

According to tax returns they had four.

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 11:42:55 AM

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toilets?

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 1:35:42 PM

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i dont particularly care if they had housekeepers or nannies or whatever.. why is it people have to fight over the Rs & Ds? Does he say he is going to force welfare moms to work if they dont want to?

How many people actually want to be on welfare? sure some likely game the system but imo, the majority of welfare moms want to make a better home for their family, they want to have more income than welfare provides.. and they dont want the stigma of being on welfare and the stigma on their kids, they want to be a good role model for their kids, they want a better future.. if they stay on welfare they will never have that..

One of the major hurdles welfare mothers face, imo, is the high cost of daycare for the moms that want to work.. If Romney is gonna take that problem off the table for welfare moms then it gives the ones that want a different future at least the chance to create that, hopefully getting better jobs, more benefits, more wages once they get back into the workforce.. Cuz the way it stands now.. it doesnt matter which party it is, they both do squat for welfare moms..

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 3:36:08 PM

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i dont particularly care if they had housekeepers or nannies or whatever.. why is it people have to fight over the Rs & Ds? Does he say he is going to force welfare moms to work if they dont want to?

YES. He is on record as pretty much saying exactly that....as I said in the original post he is on record as saying "women on welfare need to get jobs, even if they have young children".

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 3:52:11 PM

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i dont particularly care if they had housekeepers or nannies or whatever.. why is it people have to fight over the Rs & Ds? Does he say he is going to force welfare moms to work if they dont want to?

YES. He is on record as pretty much saying exactly that....as I said in the original post he is on record as saying "women on welfare need to get jobs, even if they have young children".

if you are going to quote someone then you should be attaching a link.. especially since some people like to take things out of context and make them seem like something they arent..

It would not surprise me if Obama didnt steal that idea and use it during his re-election compaign..

imo, the concept/idea if well implemented has merit, not just for welfare moms but any low income family that needs daycare also..

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 3:52:48 PM

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http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/romney-welfare-mothers-you-need-go-work

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/12/ann-romney-hilary-rosen_n_1420976.html

In other words if you are wealthy, you can stay at home and being a stay-at-home mother with 4 housekeepers is "work". But if you are on welfare, with no other means of assistance, you must work outside the home to consider it "work".

The Romneys can't have it both ways. Either being a stay-at-home mother is "work" or it is not....

And just to make it clear, Mitt Romney says he is happy to pay for daycare for a welfare mother. He just doesn't want to pay for her to stay at home. But yet, staying at home with the children was a perfectly acceptable choice for his wife....

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 4:08:44 PM

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I agree with the concept but imo, it should not be forced, it should be the parents choice only..and imo, if the govt has a good, well thought out program then many people will want to take advantage of it so it doesnt need to be forced, it just needs to be a good program in the first place..

imo, it doesnt matter what the Romney's do in their personal life (as long as its all legal lol).. its what a politician does in govt that matters since thats the job he is running for.. You wouldnt want your employer delving into your personal life either, I would guess.. But,.. her kids are grown and now she is working, i am not sure if its paid work but she is working (in this campaign with her hubby).. and to top it off, she has MS.. which can be very debilitating.. I had a friend that died from MS, she was not that old but it hit her like a ton of bricks..

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 4:15:47 PM

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Not to mention everyone coming to Ann Romney's defense to say being a stay-at-home mom is a lot of work

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ann-romney-mitt-hilary-rosen-twitter-311633

Again, they can't have it both ways...

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 4:22:48 PM

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Lord knows, I'm no fan of Mitt Romney, and I won't be voting for him anytime soon.

But can we please, please, please focus on the merits (or lack thereof) of his policy prescription--providing daycare for welfare moms so they can work. To be honest, that's not the worst idea I've ever heard, particularly from a Republican.

And for heaven's sake, let's leave Mrs. Romney out of it.

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 4:25:53 PM

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I agree with the concept but imo, it should not be forced, it should be the parents choice only..and imo, if the govt has a good, well thought out program then many people will want to take advantage of it so it doesnt need to be forced, it just needs to be a good program in the first place..

imo, it doesnt matter what the Romney's do in their personal life (as long as its all legal lol).. its what a politician does in govt that matters since thats the job he is running for.. You wouldnt want your employer delving into your personal life either, I would guess.. But,.. her kids are grown and now she is working, i am not sure if its paid work but she is working (in this campaign with her hubby).. and to top it off, she has MS.. which can be very debilitating.. I had a friend that died from MS, she was not that old but it hit her like a ton of bricks..

Yes, agreed. If he wants his wife to be respected for making the choice to stay at home, and if he wants people to view that as "work", then as a politician, he needs to take the same position with other mothers. But he is holding other mothers to a completely different standard. I, too, don't care what private choice they make. But he wants welfare reform that will force mothers with small children to work even more hours outside the home in order to stay eligible for benefits because he doesn't consider it supportive of their "dignity" to stay at home and raise their children. Hypocritical to say the least.

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 4:26:48 PM

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Not to mention everyone coming to Ann Romney's defense to say being a stay-at-home mom is a lot of work

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ann-romney-mitt-hilary-rosen-twitter-311633

Again, they can't have it both ways...

well,.. there is no dam way I would be wanting to take care of 5 kids!!!..

according to wiki she was diagnosed with MS in 1997, i expect it affected her prior to that as well which would, imo, make taking care of 5 kids even harder than for most..

but imo, being a good involved parent is a lot of work.. being a lousy parent isnt much work at all,.. you just set the kid in front of the tv or game console or computer until bed time.. (& that type of thing happens at all levels of income/society)

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 4:30:49 PM

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And for heaven's sake, let's leave Mrs. Romney out of it.

Sorry dc, no can do.

Ann Romney refers to Hillary Rosen's quote as "early birthday present"

At a private fundraiser last night Ann Romney reportedly referred to Hillary Rosen’s stay-at-home mom comment as an “early birthday present.” Rosen, who is a Democratic strategist, said that Ann Romney was not qualified to talk about economic issues facing women since she has never worked outside the home. Rosen later apologized after the Romney campaign expressed a great deal of public outrage over the quote. In her comments last night, Ann Romney seemed more like political strategist than a stay-at-home mom.

While the Romney event last night was closed to the media, reporters could overhear the remarks of Ann Romney from a public sidewalk outside. According to NBC News, when addressing Rosen’s comments Ann Romney said,

“It was my early birthday present for someone to be critical of me as a mother, and that was really a defining moment, and I loved it.”

As Think Progress notes, last week Ann Romney struck a different tone, saying that she was “bothered” by Rosen’s criticism and making no mention of any political advantage her husband might gain. The Romney campaign also hosted female lawmakers who expressed their outrage over Rosen’s quote.

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 4:35:13 PM

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I agree with the concept but imo, it should not be forced, it should be the parents choice only..and imo, if the govt has a good, well thought out program then many people will want to take advantage of it so it doesnt need to be forced, it just needs to be a good program in the first place..

imo, it doesnt matter what the Romney's do in their personal life (as long as its all legal lol).. its what a politician does in govt that matters since thats the job he is running for.. You wouldnt want your employer delving into your personal life either, I would guess.. But,.. her kids are grown and now she is working, i am not sure if its paid work but she is working (in this campaign with her hubby).. and to top it off, she has MS.. which can be very debilitating.. I had a friend that died from MS, she was not that old but it hit her like a ton of bricks..

Yes, agreed. If he wants his wife to be respected for making the choice to stay at home, and if he wants people to view that as "work", then as a politician, he needs to take the same position with other mothers. But he is holding other mothers to a completely different standard. I, too, don't care what private choice they make. But he wants welfare reform that will force mothers with small children to work even more hours outside the home in order to stay eligible for benefits because he doesn't consider it supportive of their "dignity" to stay at home and raise their children. Hypocritical to say the least.

a politician also has a responsibility to the taxpayers that are paying for welfare.. its not simply about him, its about the working schmucks that shoulder that financial burden thru taxes.. the ones that have made sacrifices in an attempt to get ahead only to find taxes eating away at them.. As Kirata said, he doesnt mind that for a short time but it should not last a lifetime (except for the disabled/handicapped).. I expect most taxpayers feel the same..

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 4:48:03 PM

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Sorry dc, no can do.

Aside from the key question of whether candidates' families are fair game, I don't (as a diehard Democrat) see us gaining a single vote by attacking Ann Romney. And I see us potentially pissing off a lot of independent voters whom we need.

Food for thought: Hilary Rosen throws Mitt Romney a lifeline in 'war on women'

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