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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 9:24:14 AM   
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I don't click links because the Censorship Police often send me little love notes warning me not to go there.

i've never heard of this, please explain what this is and who does it.

She is in a country where internet usage by individuals is observed by 'the authorities'.

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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 9:29:02 AM   
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Actually in many cases running more than one anti vi or malware checker can cause them to not work. I still wouldn't use spybot if you paid me to do it

You (and most forumites here) would probably be best covered running Windows Security Essentials, Secunia, and ThreatFire. The three programs evaluate orthogonal weaknesses on your computer, and they don't overlap one another.

WSE - checks for virus signatures
Secunia - checks to see if your software is updated with the latest security patches
ThreatFire - oversees program behavior, and stops programs if they start to behave maliciously

Also, as an FYI, most security professionals no longer run antivirus programs at all on their systems, unless there is a corporate policy saying they have to. Modern attacks are not usually something that a signature checker can find, and resources are better spent elsewhere.

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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 9:31:40 AM   
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Near-religious believer in Firefox, NoScript, and AdAware.

The protection provided by NoScript is somewhat illusory unless you're running it in tandem with RequestPolicy. This isn't something I could recommend to most people though, because control of web pages becomes dorky. I think you might have a lot of fun with it though, meant as a compliment so I hope you take it that way.

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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 9:42:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		You know what geek squad is? The brainy bunch? How about dell? Tech for all of these say spybot is malware.

As for the anti, I wasn't talking about running them at the same time. Installing some and then some others can cause the programs to not load correctly and then not work correctly when they are run.

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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 9:47:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wasn't really worried about it , Red, and could only do that if I were on windows. But I thank you for the advice.I think I still have a lap top somewhere with windows on it so I'll look into it. As for the anit vi...most people are not doing security on the level you are speaking about on their home computer. I really wasn't thinking on a corporate level when I commented. Good advice though so , again, thanks.

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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 12:19:10 PM   
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You know what geek squad is? The brainy bunch? How about dell? Tech for all of these say spybot is malware.

As for the anti, I wasn't talking about running them at the same time. Installing some and then some others can cause the programs to not load correctly and then not work correctly when they are run.

hmm, well they must have a very broad definition of malware, let's not debate that. but thanks, i didn't know it was a controversy.

and to clarify, when i said don't "run" more than one, it's implicit you wouldn't have installed more than one. yes, good point, even the installs can conflict, and services can run even if you don't "run" them yourself. so only "install" one. lol details - u should be a lawyer.

re the guy who said most corporations don't run anti by default - i think you're over-generalizing. i've been all over as an IT contractor, and all without exception, ALL companies run it, period. i can just imagine the mayhem of 1000s of laptops running around without anti, then connecting to the VPN.

maybe u were thinking of not running it on some resources within the firewall, or within a DMZ.

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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 12:22:24 PM   
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re the guy who said most corporations don't run anti by default - i think you're over-generalizing.

No, I'm not. This is an open secret. For example:
http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/03/antivirus/

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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 12:27:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TrekkieLP

Near-religious believer in Firefox, NoScript, and AdAware.

The protection provided by NoScript is somewhat illusory unless you're running it in tandem with RequestPolicy. This isn't something I could recommend to most people though, because control of web pages becomes dorky. I think you might have a lot of fun with it though, meant as a compliment so I hope you take it that way.

u don't understand the no-script add-on. it already prevents cross-requests as well by default. u actually can traverse through layers if u want, and progressively accept each layer of cross-scripting requests. or u can click to accept all at once.

ooh, u reminded me of another good FF add-on - fergit actual name, but something like no cross references. stops/spoofs pages from seeing where u came from.

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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 12:33:05 PM   
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u don't understand the no-script add-on. it already prevents cross-requests as well by default.

Karmastic, please stop. RequestPolicy provides a granularity of control that NoScript does not. From the RequestPolicy FAQ:
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RequestPolicy is a tool that gives you a default deny policy for cross-site requests. RequestPolicy allows you to whitelist cross-site requests you trust.

How does RequestPolicy help you where NoScript does not? RequestPolicy will protect you from various attacks that NoScript will not (such as CSRF attacks, though there some special cases that NoScript protects against) and will give you greater privacy while browsing.

Also, RequestPolicy will give you finer-grained control over JavaScript and plugins when you use it with NoScript. For example, if you whitelist a domain with NoScript to allow it to run JavaScript, then that domain will also be allowed to run JavaScript when you are on any other site that you have whitelisted with NoScript. RequestPolicy makes sure that when it is JavaScript from a third-party site, it will still be restricted unless you have allowed those cross-site requests.

Conversely, NoScript gives you protection that RequestPolicy does not. RequestPolicy will not keep you safe from malicious JavaScript or vulnerable plugins on the current site you are visiting, So, NoScript is absolutely essential for browser security.

Having two separate tools that each do their specific jobs well is the best approach. NoScript is an amazing extension and is absolutely essential (like RequestPolicy) to using Firefox securely. It is best to use both RequestPolicy and NoScript.

Please stop saying things that are false. I know a lot of people on this forum in real life, including at least one person who has already posted on this thread, and your providing incorrect security advice to them disturbs me.

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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 12:33:50 PM   
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re the guy who said most corporations don't run anti by default - i think you're over-generalizing.

No, I'm not. This is an open secret. For example:
http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/03/antivirus/

i can only tell you from 20 years experience as an IT professional, been in many companies. they ALL use anti, just maybe not on every resource. i'm ignorant of any debates saying it's a waste. there's always something better, but there's costs in "upgrading" and revamping systems.

as a Sales Manager, would you rather have the IT part of your budget dedicated to installing a new customer relations manager system, or revamping the system to not use anti? maintenance is usually an after-thought in budgets.

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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 12:37:53 PM   
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u don't understand the no-script add-on. it already prevents cross-requests as well by default.

Karmastic, please stop. RequestPolicy provides a granularity of control that NoScript does not. From the RequestPolicy FAQ:
quote:


RequestPolicy is a tool that gives you a default deny policy for cross-site requests. RequestPolicy allows you to whitelist cross-site requests you trust.

How does RequestPolicy help you where NoScript does not? RequestPolicy will protect you from various attacks that NoScript will not (such as CSRF attacks, though there some special cases that NoScript protects against) and will give you greater privacy while browsing.

Also, RequestPolicy will give you finer-grained control over JavaScript and plugins when you use it with NoScript. For example, if you whitelist a domain with NoScript to allow it to run JavaScript, then that domain will also be allowed to run JavaScript when you are on any other site that you have whitelisted with NoScript. RequestPolicy makes sure that when it is JavaScript from a third-party site, it will still be restricted unless you have allowed those cross-site requests.

Conversely, NoScript gives you protection that RequestPolicy does not. RequestPolicy will not keep you safe from malicious JavaScript or vulnerable plugins on the current site you are visiting, So, NoScript is absolutely essential for browser security.

Having two separate tools that each do their specific jobs well is the best approach. NoScript is an amazing extension and is absolutely essential (like RequestPolicy) to using Firefox securely. It is best to use both RequestPolicy and NoScript.

Please stop saying things that are false. I know a lot of people on this forum in real life, including at least one person who has already posted on this thread, and your providing incorrect security advice to them disturbs me.

i didn't say anything about how good or bad RequestPolicy is, so why are you acting like i did?

i cared enough to make a top post suggesting some tools.

you wish to disparage one tool, saying it's useless, and that's just not true. so i corrected u.

if u want to say there's a better more complete tool, then i welcome you doing that without trying to accuse me of giving false information.

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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 12:38:42 PM   
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i'm ignorant of any debates saying it's a waste.

Right. You're behind the times, and giving people outdated "information." You need to hit the books and catch up.

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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 12:50:12 PM   
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i'm ignorant of any debates saying it's a waste.

Right. You're behind the times, and giving people outdated "information." You need to hit the books and catch up.

wow, so you jump on one thing i said, while ignoring all the other "false" information you gave:

* no script is NOT useless. your own post comparing the two says it does plenty

* i did NOT say anything about RequestPolicy, good or bad

* and most importantly, YOU are giving HORRIBLE advice telling an average person that they shouldn't run anti. well shucks, let's just turn it off right now and go surfing.

me saying i'm ignorant of debates saying it's a waste was a polite way of saying i don't care to have you hijack the thread into a debate about whether or not there are better alternatives to running anti virus software.

are u even fer real, or are u a troll just toying with me. this stuff is so obvious.





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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 1:01:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		The devil is in the details as it is often said, but let me assure you that not even I am heartless enough to be a lawyer.

I can ask them if you want me to but I believe the reason many call it malware is because it can be hard for a common person to remove from a system....unless they want to pay someone to do it for them

As for the whole thing about tandum anti, os, etc. It is not clear that you wouldn't do it if you are talking to someone that knows little about computers. I have a dell tech friend that says when talking about computers it is always best to remember not everyone is a nerd.

Damn they are sexy though, aren't they. Sexy, sexy, nerds. sorry mind wandered.

*oh* and just for giggles....spybot is useless. You can yell at me now if you want

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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 1:26:59 PM   
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Also, as an FYI, most security professionals no longer run antivirus programs at all on their systems, unless there is a corporate policy saying they have to. Modern attacks are not usually something that a signature checker can find, and resources are better spent elsewhere.



My Master has been an IT guy for a long time and keeps one on his and makes sure I have one on mine.
It just saves him a bunch of time from having to fix his for when his brother goes someplace he shouldn't...or rarely fix mine.
His big change though was switching from AVG to AVAST based upon my research.

The free version of Avast is great but if one likes to sniff around places that have suspect sites frequently, the paid version has a "sandbox" that you can open links externally in.

"Sandboxing allows users to completely isolate programs such as a web browser in a virtual computer, completely isolated from the rest of the computer. If the sandboxed program is hijacked, it simply shuts down, keeping the computer safe from the intruding malware. Virtualization technology is usually restricted to corporate networks."

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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 1:28:45 PM   
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The devil is in the details as it is often said, but let me assure you that not even I am heartless enough to be a lawyer.

I can ask them if you want me to but I believe the reason many call it malware is because it can be hard for a common person to remove from a system....unless they want to pay someone to do it for them

As for the whole thing about tandum anti, os, etc. It is not clear that you wouldn't do it if you are talking to someone that knows little about computers. I have a dell tech friend that says when talking about computers it is always best to remember not everyone is a nerd.

Damn they are sexy though, aren't they. Sexy, sexy, nerds. sorry mind wandered.

*oh* and just for giggles....spybot is useless. You can yell at me now if you want

thanks, don't worry about asking them. what u said kinda fits with what i expected - a kinda technical scoring of malness based on difficult to remove. but that doesn't speak to it's effectiveness.

they could be right, but heck, it's free and doesn't seem to suck resources or slow anything down (yet). and some other geeks swear by it, actually getting excited when they release a new major version (that's true geekdom). and i can use other geek tools to get rid of vestiges.

re knowing your audience, great timing. i just blasted redmagic for telling average people (uh, us?) they should not run anti. but u got me, i tend to speak to IT audiences when talking IT, and the devil is in the details. now that i think of it, you're more like a coder who's insisting on detailed specs but i'm giving the interwebs chat board version.

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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 1:32:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Also, as an FYI, most security professionals no longer run antivirus programs at all on their systems, unless there is a corporate policy saying they have to. Modern attacks are not usually something that a signature checker can find, and resources are better spent elsewhere.



My Master has been an IT guy for a long time and keeps one on his and makes sure I have one on mine.
It just saves him a bunch of time from having to fix his for when his brother goes someplace he shouldn't...or rarely fix mine.
His big change though was switching from AVG to AVAST based upon my research.

The free version of Avast is great but if one likes to sniff around places that have suspect sites frequently, the paid version has a "sandbox" that you can open links externally in.

"Sandboxing allows users to completely isolate programs such as a web browser in a virtual computer, completely isolated from the rest of the computer. If the sandboxed program is hijacked, it simply shuts down, keeping the computer safe from the intruding malware. Virtualization technology is usually restricted to corporate networks."

thank you for adding this! fuck paying for norton anymore. i was never sure about the free ones, but your post was the straw. i'm taking your recommendation.

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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 1:54:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I won't really argue anything either you or red said. I have a computer in the other room that has never had an anti on it (Linux for the win) But I have one on the liveins laptop. I think it all depends on how much time, and love, you have for your computer.

*snort* and as for catching you at doing something you were correcting someone else for doing....I'm a momme domme, it's my job.

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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 2:00:36 PM   
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I won't really argue anything either you or red said. I have a computer in the other room that has never had an anti on it (Linux for the win) But I have one on the liveins laptop. I think it all depends on how much time, and love, you have for your computer.

*snort* and as for catching you at doing something you were correcting someone else for doing....I'm a momme domme, it's my job.

haha, let me catch u then...LINUX? no wonder u don't disagree with red. but how about the other 99% using Windows, or even Sun or Mac or whatever. Linux is only mainstream for nerds, which u are, and it still depends on what you're using it for.

he's very silent now, so i'm pretty sure he got a good laugh playing who's on first with me. a troll is a troll, gotta love em'

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RE: Afraid to click links? - 4/21/2012 2:07:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for your reading my post.

A note to you: someone can passionately disagree with you and not be a troll.
RedMagic1 is not a troll; although you are certainly entitled to your personal opinions.

Btw: how I discovered which free anti-virus programs were the best was I went online and found an issue of PC World that discussed it. AVG didn't even enter into their discussion. I haven't had any issues with Avast (except that the voice is a little annoying).

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