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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

He didn"t get the award from the kid, he got it from the school system who took no action to protect him from a pattern of bullying

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Contrary to what the media would have you believe, school administrators don't generally wake up in the morning and plan evil ways to fuck up children's lives and skirt the law. It's obviously a peeve of mine. I'll shush up now. :)

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People don't normally wind up paralyzed when they get punched in the stomach. The knowledge, and the ability, to prevent against that simply didn't exist.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


No, what they do is get up each morning, over worked and over tired, and allow things to fall through the cracks because it happened to them when they were growing up and it couldnt possibly be as bad as all that... or little Johnny is going to be a great ball player and it would be a shame to ruin that over a complaint by a nerd.. ect ect ect.

Its not evil intent, its laziness.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
THAT, ladies and gentlemen is how to end 99% of all bullying.

Once they realize there is no fear, they have doubts. Once they have doubts, they cease.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Good for you! Not every middle school has one. Not every kid who is bullied can bench press. And not every bully backs down. Blaming the victim for the crimes of the bully is just another form of bullying.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
My parents had no problems teaching us that bullying was bad. My sister didn't either. In fact I can think of a whole shit load of people who managed this. Now I know there are some kids out there that are going to grow up to be assholes, but I don't see that as a reason to stop trying to teach them right from wrong.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
And you're right up to a point but with some kids it's not that simple. It would really depend on the tenacity of the bullied kid, his environment, his parents and other specifics.

You're right again but again only up to a point. Teaching the bullied kids to fight just won't work with all kids, especially the smaller weaker ones. If at all possible, the schools need to put a stop to the bullies. I agree that No red-pen grading and everyone gets a trophy is stupid but it doesn't have much to do with the topic.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
Maybe but if it's adult vs adult it's definitely criminal. What's the difference if it's kid vs kid ?

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
I could relate my own experience with bullies but I would rather not to any great extent. Suffice It to state that it took years of self defense classes and my dad giving me instruction and the confidence not to be afraid of a fight. By the time I finally learned, it only took one fight and the problem was solved as another poster related in a similar experience. So in my case what you keep stating would seem to be correct but it wasn't that easy. I experienced a bully problem for awhile in my younger life. It took me till almost the eighth grade to get the situation under control. By the 10th grade I don't recall any bullying of the physical type was a problem with anyone, at least around my neck of the woods. I remember a friend who when very young, some bullies took his ball. He went into the house crying to his parents when his dad took his belt off and threatened to beat his ass if he didn't go get his ball back. He went out and beat the crap out of one of them, as he was more afraid of his dad than the bullies, and got his ball back, so as the story was related to me that is. Once again that would seem to suggest you're right but I would suggest that sort of thing wouldn't work all the time if even a majority of the time.

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ
You seem to be forgetting that some of the kids who are bullied now end up as suicides.
I guess those are freak injuries too.

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ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
And you're right up to a point but with some kids it's not that simple. It would really depend on the tenacity of the bullied kid, his environment, his parents and other specifics.

You're right again but again only up to a point. Teaching the bullied kids to fight just won't work with all kids, especially the smaller weaker ones. If at all possible, the schools need to put a stop to the bullies. I agree that No red-pen grading and everyone gets a trophy is stupid but it doesn't have much to do with the topic.

No one solution works in every case. But neither do blanket zero-tolerance policies. When I was bullied, I got bullied more after I told the teacher because then I was known as a target that wouldn't fight back.....until I did.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
Maybe but if it's adult vs adult it's definitely criminal. What's the difference if it's kid vs kid ?

Because it's only criminal in the adult world when it resorts to physical violence (or in some cases, defamation of character which is harder to prove). In schools, the blanket policies basically try to make trash talk "bullying." As I said, soon it will get to the point where looking cross-eyed at someone is bullying.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
I could relate my own experience with bullies but I would rather not to any great extent. Suffice It to state that it took years of self defense classes and my dad giving me instruction and the confidence not to be afraid of a fight. By the time I finally learned, it only took one fight and the problem was solved as another poster related in a similar experience. So in my case what you keep stating would seem to be correct but it wasn't that easy. I experienced a bully problem for awhile in my younger life. It took me till almost the eighth grade to get the situation under control. By the 10th grade I don't recall any bullying of the physical type was a problem with anyone, at least around my neck of the woods. I remember a friend who when very young, some bullies took his ball. He went into the house crying to his parents when his dad took his belt off and threatened to beat his ass if he didn't go get his ball back. He went out and beat the crap out of one of them, as he was more afraid of his dad than the bullies, and got his ball back, so as the story was related to me that is. Once again that would seem to suggest you're right but I would suggest that sort of thing wouldn't work all the time if even a majority of the time.

My bullying lasted through middle school (despite the fights I'd had). The weight-lifting class was my freshman year of high school and that was the end of the bullying.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
I get it that a blanket policy can take things too far like zero guns in school no tolerance or what ever when kids get arrested for drawing a picture of a cowboy with a gun or play shooting with stick finger guns going pow pow (they both happened). This is due to asinine teachers or administrators lack of common sense. However, with a little common sense with the school officials and teachers as well as common sense written policy, they could certainly root out many if not most of the bullies with some proactive attention.

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ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
I get it that a blanket policy can take things too far like zero guns in school no tolerance or what ever when kids get arrested for drawing a picture of a cowboy with a gun or play shooting with stick finger guns going pow pow (they both happened). This is due to asinine teachers or administrators lack of common sense. However, with a little common sense with the school officials and teachers as well as common sense written policy, they could certainly root out many if not most of the bullies with some proactive attention.

The problem is when the people making policy have no common sense, it's very likely the policy won't have any either.

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

There is a tort doctrine called the "egg shell skull". It means you take your victim as you find them. 99.99999% of the time, this type of injury would not result from a punch in the stomach. This time it did, but that doesn't affect liability

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Good for you! Not every middle school has one. Not every kid who is bullied can bench press. And not every bully backs down. Blaming the victim for the crimes of the bully is just another form of bullying.

I'm not blaming the victims. I'm blaming those who don't show them how to stand up for themselves and who coddle them by telling them to rat out those mean kids (assuring they only get bullied more for being a snitch).

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
So you are advocating more silence and protecting the bullies even further. And that will solve nothing as well, making the bully more invincible in his own mind and a bigger threat to others.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
The bully is protected because he isnt outted and allowed to continue his reign of teror on the next until they can stand up for themselves... and on to the next. Common denominator.. the bully. Its time examples were made. Maybe when enough parents go to jail and pay out of pocket for the actions of their children, mom and dad will step up to the plate.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

And not every kid can do that. Gesh, you are acting like every child should be exactly like you.