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We need some kind of health care system that is afforable. All the healthcare programs in Massachusetts, and in other countries are going bankrupt. There is no free lunch and the piper must be paid.
It costs the Commonwealth of Massachusetts just $770 million/year for Mass Health. Of a budget thats' $29.2 Billion (I could be off by a billion or two). You'll find the percentage of cost is below 3%. If anything is bankrupting the state the most, its education. I can not speak on the status of other countries who do not share the same history as the commonwealth. I would suspect that the recession is more heavily felt in other countries than the USA. Since people are not working, taxes are not being collected as rapidly, but more people are using their state's system because they arent recieving the same through their company or by not being employed. Maybe the folks in this countries should ask why their 1%'ers are not keeping with with demand when they declare themselves the 'job creators'?
But yes, Mass Citizens are doing just fine. 98.6% of them have decent health care coverage. The remainder have either not lived in the state long enough or 'enjoy' the prison system's health care. The state enjoys the #1 status for 'most citizens with health coverage' in America!
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ORIGINAL: papassion
We are self indulgent, we smoke, eat like pigs, don't exercise and then wonder why there is so much health car needed and why it cost so much. We have all seen the stats that if everyone ate right, kept at the recommended weight, exercised, etc, 35 to 40% of healthcare needs would vanish.
Yes, and that would be bad for corporate profit! You forget we are not in some 'socialist' country. We want freedom to smoke, drink to excess, and gorge ourselves on food like fat people should! In fact you can find the states were all three are highly prevalent are red states. Why would corporations, that places crooked and corrupted Republicans into the federal offices want to help the good citizens out? That would be 'anti-American' and 'unprofitable' according to them!
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doctors order expensive tests that he thinks are not needed, but orders them anyway to cover his ass legally if you do happen to have some extreemy unlikely problem. Turns a 50.00 visit into a 300.00 to 400.00 visit. Tort reform must happen to help reign in medical costs.
It actually depends on the doctor's level of education, skill and experience. Likewise the health company or service the doctor works for, may have rules and regulations that have to be followed that trump what the doctor believes is 'not enough' or 'excessive'. We, the American people can set the rules by which all this takes place (example: Mass Health). Since most Americans do not want to do anything, but instead leave it to the lobbyists from corporations to decide, should anyone be surprised by the results? Its to much effort by most Americans to do anything. Easier for them to sit on their fat asses, drinking, smoking, not exercising, and bitching a storm of why doesnt someone do something; than to take action themselves, live responsibily and push for better health care in the country.
The original version of the ACA (the President's plan) was really good. Even the current incarnation is fair. But only 8% of Americans have read the 2409 page document. The other 92% have been told what to think on it, because they are to busy to deal with problems in the country...
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ORIGINAL: papassion
Doctors are human and make mistakes. And medicine is complicated. In socialized medicine, doctors only have a certain amount of time per patient. If you want socialized medicine, be prepared to accept the realities that goes with it.
'Socialized Medicine'....the 'Boogey Man' of another defination. This concept erupted at the start of the health care bill and was such a catchy buzz word it stuck on conservative's minds. If you actually asked people to define 'socialized medicine' you'd find the grand majority of them have no clue what it is and isn't. They would rather the 'corporate medicine' that they bitch every day about instead. People right here in the commonwealth complained that 'Mass Health' was 'socialized medicine'. It could be defined as such. But with 3% overhead compared to EVERY private health insurance company in the state with an overhead of 26%. Which entity does better? The state can place those 23% of overhead not into greedy CEO and upper management's hands. Nor to stockholders whom demand high dividends.....or else. But towards helping those citizens that can use the help and saving the state money. But if your against this sort of logic, and your not a ceo or upper level management, nor a stockholder in a health insurance company.....but all means, oppose it. You'll just be labelled a 'Chowdah-Hid' (that's Bostonian for you....).
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