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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/5/2006 6:54:28 PM   
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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/5/2006 6:54:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		BTW... I have children & they will be the first ones to speak up that this family we have right now is the happiest & most secure they have ever had. Both of my marriages to men failed. I receive absolutely no support from either of them even though it is court ordered. I have raised these children on my own with no welfare, no Medicaid, no food stamps... just me working my ass off, sometimes working two jobs.

My family isn't the only one I know that would be effected by this type of ban... I know many gay & lesbian couples that have been together 10-20 even 30 yrs +... I don't know any het couples with that type of stability other than my Father & Step-Mom but then again... they didn't get married until all of "kids" were already adults.




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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/5/2006 10:20:00 PM   
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   I think that the Republican party is playing the gay marriage card in such a way, to


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Personally.... I could really careless. The only time I think about it is when I read these forums.



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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/5/2006 10:29:22 PM   
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So, did A/anyone contact Y/your Senators?
 
pinkee


I sure did -- I wrote a letter to Gordon Smith and Ron Wyden, telling them both  that I come into contact with between  700-900 people a day, and eighty percent of them are mad as hell and bitching about the borders being open  - and they better act fast before they lose their jobs


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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/5/2006 10:42:32 PM   
SeekingaServant


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Status: offline 		I just wanted to add my opinion in this mix. I was raised by two lesbians after being in a very bad situation with my first adoptive family.
I will never say that being hetro cause the first family to go down a bad road, nor will I say the lesbians were better.  Infact, people are people. They ended up splitting up after 25 years together, thus causing a broken home for me and my brother, once again. It doesn't matter who you are sleeping with. Your personal character is what guides the relationship and getting married doesn't make any difference.
Being raised by the lesbians was no different from straight parents (I assume), until that one day that my butch(er) mom asked me if I was having sex with my best friend....while we were driving in the car together! omg how embaressing!  Course, she did ask my bf at a later point if we were having sex...maybe she was just obsessed with sex in general.

I'm personally of the opinion that marriage should be banned all together. Its meerly a legal contract between 2 people that over 50% of the time fails. The legal ramifications aren't strict enough. If you enter in to a contract with a builder to have your house built, and he doesn't stick with the job but quits half way through. You take him to court for breach of contract. If you divorce, most states are a 50/50 split of property.  Where as, since you did not breach the contract rather your ex-spouse did...he or she should forfiet all property. I amend this in causes of sever abuse...(outside the bdsm confines) wherein the abuser should forfeit all rights and property.


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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/5/2006 11:18:28 PM   
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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/5/2006 11:57:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Personally, I am straight as an arrow.  But I also believe in freedom of choice and expression.  If two people love each other, whether it be male/male, female/female, or heterosexual, it is up to the couples.  Congress has no right, nor other countries, to dictate who we marry.  It is our choice as adults. 

Personally, I would tell congress as a whole to stay the fuck out of the bedroom and deal with other matters of state.  Bush has done some stupid policies in the past but this one takes the cake. 



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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/6/2006 4:11:07 AM   
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"Marriage between one man and one woman does a better job protecting children better than any other institution humankind has devised," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn. "As such, marriage as an institution should be protected, not redefined."


Err, this is a joke, right? How, exactly does marriage between one man and one woman do a better job of protecting children? Have there been studies to back that statement up? Surely it can't be because nearly 50% of all marriages end in divorce? Last time I checked divorce wasn't all that great of an experience for kids.

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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/6/2006 12:46:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just an interesting note.  Republicans aren't too worried about this issue because the majority of people under 40 don't care about gay marriage.  But Republicans aren't dropping the issue becuase people under 40 are the ones NOT voting...    For all those who support gay marriage.....   did you vote in the last election?   (I know most of us on here have)  :)

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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/6/2006 12:53:17 PM   
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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/6/2006 3:21:47 PM   
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So, did A/anyone contact Y/your Senators?


I did.  I've been a contributor and member of the Human Rights Campaign for a couple years, now, and have definitely done my fair share of letter writing on this issue.  There is absolutely NO argument anyone can give that presents a reasonable, logical reason why two same-sex individuals should not be married.

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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/6/2006 6:45:02 PM   
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 "Marriage between one man and one woman does a better job protecting children better than any other institution humankind has devised," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn. "As such, marriage as an institution should be protected, not redefined." 


I used to work for a lesbian couple.  A few years ago they adopted two little boys.  Their mother had divorced their father when he went to jail and decided that she could not raise the little ones any longer due to her drug addiction.  In their short lives, the 6 year old had had every bone in his body broken and had been used as an ashtray.  The husband and his buddies thought that it was fun to watch the three year old on crack. 

When they came to live with this couple, the boys never smiled, had horrible nightmares, and acted out in school.  Now they are at the top of their classes in school and are active in sports and after school activities.  Somehow I think that those boys are better protected being raised by lesbians than by the two people who were entitled by law to marry.

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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/6/2006 11:19:51 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		You Gays out there who want to get married, I gotta tellya something.

You really don't want this.

You can swear allegiance to anyone you choose, the only time the federalis are involved is when you get a marriage license. You know eagles, wolves and whales mate for life. It is an understood thing, you are mine, I am yours. Does the government sex them first ?

They have no ceremony even, but if Gays want to get married I suggest a slightly different ritual, to say the least.

You know why every divorce ends up with two losers ? It is because the government is involved. Personally I don't give a shit what you do, enjoy life. Don't worry about what I think of it. Do what you want to do, but I highly advise against getting the government involved. No matter what they do, they will fuck you, and not in the nice way.

If you want to have children, I say you should keep up appearances, but at one time or another you do reveal yourself. You must be honest with kids, but you don't have to do it before they can handle it. Do yoiu want them going through the shit you went through ?

Another thing, if you get legally married and then divorced, you children are a ward of the state, like I was. My Parents divorced when I was ten years old. that was a trip for me.

On another note, why hasn't Lesbian marriage come to a boil ? They are strangely silent on this issue (I could be wrong, couldn't read it all tonight, will soon).

OK, I am straight, but then if  a Woman gets the attitude she wants to keep me, I will jump the broom, go out on my buddy's boat or whatevert it takes. I will not get a license to do what is my right under the Creator's Law. I simply do not need it.

You want to include people on your 'family plan' at work, I think that should not be a problem. Name the names, you get so many. Use them up, it's over. Or pay for each name. Many people do.

Thing is, a 'hetero' will get a deal on it, that is based on the whim of the employer, he is wrong. Even though I am as 'hetero' as they come, I am willing to help. Now what ? A modified bill ? One that prohibits certain actions by he emplooyer, and the cost kept in check;.none of this "He might have AIDS" bullshit.

If you want to stomp out intolerance, with which I agree, certain things must happen. In this forum there are those unable or unwilling to tolerate me. That is beyond the scope of this text.

By involving the government, all you are doing is jamming yourselves up later. Any involvement by 'them people' is bad. When, and I ask you this now, when has government involvement ever helped asnyone ? the 1940s , no, 1800 something ? No, I'm sure someone will cite some examples.

If you want to do that, now count up those negative influences.After that, do the math. Heck, I don't even want heterosexual marriage controlled by the gov. Whenever they get involved everybody loses.

See what I mean ?

T

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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/6/2006 11:38:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		My parents are your typical male and female family, and I was sexually abused my whole child hood, by one and pychically and emotionally abused and verbally abused. by my mother. I was sexually solicited by my foster moms x husband. My own mother was abused by her mom and her family memebers. I can site plenty of male marries woman  instances of abuse.

It's a crock of shit that man and woman marriages, provide better care. PEOPLE NOT GENDERS provide better care

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ORIGINAL: darq

pinkee is in favor of gay marriage ... she wants us to oppose the proposal to ban gay marriage ..

I'm the one who's against it. For personal reasons ... No I'm not afraid of being married to a gay person ... I just think its wrong.

"Marriage between one man and one woman does a better job protecting children better than any other institution humankind has devised," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn. "As such, marriage as an institution should be protected, not redefined."


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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/7/2006 12:03:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

You Gays out there who want to get married, I gotta tellya something.

You really don't want this.

You can swear allegiance to anyone you choose, the only time the federalis are involved is when you get a marriage license. You know eagles, wolves and whales mate for life. It is an understood thing, you are mine, I am yours. Does the government sex them first ?

They have no ceremony even, but if Gays want to get married I suggest a slightly different ritual, to say the least.

You know why every divorce ends up with two losers ? It is because the government is involved. Personally I don't give a shit what you do, enjoy life. Don't worry about what I think of it. Do what you want to do, but I highly advise against getting the government involved. No matter what they do, they will fuck you, and not in the nice way.

If you want to have children, I say you should keep up appearances, but at one time or another you do reveal yourself. You must be honest with kids, but you don't have to do it before they can handle it. Do yoiu want them going through the shit you went through ?

Another thing, if you get legally married and then divorced, you children are a ward of the state, like I was. My Parents divorced when I was ten years old. that was a trip for me.

On another note, why hasn't Lesbian marriage come to a boil ? They are strangely silent on this issue (I could be wrong, couldn't read it all tonight, will soon).

OK, I am straight, but then if  a Woman gets the attitude she wants to keep me, I will jump the broom, go out on my buddy's boat or whatevert it takes. I will not get a license to do what is my right under the Creator's Law. I simply do not need it.

You want to include people on your 'family plan' at work, I think that should not be a problem. Name the names, you get so many. Use them up, it's over. Or pay for each name. Many people do.

Thing is, a 'hetero' will get a deal on it, that is based on the whim of the employer, he is wrong. Even though I am as 'hetero' as they come, I am willing to help. Now what ? A modified bill ? One that prohibits certain actions by he emplooyer, and the cost kept in check;.none of this "He might have AIDS" bullshit.

If you want to stomp out intolerance, with which I agree, certain things must happen. In this forum there are those unable or unwilling to tolerate me. That is beyond the scope of this text.

By involving the government, all you are doing is jamming yourselves up later. Any involvement by 'them people' is bad. When, and I ask you this now, when has government involvement ever helped asnyone ? the 1940s , no, 1800 something ? No, I'm sure someone will cite some examples.

If you want to do that, now count up those negative influences.After that, do the math. Heck, I don't even want heterosexual marriage controlled by the gov. Whenever they get involved everybody loses.

See what I mean ?

T


Why shouldn't any equal tax payer, and contributing member of society, and fellow human being  be granted the same legal rights as others?   Our government is discriminating against a minority.   It's the 'You gays....' mentality that is making this such an issue. 

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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/7/2006 12:16:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I will be honest here...I am not pro-gay marriage...simply because it becomes a religious issue (in my view), and most of the same sex couples want to get married so they can have rights as spouses and for inheritance and tax purposes. It is a free country, so everyone is entitled to their opinion, those for or against same sex marriages. Yes, even though I am young, I guess I am an old school conservative type. In any case, couples are couples, and each to their own...I also think gays and lesbians can raise children, and they are not "better" than a straight couple, it depends on who they are, what they are like, the core values of caring for another living being, that is what it comes down to. Therefore I agree with darq on this issue...those who oppose it are not short-sighted, or gay themselves, we just have a right to dissent to something we dont agree with, right? Just my view..... peace.

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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/7/2006 12:27:00 AM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		So, to make a long story short, you object to gay marriage for religious reasons, right?

Have you heard of separation of church and state?

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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/7/2006 12:31:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

So, to make a long story short, you object to gay marriage for religious reasons, right?

Have you heard of separation of church and state?


hehe...yes for those reasons...I dont think the church needs to change its views because they are "perceived" as wrong or old fashioned....
I totally agree with separation of church and state...in fact they dont go together well, Iran being an extreme example....however, I think they should be able to have their rights without being married...

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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/7/2006 12:46:47 AM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		How about the right to be married?  That's the issue.

I'm not trying to difficult--I just really don't understand your position.  You say you accept the concept of separation of church and state, and yet still believe gays should not be allowed to marry because your church opposes it.  How is that anything other than a contradiction?  I thought the whole point of separation of church and state is that the law is not supposed to be determined on a religious basis.  What you think is right, and what you think is right for the country, are two different things.

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I think they should be able to have their rights without being married...

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RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes - 6/7/2006 1:22:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am of the firm belief that consenting adults have the right to marry. Not that they should be 'allowed' to marry. No one 'allowed' me to get married.  Not that they should be 'allowed' to have some sort of civic union. Screw all that. MARRIAGE. If they want to, then they should, period. Gender isn't the issue and if the dictionary says that marriage is between a man and a woman.. then that fucking definition needs to be change from 'man and woman' to 'consenting adults.'

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