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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/1/2012 1:19:03 PM

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You don't find such language offensive, then?

You obviously don't know what a non sequitur is.

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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/1/2012 1:20:10 PM

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Tea party patriots tweeted he was an american hero.

Bullshit. Till you can provide proof that the various Tea Party organizations (of which there are several) officially and publicly stated the crazy fuck was a "hero" for his actions, your allegation is false. Just more Lefty blathering you stole off some looney-Lib website.

EXAMPLE: This black man stated he wants to kill white people's babies -- i.e.., "you ganna have to kill some of their babies".

"You Gonna have to kill some of their babies"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLWmo2kCa8o

So by YOUR reasoning, because this ONE black man said this, then ALL black men MUST believe the SAME as he does. Uhhh... NO!!! In order to show wide-spread support/belief of this idiot's comments, they'd have to be formally, officially, and publicly embraced/repeated by the NAACP or Congressional Black Caucus, for example, or at the very least, there'd need to be repeated evidence of a large number of people repeatedly embracing the idiot's comments -- of which there is not.

Thus, your alleged "tweet" from a twit is both meaningless and fails to support your empty, nonsensical allegation -- though I dont expect you to ever understand this, as "you are too single minded in your hate for anything to get past the bubble."

Like most Hatriots you cant see facts thorugh the bloodlust I already posted the tweet it's from the offical account...KEY WORD OFFICIALoffical Twitter account Tea Part patriots So now if the one black man who tweeted it was tweeting it fromthe offical NAACP twitter account I think you's have a good analogy but you hate so hard you cant see facts

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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/1/2012 1:22:20 PM

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You don't find such language offensive, then?

You obviously don't know what a non sequitur is.

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That's a fair question, not a non sequitor.

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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/1/2012 1:25:29 PM

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POLITICALLY CORRECT
: conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated

Soooooooo... Bill Maher referring to a woman as both a "cunt" and "twat" is "political" -- as opposed to completely PERSONAL -- in what way exactly?!! Is there a "cunt" and/or "twat" political designation I'm unware of?!! By all means, please do provide your VAST amount of evidence to support the "political" grounds for referring to a woman as a "cunt" or "twat". *Note: I don't expect a rational answer from you, as none has been offered thus far.

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...basically you say libtards destroyed civility while being against civility.

Please provide the EXACT QUOTE where I stated "libtards" anything. Yanno, you could at least flirt with the idea of the truth at least once in a while?!!

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I wont engage you again...

Ahh... yet another shallow well. lol

You spew without reason I never defended maher. Dude if you cant ecven reamber the hate you spew I am not wasting my time digging it up peace out go trollnsomeone else or go back under the bridge

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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/1/2012 1:42:44 PM

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You don't find such language offensive, then?

You obviously don't know what a non sequitur is.

That's a fair question, not a non sequitor.

So not only do you not know what a non sequitur is, you don't understand what freedom of speech is either. Great. Well here's the deal: If you want to argue that certain types of speech should be "eliminated," I will be against you whether I find them offensive or not. See if you can figure out why.

Take your time.

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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/1/2012 2:13:08 PM

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1800's political campaign. "Hatchet-faced nutmeg dealer"- Stephen Douglas on Abraham Lincoln, has got to be one of the greatest lines ever.

Nutmeg dealers were often accused of selling fake nutmegs made out of wood, so they got the reputation of being frauds and shysters. That's also why Connecticut got the nickname "The Nutmeg State", because merchants from Connecticut supposedly did that.

In essence, incivility is not a new thing in politics.

ty Aylee. I learned something cool today.

Thanks from me too! I found the Lincoln quote but it didn't explain the "nutmeg dealer" part!

ETA: BTW, thanks for leaving out the hatchet-faced part in that initial post!!

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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/1/2012 2:53:47 PM

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Oh my gawdy-gawdy... look how those "Tea Party" folks have embraced the nut job?!! Ummm... NOT!!! Exactly what color is the sky in YOUR world?!! Yet another big YAWN from you.

Austin Area Tea Party Leaders Speak Out About
Joseph Stack Attack & Liberal Media Distortions

"The biggest thing that we found today in Austin, no matter what political affiliation Joseph Stack had, is the human tragedy. We are sorry for him and the people hurt today. This is a personal and community tragedy. Our prayers go out to the victims and to the family of Joseph Stack."

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"Why would he be a Tea Party member? It could have easily been said he was a member of any group. They are just ridiculously mistaken by saying he was a member of Tea Party. Tea Parties are designed to help people, to bring people back to the Constitutional Principles. We want to make the country a good place for all people, not just a select few. We use civil mechanisms, the rule of law, elections, legislation to achieve our goals. Violence has no place at all in what we do.

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These are real people. There was a real tragedy. How these left wing blogs are behaving has nothing to do with what happened today.

I hope there are plenty of friends and family available for the victims and the Stack family. If there is anything that Austin Tea Party Patriots can do for them, we are here to assist."

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"I can say with affirmation that Joseph Stack was not a member of the Austin Tea Party nor was he a member of The Tea Party Movement. Within Mr. Stack’s own writing, one can see clearly that are no shared values or principles with the Tea Party.

After reading Mr. Stack’s February 18, 2010 statement, it is evident he supported anarchy. The Tea Party movement does not advocate anarchy. The Tea Party movement believes in our founding principles so eloquently written in our Constitution.

Mr. Stack repeatedly showed disdain for free-market principles in his statement. The Tea Party movement knows that every American success is rooted in the freedom of our capitalist principles.

Mr. Stack did not believe in paying taxes. The Tea Party movement believes in taxes for the defense of Our Great Nation; however like the majority of Americans – be they Democrat, Republican or Independent – we all believe in reform of the current tax structure. We only differ on the type of reform that is best.

Mr. Stack saw churches as corrupt entities and called them “monsters of organized religion.” He spoke of being
“brainwashed to believe that there is freedom” and declared “violence is the only answer.” The Tea Party movement believes in God, and we know the valuable contributions our churches make each day to our communities across this land.

Thousands of Tea Parties have been held nationwide, a million Tea Partiers marched in our nation’s capital, and not a single act of violence was ever committed by a Tea Party supporter.

There is a common thread that ties every Tea Party across this country to the Austin Tea Party, and that thread is our eternal optimism in America. Tea Partiers believe in the American Spirit, the American Dream and the freedom of the people to peacefully assemble and use the powers granted in the Constitution to restore our nation. Mr. Stack was void of optimism. It is ironic that some members of the media are void of integrity and would try to make an association where one does not exist, as spelled out by Mr. Stack himself."

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"He is a terrorist. End of story. We have noone on our membership lists for Joseph Stack."

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http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=5612#more-5612

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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/1/2012 2:59:34 PM

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I wont engage you again...

You didn't keep your promise.

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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/1/2012 3:33:25 PM

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You don't find such language offensive, then?

You obviously don't know what a non sequitur is.

That's a fair question, not a non sequitor.

So not only do you not know what a non sequitur is, you don't understand what freedom of speech is either. Great. Well here's the deal: If you want to argue that certain types of speech should be "eliminated," I will be against you whether I find them offensive or not. See if you can figure out why.

Take your time.

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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/1/2012 3:54:01 PM

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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/1/2012 4:40:22 PM

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"The DJ being an dumb fuck, bigoted, asshole is pretty obvious but here is what I am wondering... what kind of a dumb fuck father, worried about his kid's sexual orientation, calls a radio station for advice? " Marc2b on the "You should get your gay daughter raped straight" thread.

I agree with Marc2b.

How is it that some people think it's OK to publicize this kind of talk? When did it become OK to haul a friend on TV to tell them you've been fucking their significant other? Why does this seem to be more and more common?

Is this just the circus portion of "Bread and Circuses"?

How else can a single cog be heard over the incessant grinding of 7 billion cogs? Only by meshing imperfectly with its nearby cogs.

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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/1/2012 4:42:40 PM

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You don't find such language offensive, then?

You obviously don't know what a non sequitur is.

That's a fair question, not a non sequitor.

So not only do you not know what a non sequitur is, you don't understand what freedom of speech is either. Great. Well here's the deal: If you want to argue that certain types of speech should be "eliminated," I will be against you whether I find them offensive or not. See if you can figure out why.

Take your time.

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I actually understand the principle here abd in every day cookie cyutter speech I find dehumanizing language offensive . I have np with pejoratives such a N i G ... or S P I C or K I K E.. Cunnyt when used in political speech to refer to opponents they become offensive to morality and decency In everday speech they just expose ignorance. . Do you believe it moral or decent to label an individual with those terms when making a campaign speech or in a debate?

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I actually understand the principle here abd in every day cookie cyutter speech I find dehumanizing language offensive . I have np with pejoratives such a N i G ... or S P I C or K I K E.. Cunnyt when used in political speech to refer to opponents they become offensive to morality and decency In everday speech they just expose ignorance. . Do you believe it moral or decent to label an individual with those terms when making a campaign speech or in a debate?

I actually understand the principle here abd in every day cookie cyutter speech I find dehumanizing language offensive . I have np with pejoratives such a N i G ... or S P I C or K I K E.. Cunnyt when used in political speech to refer to opponents they become offensive to morality and decency In everday speech they just expose ignorance. . Do you believe it moral or decent to label an individual with those terms when making a campaign speech or in a debate?
Done posting too tired and becoming unintelligible'

I actually understand the principle here and in every day cookie cutter speech I find dehumanizing language offensive but valid. I have np with pejoratives such a N i G ... or S P I C or K I K E.. Cunnyt when in general discussuion beyond their offensiveness . I will point out it is offensive and leave it. in political speech to refer to opponents in terms like that I think it becomes become offensive to morality and decency. In everday speech they just expose ignorance. . Do you believe it moral or decent to label an individual with those terms when making a campaign speech or in a debate?

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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/1/2012 5:04:32 PM

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This quote helps flesh out my thinking represented in my previous statement:
"He predicted our growing devotion to quantitative trivia that arise from a juxtaposition of roles and competing spectacles, and a never-ending succession of, what he calls, "paltry contests - from competitive sports to elections." All this, he says, fuels an abnormal need for representation, to compensate for the feeling of being at the margins of existence. This seems to be modern man, slavishly devoted to commodities, celebrities, politicians, sports teams and sports heroes, compensating for the loss felt by the dividing line being the self and the world that Debord calls THE SPECTACLE."
http://www.amazon.com/The-Society-Spectacle-Guy-Debord/dp/0942299795

So perhaps what is occuring, and of which the "loss of civility" is a symptom, is the logical evolution of the commoditization of social interaction; in essence, we are gradually transforming ourselves into "Avatars" of ourselves. Civility is not necessary when interacting with abstractions of people.

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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/2/2012 4:40:51 AM

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You don't find such language offensive, then?

You obviously don't know what a non sequitur is.

That's a fair question, not a non sequitor.

So not only do you not know what a non sequitur is, you don't understand what freedom of speech is either. Great. Well here's the deal: If you want to argue that certain types of speech should be "eliminated," I will be against you whether I find them offensive or not. See if you can figure out why.

Take your time.

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If you want to argue about non sequitors, how would you define trying to argue that a query as to whether certain types of speech are offensive is the same as calling for those forms of speech to be done away with?

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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/2/2012 9:51:22 AM

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If you want to argue about non sequitors, how would you define trying to argue that a query as to whether certain types of speech are offensive is the same as calling for those forms of speech to be done away with?

I think you're playing musical goalposts here. Mupainurpleasure posted a definition of "political correctness" that called for the elimination of certain types of speech, not merely expressions of disapproval. I objected to that, to which you replied, "You don't find such language offensive, then?" It does not follow from my objection to attempts to eliminate certain types of speech that I don't find them offensive. That's a non sequitur.

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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/2/2012 12:58:30 PM

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Fair enough. As the definition is obvious horseshit to begin with, this was a particularly pointless aside.

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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/2/2012 5:59:46 PM

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* hangs head in shame *

If only we evil liberals could learn to follow the luminous examples of Rush Limbaugh, Lee Atwater, Andrew Breibart, Patrick Buchanan, and any number of our own CM posters.

I lament this every night while struggling to get to bed .....
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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/2/2012 6:10:24 PM

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in essence, we are gradually transforming ourselves into "Avatars" of ourselves. Civility is not necessary when interacting with abstractions of people.

YOU KNOW.... YOU'RE RIGHT ! Let's head that bitch of a future off and well ENTERTAIN MORE!

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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/3/2012 2:58:40 AM

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"The DJ being an dumb fuck, bigoted, asshole is pretty obvious but here is what I am wondering... what kind of a dumb fuck father, worried about his kid's sexual orientation, calls a radio station for advice? " Marc2b on the "You should get your gay daughter raped straight" thread.

I agree with Marc2b.

How is it that some people think it's OK to publicize this kind of talk? When did it become OK to haul a friend on TV to tell them you've been fucking their significant other? Why does this seem to be more and more common?

Is this just the circus portion of "Bread and Circuses"?

It pays to do dumb shit. It also pays to do other people wrong. A guy is banging his neighbors wife as well as his daughter, and he'll get lots of attention. Used to be he would shamed and ridiculed.

You do something dumb and hurt yourself , as dumb fuck are drawn to do. And they'll give you lots of money for your dumb acts.

Doing the right thing and being smart doesn't pay. People these days want attention. They think they are somebody important.

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RE: Whatever Happened to Civility? - 5/3/2012 5:31:03 AM

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It pays to do dumb shit. It also pays to do other people wrong. A guy is banging his neighbors wife as well as his daughter, and he'll get lots of attention. Used to be he would shamed and ridiculed.
You do something dumb and hurt yourself , as dumb fuck are drawn to do. And they'll give you lots of money for your dumb acts.
Doing the right thing and being smart doesn't pay. People these days want attention. They think they are somebody important.

I think you have something there, but your analysis may be off. We pay attention to the celeb's because we fantasize about living that lifestyle (or being their mate), and revel in their falls because it shows they are not perfect. We revel in the baser parts of society in a perversely glorifying way, not explicitly to glorify the behavior, but because it placates us since "at least we're not like them."

What's ironic, is that we hold movie stars up as role model and idols. Movie stars. People who are paid to pretend to be other people. People who are paid to not be who they are. I find that odd.

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