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ORIGINAL: Alecta

Contracts aren't strictly necessary, they're props that help put people in certain frames of mind. Same principle as collars and chains. They aren't necessary between consenting adults either, but we like having them just the same.

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

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ORIGINAL: littlekitten1

But just wondering if its possible to make a sneaky version of a slave contract that actually binds. Has anyone ever heard of it?

There is something in law called "substance over form" which means that courts will look past the "form" of the contract, i.e., the specific words, to the actual intent of the parties to determine what a contract actually means. So my honest opinion is that there really can't be a "sneaky version" of a slave contract.

And remember, if you are talking about actually enforcing a contract, it means there is a dispute over what the contract means and you are in litigation. In which case, if it is to one party's advantage to make the contract unenforceable, that's exactly what their lawyer will do. They will argue it was a contract for slavery and therefore unenforceable by law, regardless of the language in it.

It seems to me that any "contract" for M/s would necessarily not be enforceable in the courts regardless of how carefully one worded it. I think these contracts work only as a promise between the two individuals involved for defining how they would like their relationship to work and to that extent binding on each other only to the extent that each of you is a trustworthy individual. The moment there is a disagreement and one of the M/s couple actually tries to sue under the contract, the other party is going to claim it is an unenforceable contract and I think no court will uphold any type of agreement that it thinks has anything even remotely to do with slavery, even in its BDSM context.

To me, disposition of assets on break-up, pre-nuptials, employment contracts are all protected by law - so if you have a contract that only speaks to those things then, of course, it will be enforceable, but those are not really "slave" contracts by any stretch of the imagination (regardless of how enslaved by my employer I feel).

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

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ORIGINAL: littlekitten1

But just wondering if its possible to make a sneaky version of a slave contract that actually binds. Has anyone ever heard of it?

There is something in law called "substance over form" which means that courts will look past the "form" of the contract, i.e., the specific words, to the actual intent of the parties to determine what a contract actually means. So my honest opinion is that there really can't be a "sneaky version" of a slave contract.

And remember, if you are talking about actually enforcing a contract, it means there is a dispute over what the contract means and you are in litigation. In which case, if it is to one party's advantage to make the contract unenforceable, that's exactly what their lawyer will do. They will argue it was a contract for slavery and therefore unenforceable by law, regardless of the language in it.

It seems to me that any "contract" for M/s would necessarily not be enforceable in the courts regardless of how carefully one worded it. I think these contracts work only as a promise between the two individuals involved for defining how they would like their relationship to work and to that extent binding on each other only to the extent that each of you is a trustworthy individual. The moment there is a disagreement and one of the M/s couple actually tries to sue under the contract, the other party is going to claim it is an unenforceable contract and I think no court will uphold any type of agreement that it thinks has anything even remotely to do with slavery, even in its BDSM context.

To me, disposition of assets on break-up, pre-nuptials, employment contracts are all protected by law - so if you have a contract that only speaks to those things then, of course, it will be enforceable, but those are not really "slave" contracts by any stretch of the imagination (regardless of how enslaved by my employer I feel).

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

So basically you want to be forced to obey. hhhmm...most doms I know would tire of that very very quickly....contract or no contract. I'm sure you can find some guy that's willing to do it in the bedroom..but full time? Good luck.

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But I think the true lesson in the above is that someone needs to read an entire contract carefully to avoid being in such a position in the first place.  The contract isn't exactly "sneaky," rather it is hoping that like the OP people won't read the whole thing and will skip over the fine print.

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ORIGINAL: SexyThoughts
But in the West, the only non consensual scenario I know of, is to find someone who has bills over their head, like mortgage payment or medical bills And if they do what you want them to do, you give them some charity to stay afloat a bit more. If they're ungrateful and stop, you stop paying and let societies laws sink them.

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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But I think the true lesson in the above is that someone needs to read an entire contract carefully to avoid being in such a position in the first place.  The contract isn't exactly "sneaky," rather it is hoping that like the OP people won't read the whole thing and will skip over the fine print.

And people wouldn't read our one paragraph of terms, despite there being a link on the home page, spelled out on the credit card page, and included in the email invoice and paper invoice sent with the product.

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ORIGINAL: SexyThoughts

(I'm not evangelizing it BTW, merely pointing out it's about the only legal way in the West to make someone sex you or else they'll be the one in trouble with the law, which is what this threads about)

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: SexyThoughts
(I'm not evangelizing it BTW, merely pointing out it's about the only legal way in the West to make someone sex you or else they'll be the one in trouble with the law, which is what this threads about)

There is no legal way to make someone sex you. Period.

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ORIGINAL: littlekitten1

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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But I think the true lesson in the above is that someone needs to read an entire contract carefully to avoid being in such a position in the first place.  The contract isn't exactly "sneaky," rather it is hoping that like the OP people won't read the whole thing and will skip over the fine print.

And people wouldn't read our one paragraph of terms, despite there being a link on the home page, spelled out on the credit card page, and included in the email invoice and paper invoice sent with the product.

To my defense, when that happened, I was underage and it was actually my mom who had taken care of the whole thing. I still signed of course, but I never bothered my young, naive head with it. I had just assumed the membership would end. But it continued for years, even after I was an adult, and the bill had transfered to just me. So I was sitting there with a bill, that at the time seemed like more money than I'd ever had before.

Either way, it taught me to read what I buy before I buy it.

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

remember that point you made in other thread about misinformation? i think it applies in this thread.

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ORIGINAL: SexyThoughts
But in the West, the only non consensual scenario I know of, is to find someone who has bills over their head, like mortgage payment or medical bills And if they do what you want them to do, you give them some charity to stay afloat a bit more. If they're ungrateful and stop, you stop paying and let societies laws sink them.