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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/3/2012 6:58:29 PM   
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HI!

I am a non-operative MtF Transsexual. I am non-op by choice. However, just because I choose not to change my bits does not in any way invalidate my internal sense of myself - which feels mostly female. I transverse the boundaries between both genders, presenting as male and female depending on the circumstance. I observe many traditional female traits - I shave, my toes are always painted, my hair is long, my eyebrows tweezed and my ears are both pierced. I wear many female clothes even when I am presenting as male.

My reasons for not fully transitioning have to do with my life to this point, my relationship which I deeply value...and frankly the fact that I am able to achieve "authenticity and self" exactly as I am.

It is really not hard to interact with someone expressing gender variance. Simply address them with the gender pronouns for which they are presenting. If you are not sure, politely ask what pronouns they would prefer.

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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/3/2012 9:18:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Reikm

Alright.

I have noticed there is a lot of confusion on this site about the above terms, and honeslty I blame Collar Me for lumping TV with TG and TS.

Transgender: A person born feeling they are of the wrong gender.
Transsexual: A transgender who decides to start transition.
Pre OP Transsexual: A transsexual who has yet to do sexual reassignment surgery.
Post OP Transsexual: A transsexual who has had sexual reassignment surgery.
Non OP Transsexual: A transsexual who feels they are of the opposite sex, but has no interest in sexual reassignment surgery.
MTF (Male to Female) Transsexual: A Male who feels they are actually a female and is in transition.
FTM (Female to Male) Transsexual: A Female who feels they are actually a male and is in transition.
Transition: The name for the process in which a Transsexual changes from one gender to the other. Involves dressing full time as the gender, Hormone Replacement Therapy, and for some Sexual Reassignment Surgery.
HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy): A process of blocking the bodys natural hormones and supplementing them with the other genders hormones.
SRS (Sexual Reassignment Surgery): The final stage of transition except for Non OPs. Involves turning the current genitals into the other genders genitals.
Gender Identity: The gender the person most identify with.

Transvestite: A man or woman who still feels they are a man or woman but likes to cross dress in the other genders clothing and gender bend.

Important to note that MTFs can be lesbians, and FTMs can be gay, gender identity and sexual preference are not linked.


I'm sorry, Reikm, but I believe you're wrong. Your definitions treat sex and gender as though they are interchangeable concepts. They aren't. I know you mean well, and this is a better list than people not having anything to refer to at all, but it needs some real work IMO.

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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/3/2012 9:22:26 PM   
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What is the correct term for someone who chooses to be in-between genders, and identify simultaneously as both male and female?

"Genderfluid" is pretty safe, and someone will help you out if you're trying, much like speaking the native language in a foreign country. Another good approach is to ask directly, "What pronouns do you prefer when I talk/write about you?" Just the question alone means you're more educated on the topic than 99% of the people on the planet, so it is a good ice breaker.

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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/3/2012 9:41:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Reikm

Alright.

I have noticed there is a lot of confusion on this site about the above terms, and honeslty I blame Collar Me for lumping TV with TG and TS.

Transgender: A person who identifies with a gender other than the one the person was coercively assigned at birth (CAAB).
Transsexual: A person who has had sexual reassignment surgery or is planning to have it and/or is taking hormone replacement therapy.
Pre OP Transsexual: A transsexual who has yet to do sexual reassignment surgery.
Post OP Transsexual: A transsexual who has had sexual reassignment surgery.
Non OP Transsexual: A trans* person who has decided against having or is unable to have sexual reassignment surgery.
MTF (Male to Female) Trans* person: A woman who was coercively assigned male at birth.
FTM (Female to Male) Trans* person: A man who was coercively assigned female at birth.
Transition: The name for the process in which a Trans* person changes from the gender CAAB to the preferred gender. May involve dressing full time as the gender, Hormone Replacement Therapy, and/or Sexual Reassignment Surgery.
HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy): A process of blocking the bodys natural hormones and supplementing them with the other genders hormones.
SRS (Sexual Reassignment Surgery): The final stage of transition except for Non OPs. Involves corrective surgery to make the external genitalia match the internal gender identity.
Gender Identity: The gender the person most identify with.

Transvestite: A cisgender man or woman who likes to cross dress in the other genders clothing.

Important to note that MTFs can be lesbians, and FTMs can be gay, gender identity and sexual preference are not linked.


I'm sorry, Reikm, but I believe you're wrong. Your definitions treat sex and gender as though they are interchangeable concepts. They aren't. I know you mean well, and this is a better list than people not having anything to refer to at all, but it needs some real work IMO.


Actually, Red, she's pretty close to spot on. I would substitute more inclusive language, as demonstrated above, but otherwise there isn't a lot to change.

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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/4/2012 2:52:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim
HI!

I am a non-operative MtF Transsexual. I am non-op by choice. However, just because I choose not to change my bits does not in any way invalidate my internal sense of myself - which feels mostly female. I transverse the boundaries between both genders, presenting as male and female depending on the circumstance. I observe many traditional female traits - I shave, my toes are always painted, my hair is long, my eyebrows tweezed and my ears are both pierced. I wear many female clothes even when I am presenting as male.

My reasons for not fully transitioning have to do with my life to this point, my relationship which I deeply value...and frankly the fact that I am able to achieve "authenticity and self" exactly as I am.

It is really not hard to interact with someone expressing gender variance. Simply address them with the gender pronouns for which they are presenting. If you are not sure, politely ask what pronouns they would prefer.

Hi Ottersswim, thanks for giving your perspective. I'm very happy to call a person whatever they prefer and feel most comfortable with as an act of decency - it just seemed a little odd to label a person in what is for most a descriptive way but to apply it in essence according to their own views of self but assume thats an old debate not very relevant to the OP.

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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/4/2012 4:48:24 AM   
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Y'all might consider this a more clearly worded summary.


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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/4/2012 5:41:19 AM   
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Well I appreciate all the conversation on the subject this is bringing up <3

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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/4/2012 7:01:10 AM   
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Reikm, a couple of thoughts for you:

1. You based your perception on people who messaged you. You're here in the forums now, and the collarchat forum folks tend to be different than the collarme folks. We chat and get to know others (including several TGs - you and Otter aren't the only ones here). A lot of the collarme people just sit behind a computer screen and never interact with others and may not be as informed as the collarchat people. In addition, the Denver community has several TGs in it, and the members of the community simply accept them. The best way to have people's perceptions changed isn't marches and protests - it's when you borrow a cup of sugar from a next-door TG.
2. You're TG. As such, your gender identity means a great deal to you. Not so much for 90+% of cisfolks. In the community here, it's not so much that we're accepting as much as it is that nobody really cares. Getting along with people and respecting boundaries is much more important.

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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/4/2012 7:34:57 AM   
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Reikm, a couple of thoughts for you:

1. You based your perception on people who messaged you. You're here in the forums now, and the collarchat forum folks tend to be different than the collarme folks. We chat and get to know others (including several TGs - you and Otter aren't the only ones here). A lot of the collarme people just sit behind a computer screen and never interact with others and may not be as informed as the collarchat people. In addition, the Denver community has several TGs in it, and the members of the community simply accept them. The best way to have people's perceptions changed isn't marches and protests - it's when you borrow a cup of sugar from a next-door TG.
2. You're TG. As such, your gender identity means a great deal to you. Not so much for 90+% of cisfolks. In the community here, it's not so much that we're accepting as much as it is that nobody really cares. Getting along with people and respecting boundaries is much more important.



^^^^this

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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/4/2012 7:42:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

Y'all might consider this a more clearly worded summary.

Or, you might consider it to be incorrect. Many people don't agree with the use of an umbrella term like transgender to toss everyone into the same pot. When you attempt to categorize folks like this, you're walking into a potential minefield.

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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/4/2012 8:25:52 AM   
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And yet, if there is to be any hope in legislating equality, enhancing public awareness, and increasing overall social tolerance and acceptance of gender expression, some form of generalized terminology and grouping is required.

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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/4/2012 8:55:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Reikm, a couple of thoughts for you:

1. You based your perception on people who messaged you. You're here in the forums now, and the collarchat forum folks tend to be different than the collarme folks. We chat and get to know others (including several TGs - you and Otter aren't the only ones here). A lot of the collarme people just sit behind a computer screen and never interact with others and may not be as informed as the collarchat people. In addition, the Denver community has several TGs in it, and the members of the community simply accept them. The best way to have people's perceptions changed isn't marches and protests - it's when you borrow a cup of sugar from a next-door TG.
2. You're TG. As such, your gender identity means a great deal to you. Not so much for 90+% of cisfolks. In the community here, it's not so much that we're accepting as much as it is that nobody really cares. Getting along with people and respecting boundaries is much more important.


Im confused about why this needs to be stated, I just wanted to have a handy link for people. Its already helped multiple trans people ive talked to on CM chats , and it IS in the off topic discussion forums. I dont think im hurting anyone here...

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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/4/2012 9:05:38 AM   
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I'm not suggesting you are hurting anyone. I'm just trying to give you some perspective.

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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/4/2012 9:35:43 AM   
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If you wander into chat rooms, you get what you deserve.
Really, they are filled with idiots.

Beyond that op, they don't come onto the forums so posting here doesn't get through to them.

Ash, if you're born with both genders, then the term is intersexed. Shemale is considered offensive.

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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/4/2012 10:05:33 AM   
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Ash, if you're born with both genders, then the term is intersexed. Shemale is considered offensive.

I thought being born of both genders was a hermaphrodite, which is reputed to be an extremely rare condition in humans, while the more commonly found intersexualism relates to people that are strictly of one biological sex (male or female gonads) but their development is complicated and may even develop as a member of the opposite sex instead.

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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/4/2012 10:20:20 AM   
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"Shemale" is an offensive term meaning a pre-op MtF. AFAIK, "intersexed" and "hermaphrodite" means the exact same thing.

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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/4/2012 10:24:54 AM   
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I thought that as well.

This is an interesting thread.

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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/4/2012 10:37:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

I thought being born of both genders was a hermaphrodite, which is reputed to be an extremely rare condition in humans, while the more commonly found intersexualism relates to people that are strictly of one biological sex (male or female gonads) but their development is complicated and may even develop as a member of the opposite sex instead.



-hermaphrodite is a myth... it's like "Zeus"..

if you really thinka about it for a second (forget the porn). how is the both "sex organs" are found in one person without the possibility of one ruling over the other.

think about it:
if someone have penis & balls.. & vagina.. the balls would cover the vaginal cavity.. & the clit..
in the (porn) it seems that the (balls) are hidden inside.. which is 100% wrong & medically impossible

the "balls" in the male sex organs have their own temperature for them to work..
(that`s why they "dangle" in the summer)... & heeing that they are hidden inside would actually not working what so ever..
(there was a study in India.. where the males tuck their balls inside abdomin.. that would lead to 0% working balls) the study was about the male.. birth-control..

-the other myth is (futanari) that what they called it in animation world..
which is a person who have the both sex working 100% in the same time.. which is impossible.. mathmaticlly..
here a pic to discripe the anatomy of a "futanari"



PS: the "balls" can found outside of the body in "Futanari".. but come`on... its a myth..
Edit: resizing issues

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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/4/2012 10:37:26 AM   
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"Shemale" is an offensive term meaning a pre-op MtF. AFAIK, "intersexed" and "hermaphrodite" means the exact same thing.


Yea, uh this is not right.

Shemale is most often a term used in porn for a person who looks female but has a penis. Because it is synonymous with porn, it is often considered derogatory to use it outside that context.

Intersex and hermaphrodite do not mean the same thing. A hermaphrodite is a mythical condition where the person is said to be wholly male and wholly female. It does not exist in humans.

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RE: Transgender vs Transsexual vs Transvestite - 5/4/2012 10:39:44 AM   
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when you see the above pic... it would be impossible not to ejaculate once another penis is in the vaginal cavity.. pushing the prostate.. (right)


how many Dominant Women who have tried a (prostate massage) on male?

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