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OsideGirl -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 7:14:28 AM)
Or, you could just treat me like an adult and tell me what you want, rather than treating me like an animal that has the intelligence level of a 2 year old.

experiment2 -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 7:23:45 AM)
perhaps some will be interested in this site that involves the training of subs and slaves as puppies or dogs. some very interesting techiniques detailed in the puppy training. It seems to be another form of training and D/s lifestyle. http://www.thedoghouse.org/tdh3/frameset/ the site can be found when searched as www.thedoghouse.org

Karmastic -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 11:49:02 AM)
FR- Yes, there's definitely many similarities, along with just as many differences, as other people have said better than I could. Conceptually, it's the same thing, just with different players. The key to being a good leader is knowing when/how to tailor your approach to match the person (or dog) you're leading. You say you knew the question would be off-putting, because it's obviously not politically correct. It was interesting seeing the different approaches in the responses. Someone else alluded to the biggest difference being dogs are a different species with a totally different mix of instinct versus intelligent analysis, their more limited language/communication set, and our own inability as humans to fully understand their communications/language. I think biggest difference in dynamics translates to dogs being more instinctual & rote than humans. They need to be reminded much more often. This is why you wait in the rain to ensure you're first in the door. Side-note on this - if you're having to do that very often, something's wrong! I think the other biggest difference is that dogs have an even greater affinity for pack behavior than humans. I.e., dogs make better mobs than humans. Humans are better at stopping dead in their tracks, and saying wait - I'm just reacting viscerally and emotionally - let me step back and have my brain rather than my heart (instincts) rule.

JanahX -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 12:04:09 PM)
I think its pretty fucking funny comparing a dogs brain and the way it interacts to the world to a human being. TONS and TONS of similarities ... Just SO MANY OF THEM. I get these types of messages all the time on the other side - I guess I dont see myself as some object or thing that is just going to blindly take orders from someone. As a person, I like to have someone include logic / reasoning / and common sense in requests. Otherwise, I find the person to be rather annoying and irritating. As for training -(to me), its just a bunch of internet BDSM jibberish. One of my most favorite things people ask me on the other side is : Are you trained? Its like wtf? I always reply: what are you talking about, trained in what? - and of course they never reply.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 12:10:07 PM)
THANK YOU, Ladies! Humans are not dogs, or horses, or wolves. They are people, who are part of a larger society that has a set of accepted behaviors.

LaTigresse -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 12:16:25 PM)
FR I somewhat get what OPdude is trying to say. But yeah, as much as Sophie, Nala and Sandy would like to convince me otherwise.......the dog brain and the human brain just flat out works differently. Certainly some dogs are going to be smarter than others (after all, nearly every single person I've known that has dog/s think that THEIR dog is smarter than the average canine.) but the reality is that it's not necessarily about smart or not when comparing humans and dogs. One lives it's life nearly completely in the moment and simply reacting to that moment. Only swayed by taught, instinctual triggers. The other spends more of it's life attempting to reason and problem solve. Constantly reacting to their own brain tape recorders and filtering their triggers and reactions through that. Certainly there is overlap in many aspects and I believe that a topic (internal enslavement) I saw on the forums yesterday speaks a bit to the comparison. But there are as many, if not more, differences than similarities. Even though many of us, for various reasons, would like to believe otherwise.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 12:20:15 PM)
Internal enslavement requires a great deal of CONSCIOUS effort on the part of the slave. It's not all pavlovian bell-ringing.

LaTigresse -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 12:29:43 PM)
Hense "a bit".[:D]

Karmastic -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 1:02:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JanahX I think its pretty fucking funny comparing a dogs brain and the way it interacts to the world to a human being. TONS and TONS of similarities ... Just SO MANY OF THEM. I get these types of messages all the time on the other side - I guess I dont see myself as some object or thing that is just going to blindly take orders from someone. As a person, I like to have someone include logic / reasoning / and common sense in requests. Otherwise, I find the person to be rather annoying and irritating. As for training -(to me), its just a bunch of internet BDSM jibberish. One of my most favorite things people ask me on the other side is : Are you trained? Its like wtf? I always reply: what are you talking about, trained in what? - and of course they never reply. i'm glad you're entertained. i don't think it's funny, or sad or any emotion for that matter. just interesting to discuss. discussing and comparing species doesn't give me any emotional response, but i can see how it would for you based on your experience with emails on the dating side of this site. re blindly taking orders from someone...i wonder if you've ever cared for or owned a dog? they most definitely don't blindly take orders, and follow for similar reasons humans do. and to the earlier point about being able to freely discuss this interesting topic - i find it interesting to discuss just how much "logic / reasoning / and common sense" dogs do put into deciding who/how/when to follow. From the sound of it, you don't think they put much into it?

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 1:11:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subbyinlosangele I understand your point, but I think the way you are expressing it would be offputting to most people. I think the large majority of submissives wouldn't want to be in a relationship where there are being compared to a dog in the way you are laying this out. WOOF!!! I mean... [sm=agree.gif]

Karmastic -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 1:16:14 PM)
good post LaTig. sorry i got lazy, see my answers in bold... quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse ...the dog brain and the human brain just flat out works differently... totally agree, but still too many similarities to dismiss; i.e., it's a valid discussion. ...One lives it's life nearly completely in the moment and simply reacting to that moment. Only swayed by taught, instinctual triggers. The other spends more of it's life attempting to reason and problem solve. Constantly reacting to their own brain tape recorders and filtering their triggers and reactions through that. i agree conceptually, but believe you're over-simplifying it. i disagree on there being such polar differences for all humans and all dogs. It's two intersecting continuums. i've seen humans react entirely in the moment, only swayed by instinct. And, i've seen dogs problem-solve and filter triggers and reactions. Certainly there is overlap in many aspects... But there are as many, if not more, differences than similarities. Even though many of us, for various reasons, would like to believe otherwise. that's a nebulous thing to gauge and measure. of course it's human-centric to suggest we start an analysis of dogs by starting with how humans think. but it's just as folly to be dismissive, and suggest that it's not a valid thing to discuss because you believe there are more differences than similarities.

Lucifyre -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 1:28:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus Internal enslavement requires a great deal of CONSCIOUS effort on the part of the slave. It's not all pavlovian bell-ringing. Not all maybe, but you have to admit that there are tons of things that D/s partners do that have a similar effect. For instance: "Take an enema and put your buttplug in and cuffs on before I get home" might make some submissives hard as a rock or wet as Niagra falls...knowing the what comes after master or mistress comes home. The command is the bell, the arousal is the drooling. Lucifyre

littlewonder -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 1:35:48 PM)
Master compares training a slave to training a pet all the time. To him they are very similar and he uses similar techniques. It works for us.

MariaB -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 1:37:01 PM)
Firm but kind, dedicated motivational and very consistent. I like to think that I'm all of these things with my submissive. I know that I am all of these things with my dog. I think too much is being read into this because the op became more explicit than he needed to. Its nothing to do with the sub/slave being like a dog and all to do with the certain good traits that can be passed from human to animal with very positive results.

Karmastic -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 1:37:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucifyre The command is the bell, the arousal is the drooling. lol, nice.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 1:37:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucifyre quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus Internal enslavement requires a great deal of CONSCIOUS effort on the part of the slave. It's not all pavlovian bell-ringing. Not all maybe, but you have to admit that there are tons of things that D/s partners do that have a similar effect. For instance: "Take an enema and put your buttplug in and cuffs on before I get home" might make some submissives hard as a rock or wet as Niagra falls...knowing the what comes after master or mistress comes home. The command is the bell, the arousal is the drooling. Lucifyre Yes, but OBEYING the command is the important part, and that is the key to internal enslavement, pleasing the master. The arousal is incidental.

tj444 -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 1:38:49 PM)
hmm... interesting OP, what do you do with cats??? You are a dog person, to each his own, and all that.. I prefer cats, I like that cats cant be trained.. lol

LaTigresse -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 1:38:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Karmastic good post LaTig. sorry i got lazy, see my answers in bold... quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse ...the dog brain and the human brain just flat out works differently... totally agree, but still too many similarities to dismiss; i.e., it's a valid discussion. ...One lives it's life nearly completely in the moment and simply reacting to that moment. Only swayed by taught, instinctual triggers. The other spends more of it's life attempting to reason and problem solve. Constantly reacting to their own brain tape recorders and filtering their triggers and reactions through that. i agree conceptually, but believe you're over-simplifying it. i disagree on there being such polar differences for all humans and all dogs. It's two intersecting continuums. i've seen humans react entirely in the moment, only swayed by instinct. And, i've seen dogs problem-solve and filter triggers and reactions. Certainly there is overlap in many aspects... But there are as many, if not more, differences than similarities. Even though many of us, for various reasons, would like to believe otherwise. that's a nebulous thing to gauge and measure. of course it's human-centric to suggest we start an analysis of dogs by starting with how humans think. but it's just as folly to suggest that it's not a valid thing to discuss because you believe there are more differences than similarities. I don't believe I said it was an invalid thing to discuss or said that it shouldn't be discussed. If my opinions of validity, or what I want to discuss on any given day, was the limitation of the forums, it would be a pretty quiet place. On topic, I see the possibility for over simplification on both sides of the fence. My opinion, valid or not, is that an awful lot of dogs are a lot smarter than an awful lot of people. But, that is neither here nor there within the potential for discussion of this topic.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 1:40:57 PM)
A fast reply before I go to dinner... I am a grey parrot companion. You don't train parrots, you elicit their cooperation. They have to be part of the equation, or it just doesn't happen.

Karmastic -> RE: Training a submissive.... (5/4/2012 1:44:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I don't believe I said it was an invalid thing to discuss or said that it shouldn't be discussed. If my opinions of validity, or what I want to discuss on any given day, was the limitation of the forums, it would be a pretty quiet place. On topic, I see the possibility for over simplification on both sides of the fence. My opinion, valid or not, is that an awful lot of dogs are a lot smarter than an awful lot of people. But, that is neither here nor there within the potential for discussion of this topic. tee hee. it's just my opinion of course, but i sensed you and others being either offended or dismissive about making any comparisons. and ya, plenty of dogs smarter than humans at times.

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