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thishereboi -> RE: photo id required (5/5/2012 7:12:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Look, I feel that there should be some proof of citizenship, and there should be some system to prevent voter fraud. I agree, but I still haven't seen anyone address the question. Why does it prove that the right has an evil agenda when they do it, but not the left. And voter fraud doesn't have anything to do with that question.

vincentML -> RE: photo id required (5/5/2012 7:44:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Look, I feel that there should be some proof of citizenship, and there should be some system to prevent voter fraud. I agree, but I still haven't seen anyone address the question. Why does it prove that the right has an evil agenda when they do it, but not the left. And voter fraud doesn't have anything to do with that question. Voter fraud is the reason given for passage of these State laws. The "evil agenda" is voter supression of groups favorable to Democrats . . . . e.g. college students, blacks, and the poor. So please, drop the bogus righteous indignation. Like you really didn't know!!! [8\|]

RemoteUser -> RE: photo id required (5/5/2012 8:30:22 PM)
I'd bring my identification for sure. After all, when I pass out in the bathroom stalls (or on the dining room carpet) I want them to know what address to mail my drunken ass to. I also hold onto that slight ray of hope that I will see horror in their eyes when they discover that a Canadian infiltrated them.

thishereboi -> RE: photo id required (5/6/2012 4:18:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Look, I feel that there should be some proof of citizenship, and there should be some system to prevent voter fraud. I agree, but I still haven't seen anyone address the question. Why does it prove that the right has an evil agenda when they do it, but not the left. And voter fraud doesn't have anything to do with that question. Voter fraud is the reason given for passage of these State laws. The "evil agenda" is voter supression of groups favorable to Democrats . . . . e.g. college students, blacks, and the poor. So please, drop the bogus righteous indignation. Like you really didn't know!!! [8\|] If that is the reason for requiring id, why is everyone making excuses when the left does the same thing?

vincentML -> RE: photo id required (5/6/2012 5:08:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Look, I feel that there should be some proof of citizenship, and there should be some system to prevent voter fraud. I agree, but I still haven't seen anyone address the question. Why does it prove that the right has an evil agenda when they do it, but not the left. And voter fraud doesn't have anything to do with that question. Voter fraud is the reason given for passage of these State laws. The "evil agenda" is voter supression of groups favorable to Democrats . . . . e.g. college students, blacks, and the poor. So please, drop the bogus righteous indignation. Like you really didn't know!!! [8\|] If that is the reason for requiring id, why is everyone making excuses when the left does the same thing? Not the same at all. The Left does not demand ID for VOTING. I think this was mentioned earlier in the thread. Can you not see the inconsistency in your position?

thishereboi -> RE: photo id required (5/6/2012 5:16:50 AM)
quote: Not the same at all. The Left does not demand ID for VOTING. I think this was mentioned earlier in the thread. Can you not see the inconsistency in your position? What difference does it make what it's for? If the only reason a republican can ask for id is to oppress people, then why is it any different for the left? If it had been a republican caucus and they said you have to have id, I am willing to bet the same conclusions would have been drawn about their motives. But I do have good news for the left. All of the 20 people that showed up in Southfield voted to have him run. http://www.freep.com/article/20120505/NEWS15/120505013/Southfield-union-vote-for-Obama-unanimous I don't know which is sadder. The blatant hypocrisy or the fact that only 20 people showed up. Way to support your guy.

Dom4subssub4doms -> RE: photo id required (5/6/2012 5:22:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: Not the same at all. The Left does not demand ID for VOTING. I think this was mentioned earlier in the thread. Can you not see the inconsistency in your position? What difference does it make what it's for? If the only reason a republican can ask for id is to oppress people, then why is it any different for the left? If it had been a republican caucus and they said you have to have id, I am willing to bet the same conclusions would have been drawn about their motives. But I do have good news for the left. All of the 20 people that showed up in Southfield voted to have him run. http://www.freep.com/article/20120505/NEWS15/120505013/Southfield-union-vote-for-Obama-unanimous I don't know which is sadder. The blatant hypocrisy or the fact that only 20 people showed up. Way to support your guy. actually in primaries where VOTING takes place the "left" doesnt have an id law. You seem to confuse caucus activity with an election, Again where is the fraud that makes it neccessary to spend millions on ID laws?

Yachtie -> RE: photo id required (5/6/2012 5:59:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi If that is the reason for requiring id, why is everyone making excuses when the left does the same thing? That's what the left does. Boggles the mind, doesn't it?

thishereboi -> RE: photo id required (5/6/2012 6:07:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dom4subssub4doms quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: Not the same at all. The Left does not demand ID for VOTING. I think this was mentioned earlier in the thread. Can you not see the inconsistency in your position? What difference does it make what it's for? If the only reason a republican can ask for id is to oppress people, then why is it any different for the left? If it had been a republican caucus and they said you have to have id, I am willing to bet the same conclusions would have been drawn about their motives. But I do have good news for the left. All of the 20 people that showed up in Southfield voted to have him run. http://www.freep.com/article/20120505/NEWS15/120505013/Southfield-union-vote-for-Obama-unanimous I don't know which is sadder. The blatant hypocrisy or the fact that only 20 people showed up. Way to support your guy. actually in primaries where VOTING takes place the "left" doesnt have an id law. You seem to confuse caucus activity with an election, Again where is the fraud that makes it neccessary to spend millions on ID laws? I wasn't talking about primaries, I was talking about the motives behind requiring ids for anything. But I have said that many times in this thread and asked for some reasoning. Instead I get the same thing over and over.

thishereboi -> RE: photo id required (5/6/2012 6:08:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi If that is the reason for requiring id, why is everyone making excuses when the left does the same thing? That's what the left does. Boggles the mind, doesn't it? Actually that is what some people on both sides do.

DesideriScuri -> RE: photo id required (5/6/2012 6:45:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dom4subssub4doms actually in primaries where VOTING takes place the "left" doesnt have an id law. You seem to confuse caucus activity with an election, Again where is the fraud that makes it neccessary to spend millions on ID laws? "millions on ID laws?" Millions? Seriously? So, the volunteers at my polling place who ask for my ID, find my signature in the registration books and verify that my signature matches the one I just penned in front of them match well enough are getting some share of "millions?" Dammit, who know a volunteer would be so well pai d?!? Is the practice of my polling place obviously a Republican (my District is more right-leaning than left) attempt to prevent students, minorities, the poor and elderly in my District from voting? Can the same be said about the Democrat-leaning District I used to vote in that used the same process? What about my overwhelmingly Democrat County accepting this policy? Almost any Democratic State/National candidate is assured of locking up my County's support. It sure is too bad that we have to show ID to vote, disenfranchising the poor, the elderly, students and minorities. Who knows what would happen to our pro-Democratic results if we didn't do this. Not everyone in the USA is allowed to vote. You are required to be at least 18 years old. I wonder how we can determine if someone is 18 years or older? In Ohio, you are given a provisional ballot to fill out that is counted after being verified if you aren't in your correct polling place. I wonder how we could determine if a person lives within that voting District? Last, and most definitely NOT least, the only people in the USA that are older than 18 that can vote are Citizens. The overwhelming majority of States require Citizenship to obtain a Driver's License (47). I wonder how we can prove Citizenship?

kalikshama -> RE: photo id required (5/6/2012 6:53:30 AM)
quote: "millions on ID laws?" Millions? Seriously? Yes, and this was mentioned several times on threads on which you participated. The Real Cost of Photo ID [image]local://upfiles/1052865/5BEC661ED2914214B776DAF0A693A6DC.jpg[/image]

Moonhead -> RE: photo id required (5/6/2012 7:01:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I agree, but I still haven't seen anyone address the question. Why does it prove that the right has an evil agenda when they do it, but not the left. And voter fraud doesn't have anything to do with that question. It's probably due to the fact that the "left" hasn't (as yet) had an unelected President put into power by the supreme court after a rash of voter fraud in a Florida election that ended with recounts being stopped illegally. Something like that happening with the Democrats rather than the GOP orchestrating it might lead to people feeling that fiddling American elections was less of a partisan thing.

thishereboi -> RE: photo id required (5/6/2012 7:32:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I agree, but I still haven't seen anyone address the question. Why does it prove that the right has an evil agenda when they do it, but not the left. And voter fraud doesn't have anything to do with that question. It's probably due to the fact that the "left" hasn't (as yet) had an unelected President put into power by the supreme court after a rash of voter fraud in a Florida election that ended with recounts being stopped illegally. Something like that happening with the Democrats rather than the GOP orchestrating it might lead to people feeling that fiddling American elections was less of a partisan thing. Sorry, but all that does is point out that there is voter fraud out there. It doesn't answer the question of why one action is ok if the left does it, but evil if the republicans do it.

DomKen -> RE: photo id required (5/6/2012 7:49:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Dom4subssub4doms quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: Not the same at all. The Left does not demand ID for VOTING. I think this was mentioned earlier in the thread. Can you not see the inconsistency in your position? What difference does it make what it's for? If the only reason a republican can ask for id is to oppress people, then why is it any different for the left? If it had been a republican caucus and they said you have to have id, I am willing to bet the same conclusions would have been drawn about their motives. But I do have good news for the left. All of the 20 people that showed up in Southfield voted to have him run. http://www.freep.com/article/20120505/NEWS15/120505013/Southfield-union-vote-for-Obama-unanimous I don't know which is sadder. The blatant hypocrisy or the fact that only 20 people showed up. Way to support your guy. actually in primaries where VOTING takes place the "left" doesnt have an id law. You seem to confuse caucus activity with an election, Again where is the fraud that makes it neccessary to spend millions on ID laws? I wasn't talking about primaries, I was talking about the motives behind requiring ids for anything. But I have said that many times in this thread and asked for some reasoning. Instead I get the same thing over and over. The id was required to prove you lived where the caucus was being held. Also note that any id would do. The voter suppression laws being passed by Republicans include very restrictive lists of what id's are valid.

Dom4subssub4doms -> RE: photo id required (5/6/2012 8:24:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Dom4subssub4doms quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: Not the same at all. The Left does not demand ID for VOTING. I think this was mentioned earlier in the thread. Can you not see the inconsistency in your position? What difference does it make what it's for? If the only reason a republican can ask for id is to oppress people, then why is it any different for the left? If it had been a republican caucus and they said you have to have id, I am willing to bet the same conclusions would have been drawn about their motives. But I do have good news for the left. All of the 20 people that showed up in Southfield voted to have him run. http://www.freep.com/article/20120505/NEWS15/120505013/Southfield-union-vote-for-Obama-unanimous I don't know which is sadder. The blatant hypocrisy or the fact that only 20 people showed up. Way to support your guy. actually in primaries where VOTING takes place the "left" doesnt have an id law. You seem to confuse caucus activity with an election, Again where is the fraud that makes it neccessary to spend millions on ID laws? I wasn't talking about primaries, I was talking about the motives behind requiring ids for anything. But I have said that many times in this thread and asked for some reasoning. Instead I get the same thing over and over. well when i cash a check i need id because there have been many times popel tried to cash checks illegally and it's documented. I need an id to buy liquor because there are many times when under age people try to buy it.. I need an id at an intial dr visit because with the lack of insurance people do actually try to go under anothers policy....Now what is the resoning ot spend(waste) millions of taxpayer dollars on voter id laws? Where's the fraud? Oh and what's missing in your speel here is PHOTO, They dont even need to be registered to vote only eleigible to register to attend the caucus they just need to bring something to prove they are in the right caucus district. So you see rather than tightening the requirements like you accuse and the suspect email accuses they have loosened them and the id is just some form of porof of residency to act as a name on a registration roll would. I think if republicans were saying bring an electric ill or a gas bill or any other bill with yur address on it as Id there wouldnt be an issue contradicts you, sure that wasnt one of those mioleading republican mailings thaty get sent to confuse voters? Democratic caucus vote The Michigan Democratic Party 2012 Presidential Caucus will take place starting with registration from 9-11 a.m. and voting will begin at 11 a.m. on Saturday, May 5. CONTRIBUTE Story Ideas Send Corrections Voting will take place at the Leo Mahany/Harold Meininger Senior Community Center, 3500 Marais Ave., in Royal Oak; and at Clawson City Hall, 425 N. Main St. The caucus sites are available to all residents who will be eligible to vote in the November election. Residents do not need to be registered to vote or members of the Democratic Party to vote. Those who voted in the Feb. 28 primary are welcome to vote. A photo ID is not required, but participants will be asked to show some proof of residency. For more information, visit www.michigandems.com/page/2012-caucus-site-locations.html or contact Tom Regan at 248-435-0147.

Dom4subssub4doms -> RE: photo id required (5/6/2012 8:26:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi [ Sorry, but all that does is point out that there is voter fraud out there. It I am sorry but there is fraud SHOW ME the Bush Doj looked hard and long and found next to none

Moonhead -> RE: photo id required (5/6/2012 9:48:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dom4subssub4doms quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi [ Sorry, but all that does is point out that there is voter fraud out there. It I am sorry but there is fraud SHOW ME the Bush Doj looked hard and long and found next to none That's because they were concentrating on looking for Democrat voters rather than (say) absentee ballots for the Florida 2000 election that were allowed to go through and without comment despite being far more dubious than most of the Gore ballots that were disallowed. Six hundred odd dubious votes being counted in an election with a winning majority of 537 is definitely fraud, I'd have thought.

LizDeluxe -> RE: photo id required (5/6/2012 10:51:02 AM)
The simple proof of rampant voter fraud was the uproar over photo ID requirements. Had there been no voter fraud in the first place nobody would have complained about presenting a valid voter ID. It's really that simple yet the Mensas on the left cannot see that or willfully ignore it. Everyone has forgotten the axiom from Florida 2000: Democrats want every vote counted. Republicans want every vote counted accurately.

Moonhead -> RE: photo id required (5/6/2012 10:54:54 AM)
Really? So why did team Bush stop the recount after three counties, rather than recounting all of the ballots for the whole state as Florida election laws require?

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