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jlf1961 -> RE: photo id required (5/7/2012 1:39:04 PM)
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
So far I have raised this point a few times and NOBODY has yet to come up with an answer. So let me try again.
You need a valid photo ID to get housing assistance, food stamps, medicaid, and this includes private social service organizations such as church food banks, rent assistance, utility assistance etc.
You need a valid id also to get a job, cash a check, or even to prove who you are if stopped by a LEO.
NOW SOMEONE TELL ME HOW SOMEONE CAN FUNCTION IN SOCIETY WITHOUT A VALID ID IF THEY ARE A CITIZEN OF THE US?
That is because there are two different things being spoken here. Your of the belief that since you use your ID on non-goverment things, you should use it for goverment like things. In this sense, you have already given up your 4th amendment rights so willingly that you never knew that you had them. Its like metaphorically steaming a lobster. If one took a Maine Lobster and placed it in a tank of hot water, it would clammer violently to get out. But freeze it for a half hour THEN place it in; the thing gets cooked without ever knowing it. If Republicans came right out and created laws that openly violated both the written word and the spirit of the amendment, they would be attacked and their plans destroyed. But chip it away in tiny, little pieces over time....and no one notices.
Now, what if such a person sues the goverment, believing their 4th amendment rights are/were violated after being required to show a photo ID while they voted? Saying that they felt there were being accused of trying to commit 'voter fraud' (and the stiff penalties associated with it) if they didnt surrender their papers just to do their civil duty and vote. A good lawyer would be able to craft this arguement to judges pretty well. Even failing at the lower courts would simply be well within the aim of the purpose of making this 'stink'. Its to push it to the US Supreme Court to get a ruling. Of course right now, I doubt that court would take the matter up, being full of mostly conservatives whom apparently believe huge multinational corporations are people like you and me.
Still, if such a lawsuit took place (which is a protected right under the 1st amendment), and was successful, it could send shock waves into other areas. Like not having to show ID to obtain foodstamps and so on. Would that increase fraud in those areas? Maybe, maybe not. Still, it would be wise to increase vigilance after such a ruling and observe the effects.
Now, as for cashing a check, getting a job, etc. Those are requirements the merchant is imposing on you the purchaser. Or, the employeer is giving as a condition to join the workplace. Nothing states you have to purchase or accept the job, if you do not like this requirement being imposed; in fact if you dont like it, take your business else where. If enough persons starting do that, would the business contitiune the practice? For the moment, it is legal to force a citizen to do. The question would be, after the ruling if either of these is affected and in need of being modified. But before running off topic, the matter would have to succesfully be dealt with in the courts. And for that to happen one or more individuals would have to come forward with a pretty hefty arguement on the matter.
Look, I did NOT have ID with me when I registered to vote, now I have to show my ID when I go to vote. I have explained this repeatedly.
Now, please consider the following:
In order for these people to get any kind of assistance in the state, they have to have ID. That is government assistance OR assistance from charities.
If these people are working and getting a paycheck, and they cash said check, how do they do that simple task without an ID. The implication is that these people are working for cash only, are making enough not to need government assistance AND ride a bicycle everywhere. Either that or there is some conspiracy that is preventing them from getting an ID.
Under current employment laws, you need to provide a photo ID, social security card, and sometimes your birth certificate to get a job, how are these people working?
Finally, what is the problem with going down to the local DMV and getting a valid ID?
I can see the problem if the law required that the only valid ID acceptable was a current passport.
If I may point out a simple fact from history, in the past, both democrat and republican political organizations or machines if you will, had a nasty habit of stuffing the ballot boxes with votes from dead people, infants and who knows what else. By the way, I have lived in some counties in the south where these things are still attempted.
As I said before, I am a democrat, but since showing an ID does not tell the voting officials who or what the hell you are going to vote for, what the fuck is the problem?
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