RaspberryLemon
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What is your definition of mental domination? How do you use it or how has it been used on you? Hmm. Mental domination, to me, is just having a psychological influence on the submissive. Knowing them from the inside out--their mind and internal motivations and workings--and knowing how to handle that. It is being able to inspire submission instead of force it. i.e., the submissive wants to obey because of how they feel towards the dominant. They feel compelled internally to obey, not just externally. It is influencing the individual to commit their will to another. Owning the mind and not just the body.
I would say my Master definitely has this influence on me. He is very competent in understanding and handling my mind. I feel completely dedicated to him and committed to obeying and pleasing him, because of who he is to me. Because of the respect, trust, and love I feel for him, and because I admire him deeply. I feel an ingrained pull to defer to and obey him--it is a part of me, deeply and truly.
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How would you define internal enslavement? Again, how does it play out in your relationship (or not)? I'm not sure I have my own definition for this. I hear it as a couple different things. One being simply instilling a slave-like mindset in the submissive, which I would liken to the same as how I defined "mental domination." The other definition I hear is blatant brainwashing--causing a psychological state in which the submissive obeys not out of motivation or dedication, but out of lack of choice, and lack of ability to leave or consider otherwise, even in potentially abusive and damaging situations.
In both cases, I think it involves an internal "need" to be under the owner's authority. It is from where this need comes from that marks the difference, to me.
That being said, the first definition I listed applies to me and my relationship.
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Do you find this type of domination extreme, or do you view it as part n parcel of a "normal" M/s or D/s relationship? I do think both of these things are normal in these types of relationships to an extent. The idea of brainwashing certainly squicks me out, but I don't believe it is "wrong" if it is truly what the people involved want and they know what they are getting into.
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Is there a certain personality type that makes internal enslavement easier? I'm sure there are personality traits that facilitate it more than others, but "personality type" sounds a bit too general to describe it. I think it is much more individual than that, and it really depends on a lot of factors.
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Can you go "too far" with mental domination or internal enslavement? Yes, when the owner abuses or damages his property. Then again, this is not so much going "too far" with the concept, as it is simply misusing it.
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What about loss of autonomy? Do all s-types incur loss of autonomy? Is that the point, from the dominant's perspective? I'm not sure what exactly is meant by "autonomy" in this context, so for the purpose of this conversation at the moment I'll define it as "free will." I don't believe a lack of free will is always characteristic in the submissive. Certainly, they use their own free will to commit and consent to having a certain lack of freedom or choice, but they are still choosing this. Only where the submissive has been internally enslaved in the brainwashing context would I say that they lose their autonomy in the free will sense. They no longer have the option of choice.
However, if you define "autonomy" as "freely (or independently) operating," then certainly all submissives committed to a dominant lose some amount of autonomy. They surrender certain freedoms and control to the dominant. Thus, they are not completely autonomous unless they sever themselves from this type of dynamic. How much autonomy (in this sense) is lost is in some relationships negotiated and up to the submissive as to how much is taken away, and in some relationships it is up to the owner to decide how much autonomy the property will have.
In my case, it is up to my Master how much freedom he gives me, because he has complete authority--after the initial consent to give myself to him as property, my negotiations mean only input for him to make his decisions. But he does not take away my free will. I cannot speak for all dominant types, but my Master wishes me to remain fully intact as a person, which to him includes me obeying out of free will, motivation, and dedication, not mindless obedience. He wants me to retain my individuality and who I am as a person.
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If your s-type loses too much autonomy, what steps do you take to rectify this? Can you "undo" internal enslavement and still keep the slave? I can't really answer this from the dominant perspective, but I can say that my Master has at times given me more or less freedom, wavering with his preference at the time. So for us at least, all that is necessary is for him to let me know what he wants from me, and I act accordingly.
As for undoing internal enslavement... If he were to undo the version of internal enslavement that I view as relevant to myself (internal commitment, not brainwashing,) I would no longer by my definition view myself as a slave. However, I do not see that I am capable of losing my devotion and dedication to my Master as my owner, regardless of what happens. I made a lifetime commitment that I feel I don't have the right to end unless I am being abused. Even if he were to do away with me, I feel that I would still feel the bond and compulsion to serve and obey him as my Master and owner. I love him, and that is unconditional. That is how I feel at this time. I have never had to sever a bond like this from someone, so I really cannot speak from experience.
As for undoing internal enslavement in the brainwashing context...I'm sure in some cases it can be done, but it is most likely a very long and tedious process of reverse conditioning. As for keeping the slave after this has been done...I believe you could, as long as the dedication and motivation to obey and please is still present in the individual towards the owner.
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At the same time though, I can't wait to when I can just do things automatically because 'that's how Sir likes it'.
) but for all of the times there have been some folks who say there is no difference between them, some chose identifying as submissive or slave because they have different definitions between the two. I think a topic such as internal enslavement may highlight those differences for some. 
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