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MrBukani -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (5/12/2012 12:33:02 AM)

just insert actors with CGI... how difficult is it? Can you do it?
You're not talkin about simple photoshoppin.



MrBukani -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (5/12/2012 12:36:12 AM)

The P&R section is screaming everyday how indifferent people become and you see it in live action and instantly dont believe what you see.

Luckily I have been to Prague and did some czech research before.



Pyramus -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (5/12/2012 12:43:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrBukani
Luckily I have been to Prague and did some czech research before.


I haven't been to Prague ... so ... I guess. ... I'll just have to use the search buttons provided for the movies!

:)



RedPolitician -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (5/12/2012 1:03:21 AM)

There are many ways to work within the allowed laws as well. I know that in NYC women can be topless in public so long as it does not serve a commercial purpose, most explicitly prostitution or advertising. That was a recent court ruling in favor a group of activists complaining about men being topless vs women being topless.

Also, just the act of nudity itself can be permitted under many cases. Take those live nude art pieces that occur in just about every major metropolitan city from time to time. You can get away with a lot more in the name of art then just to do it for the hell of it. Would be hard to pull that claim for blatant pornography in a lot of the US however I imagine you could shoot the more tame strictly nudity things.

As for shoot and run guerrilla filming, kink.com is probably a bit too large to afford the risk of that style shooting. Believe it or not, even porn that is only flat out fucking has a script, even if its just outlining the positions and shot angles that they want from their actors. It would make more sense for them to have permits or to do the research to have the law on their side during the shoots. While not everywhere in the world is as strict with nudity as the US (Although you would be shocked at how many jurisdictions do not even realize they lack public nudity laws) and Europe still has quite a few jurisdictions that are tight on those laws, there are many public areas you can film it, as kink.com has clearly shown.

However it is done though, they do a good job of making it believable.



Thaz -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (5/12/2012 2:19:50 AM)

Oh come on. Film the nudity where its legal, film the other stuff in secluded areas or private spaces. Watch for mildy clever cuts and scene shifts. Cost is tiny as your costs are for a few porn stars and crew.

Film in the height of summer very early in the morning (as 28 days later did for many of the deserted Uk scenes) and its easy to do the hardcore bits with low risk. As to Kink.com taking legal risks. I think your assuming a very American view as to the likely hood of legal action, assuming a much higher level of policing and public outrage and an underappreciation of how easy it is to have a third party make the film and take what risks there are.



AlexDom3 -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (5/12/2012 8:51:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FriendlyMuppet

Wait....Star Wars wasn't real???


Don't freak out, it is. These people are crazy.



Blankpain -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (5/12/2012 9:30:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Thaz
Film the nudity where its legal, film the other stuff in secluded areas or private spaces. Watch for mildy clever cuts and scene shifts. Cost is tiny


That!



LaTigresse -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (5/12/2012 2:49:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

just insert actors with CGI... how difficult is it? Can you do it?
You're not talkin about simple photoshoppin.


Yes I can do it and so can anyone with half a brain and the software.

Nearly every single period piece made today uses software editing to add or remove, especially in outdoor scenes. The most difficult part, getting the lighting to work.



FullCircle -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (5/12/2012 5:04:05 PM)

My judgement would be that before considering camera trickery they'd ask themselves if there were some place they could get away with quickly doing it for real. The answer to that question would probably be yes there are plenty of such places.

Also camera equipment is small and portable so even if the authorities cared they'd be chasing ghosts in overcoats. You have to see how long the clips are and that'll give some indication of how complicit the authorities are in such places. Do they have other priorities, is it against the law meaning they can act to stop it or are they being paid to look the other way?



MrBukani -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (5/12/2012 11:55:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBukani

just insert actors with CGI... how difficult is it? Can you do it?
You're not talkin about simple photoshoppin.


Yes I can do it and so can anyone with half a brain and the software.

Nearly every single period piece made today uses software editing to add or remove, especially in outdoor scenes. The most difficult part, getting the lighting to work.

Anyone with half a brain can do it but its hard to make the lighting work? Make up your mind is it easy or hard?
And really does anybody think these people even bother working with CGI?
Oh yeah some do.[:D]




graceadieu -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (5/13/2012 5:24:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBukani

just insert actors with CGI... how difficult is it? Can you do it?
You're not talkin about simple photoshoppin.


Yes I can do it and so can anyone with half a brain and the software.

Nearly every single period piece made today uses software editing to add or remove, especially in outdoor scenes. The most difficult part, getting the lighting to work.


I dunno. I mean, Hollywood period pieces have budgets in the tens of millions of dollars - even as glossy as Kink.com is, I doubt they're spending anywhere near that on a shoot. And even if money wasn't an issue (I've no idea how much it costs) I don't know if a good SFX shop would be willing to work with a fetish porn site. They'd probably see it as bad for their PR.



David519 -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (5/13/2012 4:10:36 PM)

I hate to break your bubble but with modern computers and up to date enthusiast grade computers you can pretty much fake anything.

Some of the scenes are real but are in secluded, private areas. The ones where a naked girl is being led down the street past a cafe where there's maybe one guy looking at her are fakes...and the one guy looking at her is part of the porn shoot.



Pyramus -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (5/13/2012 11:37:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: David519
The ones where a naked girl is being led down the street past a cafe where there's maybe one guy looking at her are fakes...and the one guy looking at her is part of the porn shoot.


Damn. You ruined the movie for me!



LadyConstanze -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (5/14/2012 12:26:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

just insert actors with CGI... how difficult is it? Can you do it?
You're not talkin about simple photoshoppin.


I can't do it because I don't work in that field, however I know people who make their living working with CGI - and they do it every day... Usually they do it for big budget movies but some don't mind moonlighting for porn - now think how people with the tech in a country that's economically struggling will feel about it? Use what you know or pretend to be from Nigeria and to need a mere 10K to get all those millions out... What might be a better option?

You might be able to rent a street for a shot cheaply in Eastern Europe, but that does not protect you when it comes to the laws, it might actually be a lot cheaper to pay somebody who's able to insert CGI than pay the fines or bribes... And you know, a struggling economy would not mind paying somebody a bit of money for reporting a violation they can cash in on...



LaTigresse -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (5/14/2012 3:44:09 AM)

Yeah, and it's not like porn isn't a multi billion dollar industry or anything....

Sometimes I just gotta wonder how innocent/naive/ignorant some people are.



Thaz -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (5/14/2012 12:42:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

You might be able to rent a street for a shot cheaply in Eastern Europe, but that does not protect you when it comes to the laws, it might actually be a lot cheaper to pay somebody who's able to insert CGI than pay the fines or bribes... And you know, a struggling economy would not mind paying somebody a bit of money for reporting a violation they can cash in on...


Or you might find it cheaper still to just pay some dude 500 euro to film it and run fast if the law shows up. I certainly think thats the simplest, cheapest and therefore IMHO most likely explanation.

This will only be solved if an authoritive source in the industry fesses up (unlikely as yes CGI ruins the illusion and NO admits liability) or someone with the skills and tech rips the movies and convinces all of us they know what they're talking about and telling the truth (equally unlikely as this is the internets).

I think we're at an impasse, but what the heck.

Thaz



warlock1935 -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (5/18/2012 4:45:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Thaz


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

You might be able to rent a street for a shot cheaply in Eastern Europe, but that does not protect you when it comes to the laws, it might actually be a lot cheaper to pay somebody who's able to insert CGI than pay the fines or bribes... And you know, a struggling economy would not mind paying somebody a bit of money for reporting a violation they can cash in on...


Or you might find it cheaper still to just pay some dude 500 euro to film it and run fast if the law shows up. I certainly think thats the simplest, cheapest and therefore IMHO most likely explanation.

This will only be solved if an authoritive source in the industry fesses up (unlikely as yes CGI ruins the illusion and NO admits liability) or someone with the skills and tech rips the movies and convinces all of us they know what they're talking about and telling the truth (equally unlikely as this is the internets).

I think we're at an impasse, but what the heck.

Thaz

I don't know how authoritative I am, but I AM in the industry - BondageMaidens.com - and I personally haven't heard of anyone using CGI in Bondage porn. Adult porn done by the majors like Evil Angel budgets $12K to $25k per shoot; Kink seems to be the biggest budget studio around, and I think their shoots run $3000 - $5000 per day. Most studios are much lower budget than that.

If you look closely, you'll notice even Kink is now doing one-camera shoots - we're probably the last studio still using two cameras. There are several reasons for that, but the main one is it takes a lot more time to edit with two cameras, and again, bondage is a niche market, so budgets are tight.

In any case, CGI isn't necessary - when I've done public shoots here, I just picked a spot with no kids and easy escape routes and had a helper carrying an overcoat. We'd strip her, shoot for an minute or two, clap the coat on her, and disappear, then repeat either on the next block or a half hour later. Put all the short clips together and they appear to be all one shoot.

Two weeks ago I watched some friends of mine do a hook suspension of a model at the entrance to a mall in Little Tokyo. That involved doing the makeup and costume before hand at the studio, then hooking her up, then (Carefully) loading her and the rigging into the van; the rest of us followed in cars. Now, aside from Producer, my title is Rigger; I'm the male lead in our shoots. But these guys are light years more advanced than I am. They threw their lines over beams and had her six feet in the air in about a minute flat. We all took photos like crazy, they took her down and gathered up the rigging and we were out of there so fast a crowd didn't have time to form.

... Submitted for what it's worth.



Kana -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (5/18/2012 1:22:55 PM)

Tangenting a bit, but still on the subject of Public Bondage in the US, the Baltimore City Paper did an article on a group of locals who do "guerrilla public bondage"
An interesting read...speaking of which, I wouldn't be surprised to find our own SheisReeds involved in this crew. I don't have any knowledge persee, but it sounds kinda like her crew...

http://citypaper.com/news/baltimore-guerrilla-suspension-crew-1.1261828



Blankpain -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (6/11/2012 6:29:36 AM)

See also:
Sex in Public [ Eastern Europe ] Myth vs Real
sex in public - where can it be done legally?



FemalecumLover -> RE: What is it about eastern european D/s that they can play with models in an open city? (6/11/2012 2:21:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FriendlyMuppet

Wait....Star Wars wasn't real???


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That cracks me up man
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