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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/18/2012 6:01:36 PM   
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Maybe you missed this small fact, but ONE post does not qualify as "chattering on" -- where of course, YOUR HUNDREDS OF POSTS "sticking your nose in someone else's life" (which does NOT concern YOU and YOURS) would most definitely qualify as "chattering on".  Aren't facts fun?!!



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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/18/2012 6:10:33 PM   
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I'm Jewish. We were here first, and the Word of G-d hasn't changed...

Can we assume you won't be back until tomorrow night then?

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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/18/2012 6:26:41 PM   
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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/18/2012 6:28:18 PM   
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No, that's NOT "how science" works.  See, in order to PROVE your hypothesis, you must provide your METHODOLOGY.

So do tell... what is your METHODOLOGY for detecting if a "soul" is present or not?!!






The method is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer. Evil Twins are EVIL, and you can't hide the dead cats forever.

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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/18/2012 6:35:07 PM   
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So NO METHODOLOGY to test/measure the existance of a "soul", then -- yeah, I didn't think so.

Thanks for playing.



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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/19/2012 8:52:28 AM   
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Like 50 million unborn kids dead since 1973?!!


That would be about 1.3 million abortions per year induced by humans in the United States. Is that your argument? You have evidence for that? Statistics you can support?

As a comparison, For the general population of pregnant women, this is usually the most relevant statistic. About 15 to 20% of all women with a verified pregnancy will end up having a miscarriage.

In the same study that found 22% of conceptions fail to implant, it was also found that 31% of pregnancies confirmed after implantation end in miscarriage.

God does a hellova lot of abortions as well it would appear.

God's plan for humankind? God doesn't give a fuck?


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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/19/2012 9:42:52 AM   
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Hmmm... not showing much "RESPECT", were you?!!


Perhaps that is because we have no respect for your beliefs.

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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/19/2012 10:20:11 AM   
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Ummm... is abortion legal?!!  Yes!!!

So what does anyone's belief in the "soul" matter to you?!!




It is legal under certain circumstances...



So you're arguing in favor of partial-birth abortion, then?!! 



I said no such thing. Nice try at strawmanning but an epic FAIL.

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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/19/2012 10:25:32 AM   
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No, that's NOT "how science" works.  See, in order to PROVE your hypothesis, you must provide your METHODOLOGY.

So do tell... what is your METHODOLOGY for detecting if a "soul" is present or not?!!





What is yours. Enlighten us. How can you prove that the thing called a "Soul" even exists?
Once you have done that, prove that it enters the egg at the moment of fertilization.
The law of the land has to be based on facts, not some hokum that a dude in robes preaches from a pulpit.

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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/19/2012 2:08:10 PM   
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The law of the land has to be based on facts, not some hokum that a dude in robes preaches from a pulpit.


That "hokum" happens to be "gosple" and if you do not believe that hokum god is going to fuck you up...big time.
I have read the bible more than once (catholic school). Old testiment...new testament same same... believe the hokum or get fire and brimstone rained down on you or just rain for 40 days and 40 nights....then you will be cast into the abys of hell....
Loving god my ass.

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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/19/2012 2:39:11 PM   
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Test: If there WAS a soul present at conception, then twinning at two weeks would result in one twin being born without a soul.

Test Results: NO TWINS are born without a soul. Or they all are. Either way, there's no cases where one has a soul and the other doesn't, and I invite you to present anything from any reputable scientific journal to the contrary.

Hypothesis sustained: There is no soul present at conception.

It's faultless logic I'll have to think about this.

I guess it proves that if a soul does exist it can be split in two, we also know from practice that there is always one evil twin and that triplets are a complete nightmare.


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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/19/2012 2:54:00 PM   
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The law of the land has to be based on facts, not some hokum that a dude in robes preaches from a pulpit.


That "hokum" happens to be "gosple" and if you do not believe that hokum god is going to fuck you up...big time.
I have read the bible more than once (catholic school). Old testiment...new testament same same... believe the hokum or get fire and brimstone rained down on you or just rain for 40 days and 40 nights....then you will be cast into the abys of hell....
Loving god my ass.


I don't see "Gospel" in the Talmud or Bible. Or are you talking about some crazy "new testament" or "book or mormon" or some shit?

And the "Loving god" of Jesus' dad gave up the Fire and Brimstone, or didn't your "church" bother teaching you that stuff?

So in summary, Hokum is polite for the bullshit passed off as Christianity.



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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/19/2012 2:55:08 PM   
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Test: If there WAS a soul present at conception, then twinning at two weeks would result in one twin being born without a soul.

Test Results: NO TWINS are born without a soul. Or they all are. Either way, there's no cases where one has a soul and the other doesn't, and I invite you to present anything from any reputable scientific journal to the contrary.

Hypothesis sustained: There is no soul present at conception.

It's faultless logic I'll have to think about this.

I guess it proves that if a soul does exist it can be split in two, we also know from practice that there is always one evil twin and that triplets are a complete nightmare.



Explicit Catholic Church doctrine is that souls are atomic and immutable. They CANNOT be split.

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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/19/2012 3:03:19 PM   
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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/19/2012 3:12:29 PM   
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The law of the land has to be based on facts, not some hokum that a dude in robes preaches from a pulpit.


That "hokum" happens to be "gosple" and if you do not believe that hokum god is going to fuck you up...big time.
I have read the bible more than once (catholic school). Old testiment...new testament same same... believe the hokum or get fire and brimstone rained down on you or just rain for 40 days and 40 nights....then you will be cast into the abys of hell....
Loving god my ass.


I don't see "Gospel" in the Talmud or Bible. Or are you talking about some crazy "new testament" or "book or mormon" or some shit?

And the "Loving god" of Jesus' dad gave up the Fire and Brimstone, or didn't your "church" bother teaching you that stuff?

So in summary, Hokum is polite for the bullshit passed off as Christianity.





You have an uncanny but imcomplete grasp of the obvious.
Hokum is polite for the bullshit passed off as religion

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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/19/2012 3:29:51 PM   
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Here's how Science works.

I wasn't aware that science had established a theory of souls, let alone developed a method to test for the presence of one.

K.




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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/19/2012 3:44:55 PM   
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Awww... and I'm all broken up inside over the opinion of someone whose nonsensical internet blatherings parallel the level of "respect" one affords a DUNG BEETLE.  LOL ! ! !



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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/19/2012 3:45:58 PM   
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Perhaps there is a number of backup souls and in the event of the spit one of the backup souls gets transferred? I know I'm kind of clutching at straws.


In that case why would you install a soul in a blastocyst you knew would be aborted or miscarried? See, once you THINK about what these "Life begins at conception" nitwits are actually saying, it ALL falls apart.

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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/19/2012 3:46:36 PM   
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Ummm... is abortion legal?!!  Yes!!!

So what does anyone's belief in the "soul" matter to you?!!




It is legal under certain circumstances...



So you're arguing in favor of partial-birth abortion, then?!! 




I said no such thing.



Obviously it's BACK TO SCHOOL for you to learn what a QUESTION MARK at the end of a sentence means.  Talk about an EPIC FAIL?!!  LOL ! ! !




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RE: Life does not begin at Fertilization or conception ... - 5/19/2012 3:47:45 PM   
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Here's how Science works.

I wasn't aware that science had established a theory of souls, let alone developed a method to test for the presence of one.

K.

That is, of course, the point. You don't make policy decisions based on the crazy religious rantings of some uneducated morons.




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