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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
I would have to look it up but to be sure since its been a while but it seems to me that tesla calculated the electrical charge on the earth somewhere in the vicinity of 216 billion megawatts. Not sure but its fucking HUGE! Its only a matter of rearranging it to work for us rather than letting it all go to waste.

I think that would light rons 100 watt bulb for at least an hour or so.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Tesla testified in court that his electric waves have very little to no transverse electromagnetic radiation.

Anyone can testify to anything in court, it doesn't make it anything approaching truth or physically real. 


Thats why its so awesome he had hordes of witness hey!

So then you are saying that the witnesses to his lighting incandescent bulbs 26 miles from the teansmitter are involved in some kind of conspiracy against physics?

Thats a bit of stretch dont you think

Both Lord Kelvin and Helmholtz to name a couple big names agreed with tesla.

 

Tesla never proved this theory, never had the working motor, did alotta shit talking over the years.


Sure he did, he remote controlled boats in new york harbor in front of more witnesses, erm I mean conspirators against physics.

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I read that Tesla once demonstrated a small remote control boat in New York at the turn of the century. Is this true and how did he make a remote control boat work prior to the invention of radio?

The first demonstration of an apparatus for radio transmission and reception was conducted by Tesla in 1893 during a presentation in St. Louis before the National Electric Light Association. A description of this event is found early in Chapter 7 of the book Inventions, Researches and Writings of Nikola Tesla. The small radio-controlled boat that you read about (Tesla called it a telautomaton) was first demonstrated to the public in 1898 at New York City's old Madison Square Garden. A patent with the long title "Method of and Apparatus for Controlling Mechanism of Moving Vessels or Vehicles" (No. 613,809) was granted to Tesla in the same year.

Tesla's two radio-controlled boats were built in the 1897-98 period. While they could withstand submersion, they had a slight positive buoyancy and no diving planes, and thus were not true submarines, as they are sometimes described. These boats were actually surface running torpedoes—the patent shows a detonator in the forward compartment. They can be considered as the direct predecessor of guided missiles developed during World War 2 by the United States, Germany and Japan, and present day precision guided weapons. Remote control photo reconnaissance drones, remotely operated vehicles (ROVs) that are used in hazardous environments, and planetary exploration vehicles such as the Mars rovers Sojourner, Spirit and Opportunity all trace their lineage back to these two devices.

So, what are we converting and where are we storing it, and how are we going to use it?

In english, with diagrams and data, not some random fuckwad pictures of a guy holding an led or mr magicman exciting the very easily exciteable neon gas.

I posted a generalized equivalent schematic of the system. knock yourself out.

The 'transverse' property or the 'polarized' property of electromagnetic waves is completely understood, even down to the quanta.  

your point if there is one?

since it is known down to the quanta how come there is no explanation how this kid can hold high voltage between his fingertips without getting his hand blown off.

what part of your QUANTA covers that again?



Standing waves are self reinforcing, no other type of self reinforcing electromagnetic wave exists.  

No Shit? Do show us your data on that!

Especially since schools have water tanks that set up standing waves for demonstration so I guess we can conclude they are electromagnetic radiation as well

Tesla was talking about this as self-reinforcing (thats where he figured he was going to get something for nothing) but it hasnt worked out yet.  Nothing has come of it, not ever.

Dr Meyl in Germany showed more power at the receiver than he put into the transmitter. a insignificant 1000% and that was at the milliwatt level.

Since he is a professor of physics he obviously is not qualified to use a volt meter or properly assess the matter right?

So, cut the gobblety gook shit and from point a to endpoint what you got without all the fantasy and asswipe?  Stay with it one post.  A-Z no fucked up pictures, no tinfoil youtubes, no the gubfia has covered this up with the use of the magna charta, while standing in waterbuckets, wiping their asses with fringed flags.

Oh yeh when all else fails throw every ounce of shit at the wall you can think of. Maybe you will get something to stick LMAO

Lighting lightbulbs from a stationary point does not get cars running down the road.  

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Think of the billions and billions of little atomic bombs going off as the season changes from fall to winter.........yet, nobody has died in a lowering of a mole of water by 1 degree C, atomic accident.

The fact is the power is there, the harnessing of that power is not a nickle and dime proposition. 


I think that if it was feasable monetarily to build a half a million 60 mile high antennae, nevermind the physics, we'ed be there.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
So far after several decades of research we face a proposition of spending millions on dozens of lightning collection towers to collect sufficient power to light five 100 watt bulbs for a year. By all means spend your entire old-money fortune on that but don't expect any gubafia tax-dollars!

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Tesla was talking about this as self-reinforcing (thats where he figured he was going to get something for nothing) but it hasnt worked out yet.  Nothing has come of it, not ever.

Dr Meyl in Germany showed more power at the receiver than he put into the transmitter. a insignificant 1000% and that was at the milliwatt level.

Since he is a professor of physics he obviously is not qualified to use a volt meter or properly assess the matter right?

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Abstract—In the fall of 2000, several talks were delivered by K. Meyl. These talks described his theory of so-called Tesla’s scalar waves (e.g., in Meyl [“Scalar Waves…” (2000) and “Longitudinalwellen-Experiment…” (2000)], and on his Web site). In the following article, we shall mainly discuss the theoretical part of these publications, although the experimental part would deserve a detailed discussion in its own right. The scalar wave, according to Meyl, is an irrotational electric vector solution E of the homogeneous wave
equation having non-vanishing sources. However, and this is Meyl’s logical flaw, it is not the homogeneous wave equation but Maxwell’s equations that are the actual starting point of any theory of electromagnetic waves. And, as will be seen see in Section 1, the homogeneous wave equation is valid only in vacuum and in its natural generalization, in homogeneous materials without free charges and currents, while in other cases the inhomogeneous wave equation would apply. So in Section 2, our next immediate result is that
Meyl’s source conditions are inconsistent with the material properties. Hence, we have to assume the vector field E to be source free. But— as will be shown further for this case—Maxwell’s equations do not admit other than trivial scalar waves of the Meyl type, since only time- independent solutions are admissible. Under those conditions, the only permissible conclusion is that Meyl’s scalar waves do not exist. At the end of his talks (Meyl, “Scalar Waves…” [2000] and “Longitudinalwellen-Experiment…” [2000]), Meyl makes another remarkable assertion, which we shall discuss in Section 3. Meyl claims to have generated ‘vortex’ solutions that propagate faster than light. But for solutions of the homogeneous wave equation, this would clearly contradict a well-known theorem of the mathematical theory of the wave equation. In addition, Meyl’s proof for his claim will turn out to be a simple flaw of thinking.

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Oh yeh when all else fails throw every ounce of shit at the wall you can think of. Maybe you will get something to stick LMAO

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Think of the billions and billions of little atomic bombs going off as the season changes from fall to winter.........yet, nobody has died in a lowering of a mole of water by 1 degree C, atomic accident.

The fact is the power is there, the harnessing of that power is not a nickle and dime proposition. 


I think that if it was feasable monetarily to build a half a million 60 mile high antennae, nevermind the physics, we'ed be there.

where do you get this 60 mile high crap from?

the transmitter only need be aabout 150 feet high user receivers can be virtually any small size dependent on current requirements

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
So far after several decades of research we face a proposition of spending millions on dozens of lightning collection towers to collect sufficient power to light five 100 watt bulbs for a year. By all means spend your entire old-money fortune on that but don't expect any gubafia tax-dollars!

what a purely nonsensical asinine thing to say.

are you capable of completing one full sentence that is not 99% bullshit?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Hey skip since you did your thesis on transmission here is an equivalent circuit for you to ponder.




pretty kool the way it "hooks" into both the earth and the upper atmosphere with us in the middle aint it?

Plug that into spice

And there you have it, of course it is not to scale, but that is the one that will need 60 mile high antennae to make the circuit.

It will not and cannot work without grounded collectors, via the magic of organizing the atmosphere and directing the electromagnetic radiation to carry it down to ground.

And also why the little radio controlled boat is a fraud.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

Now I think its time to suggest there is another R0 mode: Mode F - ""!

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Think of the billions and billions of little atomic bombs going off as the season changes from fall to winter.........yet, nobody has died in a lowering of a mole of water by 1 degree C, atomic accident.

The fact is the power is there, the harnessing of that power is not a nickle and dime proposition. 


I think that if it was feasable monetarily to build a half a million 60 mile high antennae, nevermind the physics, we'ed be there.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

tuning in a radio, and running household or commercial electricity via radio waves are two very different ketttles of fish, and nobody is denying the existance of electric cars or radio stations, and it has nothing to do with anything here.

How, by what method, what equipment is used to do this and why has it never been actually done, either by tesla or anyone else?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
Now I think its time to suggest there is another R0 mode: Mode F - ""!

We do understand your issues.

[image edited out illustrating yet more of R0's anal obsessiveness]

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
tuning in a radio, and running household or commercial electricity via radio waves are two very different ketttles of fish, and nobody is denying the existance of electric cars or radio stations, and it has nothing to do with anything here.

How, by what method, what equipment is used to do this and why has it never been actually done, either by tesla or anyone else?

I just showed it to you, whats the problem?

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what do you think you tune in when you tune in your radio? ESP?

Its a matter of record that tesla did these things in several articles in several publications and engineering references.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
anyway I have a few things I would really like to get done yet today, so I will peek in later to see if anyone can come up with any "real" arguments.

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So, I belive the equation is thus, so far:

A ---> (physics is ignored here):: B ----> (miracle occurs here):: C ---> (planet is vaporized here) :: D ----> (beer is cooled here).

Did I miss any steps?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The fuck you did.   No, teslas (non extant transmitter) has nothing to do with nothing, that is the method he theorized for transmission, not collection.  The collectors need to be at the edge of the atmosphere envelope, as your little drivel in the  great earth capacitor intimates here.  You see, insofar as even tesla is concerned a capactor only works with a ground.

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Letting Tesla go wasn't the brightest thing Edison had ever done, though - George Westinghouse promptly snapped up the patent rights to Tesla's alternating-current motors, dynamos, and transformers. The buy-out triggered a power struggle which eventually saw Edison's direct-current systems relegated to second place, and the DC motors installed in German and Irish trains only a few years before, rendered obsolete.

But not without a fight. Advocates of direct-current power - desperate to discredit their alternating-current competitor - claimed that AC current was hazardous to humans. In support of their argument, DC defenders took the novel approach of using a standard Westinghouse (AC) generator to discharge death sentences in New York State.

An interesting approach (to say the least), although futile in the long run.

In 1893 Westinghouse used Tesla's alternating-current system to light the World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago.

Edison was not a happy man. His company, General Electric, had also bid for the lighting contract, but the GE proposal would have cost roughly twice as much and have produced less light for a lot more heat.

In a snit, Edison tried to ban the use of 'his' light bulbs with Telsla's electrical system, and urged General Electric to bar the use of the company's lamps in any Westinghouse exhibits.

Despite Edison's tantrums, Westinghouse soon gained a contract to build the massive turbines at Niagara Falls, and alternating-current was firmly entrenched.

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Tesla went on to set up his own lab.

Within a short time, he had pre-empted Wilhelm Rontgen's discovery of X-rays with his own experimental shadowgraphs; the relays, vacuum tubes, and transistors of future decades with his electric logic circuits; even the wireless radio - the principles of which were described by Tesla in minute detail years before Marconi transmitted his first morse code message.

Tesla, on hearing of Marconi's efforts, is said to have remarked to a friend: "Marconi is a good fellow. Let him continue. He is using 17 of my patents." If so, Tesla changed his mind eventually, suing Marconi for patent breach.

The court eventually found for Tesla after examining some circuit diagrams he had designed in 1893, and Marconi's patents were declared invalid in 1935. Unfortunately, the law suit dragged out until a few months after Tesla's death and he never saw a penny in compensation.

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Always, Tesla returned to electricity - Tesla loved electricity, and was fascinated with lighting, speaking often of some future world filled with electric light.

In a determined effort to prove the safety of his new alternating-current lighting system, Tesla would often light lamps by using his own body as an electrical conductor, to the somewhat muted cheers of an uneasy audience.

Turning to studies of resonance, by 1898 Tesla had designed an oscillator that generated half a million volts.

Convinced he could develop enough power to: "split the earth like an apple" and disinclined - for reasons he no doubt thought good ones at the time - to destroy New York City, Tesla moved his experiments to Knob Hill near Colorado Springs, in a structure that included a roll-back roof to prevent fires from the sparks sent out while he tinkered with transformers.

The first time Tesla tested one of his inventions at full power, the roar was heard for more than 16 kilometres (10 miles).

Unfortunately, Nikola's test also blacked out the entire city of Colorado Springs and set the power generator on fire. Amicable relations were restored when Tesla paid to replace the generator.

He backfed the generators by accident

(The people of Colorado Springs must have been a tolerant lot. Tesla's experiments would sometimes result in sparks coming up through the ground of the city and sparking from fire hydrants - one experiment grounded out the plumbing of the entire city.)

Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter, an early type of Tesla Coil that measured 16 metres (52 feet) in diameter, could transmit tens of thousands of watts without wires.

ts simply a given, historical record, you deny it

Tesla managed to light 200 lamps, without wires, from 40 kilometres (25 miles) away. But his proudest achievement was the production of man-made lightning. The Magnifying Transmitter could produce incredible electrical flashes measuring up to 41 metres (135 feet).

That is an error, the TMT produces no sparks or flashes on purpose since it reduces the efficiency

Unfortunately, when Tesla left the lab in 1900, the structure was demolished and the contents sold to pay debts. Very little survived of some of Tesla's most amazing inventions.

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In January 1900, capitalised by financier J P Morgan, Tesla returned to New York to work on his ‘wireless world broadcasting tower’. Even before Marconi's morse code 's' hit the airwaves, Tesla was determined that his invention wasn't going to be limited to dots and dashes.

Tesla planned on linking the world together through its telephone and telegraph systems, transmitting pictures and text from one end of the globe to the other in minutes, and delivering mail between special terminals, using electronic messaging.

Labour disputes and financial panic got in the way, and Tesla's Long Island construction was abandoned when Morgan withdrew funding. It was Tesla's greatest disappointment, and a loss to the entire world.

Once again, much of Tesla's work was lost when the Wardenclyffe Tower was dismantled for scrap towards the end of World War One.

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During the Panic of 1907, Tesla ensured the survival of the Westinghouse company by giving up patent payments for a nominal sum. By doing so, he also ensured his own financial ruin.

When World War One began in 1914, Tesla lost his payments from European patents. By 1916, he was living in poverty and had filed for bankruptcy to escape a massive tax debt.

Soon afterwards, Tesla began to show symptoms of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. The symptoms became pronounced very quickly, and what was left of his already 'eccentric' reputation was soon in tatters.

Still, he wouldn't give up. Tesla turned down an attempt by European friends to raise funds and continued to exist on a modest pension from Yugoslavia. He moved into a small hotel room and continued to research.