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Anaxagoras -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/4/2012 5:18:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
If you think the earth is not a wire then hold onto one of the hot sides of your 220 volt outlet while standing on the ground barefoot.

Then if you have any friends have them film it for us so we can all watch you go up in smoke. LMAO

The earth isn't a wire. I suggest you familiarise yourself with the word http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wire which in this context is:

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1. A usually pliable metallic strand or rod made in many lengths and diameters, sometimes clad and often electrically insulated, used chiefly for structural support or to conduct electricity.

The fact that electricity goes to earth does not automatically make it an excellent conductor. It is merely the effects of potential difference, with the near-zero potential of earth being an excellent sink for excess energy, which is why it is used for the mains.

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the ground is not a wire, with the implication its non-conductive, where do you people dig that incredible nonsense up from anyway.

No one said it is non-conductive. Some patches may be OK depending on the materials present in the earth but overall it is a regarded as a poor conductor.

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no one is arguing that an electromagnetic wave is NOT predominately transverse. Tesla testified in court that he is working with predominately longitudinal waves.

A scientist saying something inside or outside a court cannot be regarded as proof when he is making a claim that goes against well established scientific understanding.

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so are you claiming that this wave does not exist?

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This is a strawman where you mix the very different wave types together. I already drew a clear distinction between sound waves and electromagnetic waves. Sound waves are mechanical waves. They are longitudinal. Electromagnetic waves are very different http://www.physicsclassroom.com/mmedia/waves/em.cfm in their nature. They have not been shown to ever be longitudinal in free space, despite all of Meyl's efforts, and established theory precludes them. Thus it is fair to strongly doubt the existence of Tesla's scalar wave.




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/6/2012 5:24:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
If you think the earth is not a wire then hold onto one of the hot sides of your 220 volt outlet while standing on the ground barefoot.

Then if you have any friends have them film it for us so we can all watch you go up in smoke. LMAO

The earth isn't a wire. I suggest you familiarise yourself with the word http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wire which in this context is:

quote:

1. A usually pliable metallic strand or rod made in many lengths and diameters, sometimes clad and often electrically insulated, used chiefly for structural support or to conduct electricity.

The fact that electricity goes to earth does not automatically make it an excellent conductor. It is merely the effects of potential difference, with the near-zero potential of earth being an excellent sink for excess energy, which is why it is used for the mains.
its fun watching you blow your doublethink blow your own arguments out of the water
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the ground is not a wire, with the implication its non-conductive, where do you people dig that incredible nonsense up from anyway.

No one said it is non-conductive. Some patches may be OK depending on the materials present in the earth but overall it is a regarded as a poor conductor.
however tesla tested it to be 97% efficient with world wide coverage, compare that to stringing wires. another plonk for you!

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/analogy__realization.jpg[/image]
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no one is arguing that an electromagnetic wave is NOT predominately transverse. Tesla testified in court that he is working with predominately longitudinal waves.

A scientist saying something inside or outside a court cannot be regarded as proof when he is making a claim that goes against well established scientific understanding.
tesla did not claim there is no transverse component, in fact his work evolved around eliminating it, that is why the kid can hold that high voltage wire in his hands and not even feel it.


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Light, The Tesla Way-01 - TMT 72.4 Scale

Look mom I am touching the wires and no shock!

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so are you claiming that this wave does not exist?

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/elect/PULSEPOWER003.png[/image]


This is a strawman where you mix the very different wave types together. I already drew a clear distinction between sound waves and electromagnetic waves. Sound waves are mechanical waves. They are longitudinal. Electromagnetic waves are very different http://www.physicsclassroom.com/mmedia/waves/em.cfm in their nature. They have not been shown to ever be longitudinal in free space, despite all of Meyl's efforts, and established theory precludes them. Thus it is fair to strongly doubt the existence of Tesla's scalar wave.



so you think that a traveling electric wave is not mechanical? If not mechanical then what is it voodoo?





mnottertail -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/6/2012 6:34:03 AM)

there is no proof that its a high voltage circuit, nor any reason to believe it is one.  Your crap about standing waves inside the antennae wont do your fantasy any good either, they have to have the property of standing waves AT ANY DISTANCE transmitter to transmitter, which defies really basic phyics since the waves are not violin strings with fixed points.  If you say, well they are fixed endpoints transmitter to transmitter whatever the distance, the waves become incoherent, and then you have less than nothing of the theory left.

Again, where is any working scalable useful machine, car or other appliance in this little fantasy?  All that exist, anywhere, in the entire world, are cheap parlour tricks, lighting a bulb, or running a fan (all with the help of wall outlets (which we already have ubiquitously).  




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/6/2012 10:05:59 AM)

so you think little towers cannot be scaled into big towers and that little motors cannot be scaled into big motors? only takes a 50hp electric to kick the snot out of a ferrari.

You also think that a 1/8th inch continuous spark is not high voltage?

Did you figger out what every ham knows and that is how to shorten the height of a 60 mile antenna yet? LOL









mnottertail -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/6/2012 10:58:36 AM)

obviously the parlour magic is not scalable, because there is no working appliance anywhere.

the 1/8 inch spark has nothing to do with nothing, not causally related to your pictures, and can be done with STATIC electricity....try and stay on tesla at least. And continuous would require a continuity not a still picture that has no frame of reference.


You can go eat your fuckin pork.  The difference in potential to make the entire earth a capacitor requires reaching the difference in potential which lies outside or at the limit of the envelope of  the atmosphere of the earth:

The Earth's Electrostatic Charge
Tesla's intent was to condense the energy trapped between the earth and its upper atmosphere and to transform it into an electric current. He pictured the sun as an immense ball of electricity, positively charged with a potential of some 200 billion volts. The earth, on the other hand, is charged with negative electricity. The tremendous electrical force between these two bodies constituted, at least in part, what he called cosmic energy. It varied from night to day and from season to season but it is always present.
The positive particles are stopped at the ionosphere and between it and the negative charges in the ground, a distance of 60 miles, there is a large difference of voltage - something on the order of 360,000 volts. With the gases of the atmosphere acting as an insulator between these two opposite stores of electrical charges, the region between the ground and the edge of space traps a great deal of energy. Despite the large size of the planet, it is electrically like a capacitor which keeps positive and negative charges apart by using the air as a non-conducting material as an insulator.
The earth has a charge of 96,500 coulombs. With a potential of 360,000 volts, the earth constitutes a capacitor of .25 farads (farads = coulombs/volts). If the formula for calculating the energy stored in a capacitor (E =1/2CV2) is applied to the earth, it turns out that the ambient medium contains 1.6 x 1011 joules or 4.5 megawatt-hours of electrical energy. In order to utilize this high-voltage energy you must do two things -- make an energy sink and then devise a way of making the "sink" oscillate.

Your six foot antennae would look like a big dick, but would have no other use, since you would have to have a circuit between the poles.  The antennae would act as the dielectric.

Thats electricity. And thats the potential, the shitbreathers you show are fuckin parlour tricks and have no commercial value, they dont have power to do shit without help from a wall outlet to get their energy, they are not pulling it out of the air. 

The tesla tower (or wardenclyffe tower) while demonstrating the conduction of radio waves did not move useful electricity in an organized state and fashion from one place to the next, nor did Colorado Springs or anywhere else.  While it violates no laws of physics, it is still not realizable for several reasons, extremely lethal disadvantages.

The Tesla Generators can shoot lightning bolts and the tesla coils can inefficiently (very very very very inefficiently) recieve them but nobody wants to be electrocuted, nobody wants to run around in a world constantly barraged by ubiquitous lightning bolts. 




Anaxagoras -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/6/2012 2:29:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
If you think the earth is not a wire then hold onto one of the hot sides of your 220 volt outlet while standing on the ground barefoot.

Then if you have any friends have them film it for us so we can all watch you go up in smoke. LMAO

The earth isn't a wire. I suggest you familiarise yourself with the word http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wire which in this context is:

quote:

1. A usually pliable metallic strand or rod made in many lengths and diameters, sometimes clad and often electrically insulated, used chiefly for structural support or to conduct electricity.

The fact that electricity goes to earth does not automatically make it an excellent conductor. It is merely the effects of potential difference, with the near-zero potential of earth being an excellent sink for excess energy, which is why it is used for the mains.

its fun watching you blow your doublethink blow your own arguments out of the water

...and its fun seeing how you can't even construct sentences properly.

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the ground is not a wire, with the implication its non-conductive, where do you people dig that incredible nonsense up from anyway.

No one said it is non-conductive. Some patches may be OK depending on the materials present in the earth but overall it is a regarded as a poor conductor.
however tesla tested it to be 97% efficient with world wide coverage, compare that to stringing wires. another plonk for you!

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/analogy__realization.jpg[/image]

What a load of horseshit comparing the earth with high quality conductors like copper, just cause Tesla said so! Posting up an illustration is equally worthless as a proof.

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no one is arguing that an electromagnetic wave is NOT predominately transverse. Tesla testified in court that he is working with predominately longitudinal waves.

A scientist saying something inside or outside a court cannot be regarded as proof when he is making a claim that goes against well established scientific understanding.
tesla did not claim there is no transverse component, in fact his work evolved around eliminating it, that is why the kid can hold that high voltage wire in his hands and not even feel it.

Yeah just another excuse to post more of your copy and paste horseshit, which I have edited out. Once again you are strawmanning. Well established scientific understanding points out that there are NO longitudinal electromagnetic waves in free space.

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so are you claiming that this wave does not exist? [Images edited out]

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This is a strawman where you mix the very different wave types together. I already drew a clear distinction between sound waves and electromagnetic waves. Sound waves are mechanical waves. They are longitudinal. Electromagnetic waves are very different http://www.physicsclassroom.com/mmedia/waves/em.cfm in their nature. They have not been shown to ever be longitudinal in free space, despite all of Meyl's efforts, and established theory precludes them. Thus it is fair to strongly doubt the existence of Tesla's scalar wave.

so you think that a traveling electric wave is not mechanical? If not mechanical then what is it voodoo?

I suggest you acquaint yourself with the very basics before spouting off about Tesla and the gubbermint.

I also suggest you make some effort to read the links others on here have generously taken the time to provide you with. To quote the article I linked to in my last response:
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Electromagnetic waves are waves which can travel through the vacuum of outer space. Mechanical waves, unlike electromagnetic waves, require the presence of a material medium in order to transport their energy from one location to another. Sound waves are examples of mechanical waves while light waves are examples of electromagnetic waves.




mnottertail -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/6/2012 4:03:13 PM)

Some basics here, 0:

The electromagnetic spectrum is light, and travels at the speed of it, whether it is visible or not. it is made of electric and magnetic fields that change very rapidly. In one part of the wave there is strong magnetic field, in the other strong electric fields. they exchange, when the magnetic field dies it is replaced by an electric field and so on vice versa.  Electricity is comprised of electrons, and how we use it is to organize it to flow down a constructed, insulated path to go electron neighbor to neigbor to the point we need it.

Tesla generators cannot choose a reliable, repeatable path thru the medium of air since they have not insulated any reliable reproduceable  path thru the electrons. They complete a circuit that wants to go to the earth, thats how we got the moniker ground. 

So what you have is the statistics of the path of least resistance, the electrons that want in play at any given instant and they are always moving.  Rainstorm?  You're fuckin dead.  High humidity, you're fuckin dead, time and circumstance?  You're dead.   Lightning storm? You're fucking dead........and so on.  The parlour tricks are very low level electrical phenomena, and are not useful for commercial purposes.

And yes, Tesla did say the 97.5% thing, and brilliant fucker that he was, he said alotta shit that wasn't true, or demonstrable, and that was one of them. 





LookieNoNookie -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/6/2012 5:17:10 PM)

I love high gas prices.




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/9/2012 2:54:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
If you think the earth is not a wire then hold onto one of the hot sides of your 220 volt outlet while standing on the ground barefoot.

Then if you have any friends have them film it for us so we can all watch you go up in smoke. LMAO

The earth isn't a wire. I suggest you familiarise yourself with the word http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wire which in this context is:

quote:

1. A usually pliable metallic strand or rod made in many lengths and diameters, sometimes clad and often electrically insulated, used chiefly for structural support or to conduct electricity.

The fact that electricity goes to earth does not automatically make it an excellent conductor. It is merely the effects of potential difference, with the near-zero potential of earth being an excellent sink for excess energy, which is why it is used for the mains.

its fun watching you blow your doublethink blow your own arguments out of the water

...and its fun seeing how you can't even construct sentences properly.
The best you can do is complain about sentence structure. how disingenuous
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the ground is not a wire, with the implication its non-conductive, where do you people dig that incredible nonsense up from anyway.

No one said it is non-conductive. Some patches may be OK depending on the materials present in the earth but overall it is a regarded as a poor conductor.
however tesla tested it to be 97% efficient with world wide coverage, compare that to stringing wires. another plonk for you!

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/analogy__realization.jpg[/image]

What a load of horseshit comparing the earth with high quality conductors like copper, just cause Tesla said so! Posting up an illustration is equally worthless as a proof.

(the guy who invented the AC system used throughout the whole fucking world cant be right now can he? LMAO

More of your disingenuous bullshit, of complete lack of knowledge of how "stuff" works.


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no one is arguing that an electromagnetic wave is NOT predominately transverse. Tesla testified in court that he is working with predominately longitudinal waves.

A scientist saying something inside or outside a court cannot be regarded as proof when he is making a claim that goes against well established scientific understanding.
tesla did not claim there is no transverse component, in fact his work evolved around eliminating it, that is why the kid can hold that high voltage wire in his hands and not even feel it.

Yeah just another excuse to post more of your copy and paste horseshit, which I have edited out. Once again you are strawmanning. Well established scientific understanding points out that there are NO longitudinal electromagnetic waves in free space.

Whine if there is no cite and piss and moan with cites, at least I dont post wiki.

The speed of light is "well established" and proven to be wrong so do tell us about "WELL ESTABLISHED".

the only one strawmanning bullshit out here is you since I nor tesla EVER claimed there was such a thing as a longitudinal electromagnetic wave?


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so are you claiming that this wave does not exist? [Images edited out]

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This is a strawman where you mix the very different wave types together. I already drew a clear distinction between sound waves and electromagnetic waves.

bullshit! All you did was stand on your soap box making incorrect claims as always, nothing new there.


Sound waves are mechanical waves. They are longitudinal. Electromagnetic waves are very different http://www.physicsclassroom.com/mmedia/waves/em.cfm in their nature.

NOTHING ZIPPO NADA in that link claims that electrical waves are NOT mechanical!


They have not been shown to ever be longitudinal in free space, despite all of Meyl's efforts, and established theory precludes them. Thus it is fair to strongly doubt the existence of Tesla's scalar wave.

so you think that a traveling electric wave is not mechanical? If not mechanical then what is it voodoo?

I suggest you acquaint yourself with the very basics before spouting off about Tesla and the gubbermint.

Yes you really do need to take high school electricity so you can keep up with what it being said here


I also suggest you make some effort to read the links others on here have generously taken the time to provide you with. To quote the article I linked to in my last response:
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Electromagnetic waves are waves which can travel through the vacuum of outer space.

Outer space is NOT a vaccum, another fuck up of yours.


Mechanical waves, unlike electromagnetic waves, require the presence of a material medium in order to transport their energy from one location to another. Sound waves are examples of mechanical waves while light waves are examples of electromagnetic waves.




Now you want to claim that "some" thing can transport through "NO" thing. More completely absurd doublethink of yours





mnottertail -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/9/2012 7:07:24 AM)

The speed of light is "well established" and proven to be wrong so do tell us about "WELL ESTABLISHED".


Where is it proven to be wrong?   the definition starts:  The speed of light in a vacuum....




Anaxagoras -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/9/2012 7:12:20 AM)

R0 seems determined to have the last word by posting every few days on a thread that died weeks ago. It'll be interesting who ends this bout.
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
If you think the earth is not a wire then hold onto one of the hot sides of your 220 volt outlet while standing on the ground barefoot.

Then if you have any friends have them film it for us so we can all watch you go up in smoke. LMAO

The earth isn't a wire. I suggest you familiarise yourself with the word http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wire which in this context is:

quote:

1. A usually pliable metallic strand or rod made in many lengths and diameters, sometimes clad and often electrically insulated, used chiefly for structural support or to conduct electricity.

The fact that electricity goes to earth does not automatically make it an excellent conductor. It is merely the effects of potential difference, with the near-zero potential of earth being an excellent sink for excess energy, which is why it is used for the mains.

its fun watching you blow your doublethink blow your own arguments out of the water

...and its fun seeing how you can't even construct sentences properly.
The best you can do is complain about sentence structure. how disingenuous

LOL just consider who is calling me "disingenuous"! Are you not the one I was responding to who didn't counter my argument about electricity running to earth not necessarily making it a good conductor but rather passed judgement over the argument without engaging with it.

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the ground is not a wire, with the implication its non-conductive, where do you people dig that incredible nonsense up from anyway.

No one said it is non-conductive. Some patches may be OK depending on the materials present in the earth but overall it is a regarded as a poor conductor.
however tesla tested it to be 97% efficient with world wide coverage, compare that to stringing wires. another plonk for you!

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/analogy__realization.jpg[/image]

What a load of horseshit comparing the earth with high quality conductors like copper, just cause Tesla said so! Posting up an illustration is equally worthless as a proof.

(the guy who invented the AC system used throughout the whole fucking world cant be right now can he? LMAO

More of your disingenuous bullshit, of complete lack of knowledge of how "stuff" works.

The only one here who has consistently demonstrated a blindling lack of knowledge about "how "stuff" works" is yourself. Once again, I have acknowledged that Tesla was a great inventor, as has Ron but people actually thought he was made at the time due to his "unusual" behaviour. Clearly he had an unstable personality so if he comes out with extraordinary claims that contradict very well established science, then his "word" is not sufficient. Science operates on the principle of proof, no matter who says it. Even if he didn't have any personal quirks, he would still have to prove everything he asserts if it contradicts a well established body of science.

We have been over this already. The only benefit of Tesla's AC system over Edison's DC system was the use of transformers to boost voltage over current. It allowed high-voltage transmission over far greater distances, meaning far fewer power stations, and much smaller conductor sizes. Tesla used good conventional science to develop a better system.


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no one is arguing that an electromagnetic wave is NOT predominately transverse. Tesla testified in court that he is working with predominately longitudinal waves.

A scientist saying something inside or outside a court cannot be regarded as proof when he is making a claim that goes against well established scientific understanding.
tesla did not claim there is no transverse component, in fact his work evolved around eliminating it, that is why the kid can hold that high voltage wire in his hands and not even feel it.

Yeah just another excuse to post more of your copy and paste horseshit, which I have edited out. Once again you are strawmanning. Well established scientific understanding points out that there are NO longitudinal electromagnetic waves in free space.

Whine if there is no cite and piss and moan with cites, at least I dont post wiki.

The speed of light is "well established" and proven to be wrong so do tell us about "WELL ESTABLISHED".

the only one strawmanning bullshit out here is you since I nor tesla EVER claimed there was such a thing as a longitudinal electromagnetic wave?

No rather than post up well referenced Wiki entries you would rather post up videos of guys dicking around in their basements as "proof" the laws of science have been turned upside down. Very well done! [:D]

The speed of light has not been proven wrong to the best of my knowledge. There have been some interesting challenges to it. That however, is not the issue of "debate" here.

You did claim there was such a thing as a longitudinal electromagnetic waves because whilst I'm not sure if you much use the word "electromagnetic", you kept going on about longitudinal waves, asserting that they exist and kept citing Meyl. Mechanical longitudinal waves exist, that is well established science. We never disputed that. The issue was always the existence of longitudinal electromagnetic waves. Meyl's work involves longitudinal electromagnetic waves, and all the Tesla freaks online insist there is such a thing as scalar, i.e. longitudinal electromagnetic waves. They do so because they are a very important element in the working of Tesla's system - one area where he scored a massive fail.

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so are you claiming that this wave does not exist? [Images edited out]
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This is a strawman where you mix the very different wave types together. I already drew a clear distinction between sound waves and electromagnetic waves.

bullshit! All you did was stand on your soap box making incorrect claims as always, nothing new there.

Nope, you repeatedly mixed the two very different wave types together. This is basic science, and the fact you got it wrong repeatedly shows you know nothing about the topic.

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Sound waves are mechanical waves. They are longitudinal. Electromagnetic waves are very different http://www.physicsclassroom.com/mmedia/waves/em.cfm in their nature.

NOTHING ZIPPO NADA in that link claims that electrical waves are NOT mechanical!

Again you demonstrate a misunderstanding of very basic science, demonstrating comically enough what you denied misunderstanding just above! [:D]

The concept of mechanical waves is that the require a medium to travel. Electromagnetic waves have the ability to travel in a vacuum, unlike mechanical waves. Its that simple.

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They have not been shown to ever be longitudinal in free space, despite all of Meyl's efforts, and established theory precludes them. Thus it is fair to strongly doubt the existence of Tesla's scalar wave.

so you think that a traveling electric wave is not mechanical? If not mechanical then what is it voodoo?

Jesus Christ, you really don't know the basics do you? Electromagnetic waves are energy, as the fucking name suggests! [:D] Here is a nice Wiki source for you!
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Electromagnetic radiation (EM radiation or EMR) is a form of energy emitted and absorbed by charged particles, which exhibits wave-like behavior as it travels through space. EMR has both electric and magnetic field components, which stand in a fixed ratio of intensity to each other, and which oscillate in phase perpendicular to each other and perpendicular to the direction of energy and wave propagation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_wave


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I suggest you acquaint yourself with the very basics before spouting off about Tesla and the gubbermint.

Yes you really do need to take high school electricity so you can keep up with what it being said here

So says the guy who doesn't know the high school basics of science. Oh what you could learn if you went back into a class of fourteen year olds! Lets start a petition for that... [:D]

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I also suggest you make some effort to read the links others on here have generously taken the time to provide you with. To quote the article I linked to in my last response:

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Electromagnetic waves are waves which can travel through the vacuum of outer space. Mechanical waves, unlike electromagnetic waves, require the presence of a material medium in order to transport their energy from one location to another. Sound waves are examples of mechanical waves while light waves are examples of electromagnetic waves.

Outer space is NOT a vaccum, another fuck up of yours.

Now you want to claim that "some" thing can transport through "NO" thing. More completely absurd doublethink of yours

Wow, wrong again. Space isn't a perfect vacuum but it is still defined as one. There are different grades of vacuums, from "soft" to "hard".




fluffypet67 -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/9/2012 7:15:37 AM)

Hey! Guess what?  Gas prices are going down. 




Anaxagoras -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/9/2012 7:18:38 AM)

I'd say R0's system might begin to starting looking like something to explore after the 100 dollar per gallon mark! [:D]




mnottertail -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/9/2012 7:32:13 AM)

100 years, I wanna see a car; a real car, not fuckin parlour tricks.  




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/9/2012 8:25:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

100 years, I wanna see a car; a real car, not fuckin parlour tricks.  



I already showed you a real boat motoring around in the water so whats your problem now?


you can see the little flatcoil and motor, no battery.

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/barewires010.jpg[/image]


See if you make a BIGGER tower with BIGGER electricity then you can power a BIGGER boat. If you take that BIGGER motor and put it in a car then you can power a car.





mnottertail -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/9/2012 8:26:32 AM)

No, you showed me a parlour trick and a fuckin toy, thats what that is.

I want to see a real boat, people inside and running alongside a conventional boat.





Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/9/2012 9:08:23 AM)

So you think these are parlor tricks too and cannot be scaled up to hold people is that your problem?




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mnottertail -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/9/2012 9:10:13 AM)

a 350 dollar toy.  No it cant be scaled up and I told you why.




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/9/2012 9:12:53 AM)

refresh my memory since it is exrtemely rare that any model cannot be scaled up (or down)




mnottertail -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/9/2012 9:19:04 AM)

nanobots.

your three hundred and fifty dollar toy is electrically powered (which we have) by remote control (which we have) the battery is contained in the fuselage that powers that motor (yanno, where you would put your little stick people).

Nothing tesla there.




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