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Anaxagoras -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/10/2012 8:20:13 PM)
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Look Brains, learn firstly how to quote properly, and secondly stop trying to strawman by tangling things up in a non-issue such as well established science. Read a book on energy. As far as this situation goes you're just a furry clown repeatedly saying the words "nothing" and "prove it" but I'll indulge you for a while as you're humiliating yourself. [:D]
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
ok lets see here
nothing
more nothing
massless photons "This equation often enters theoretical work"
more nothing
more nothing
and more nothing
Brains, saying something is nothing will not make it so. A vacuum is something. It is used commonly in electronics.
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energy is capacity, your mis-usage of it is frankly hilarious. more pissing yourself.
It is astonishing how shockingly moronic you truly are. Energy is not capacity - it is not fucking batteries. Energy is power that is harnessed in various ways.
Keep the toilet remarks to yourself. It is truly an indicator of a base and rather wretched character that you speak in such a way to those you disagree with.
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"Electromagnetic waves do not REQUIRE any medium."
PROVE IT
"Photons are always in motion and, in a vacuum"
we have already established there is no such thing as a true vacuum.
You argue like a half-wit. It is remarkable how you constantly strawman and in such a senseless fucking way. I was the one who said a few pages back space wasn't a pure vacuum. What does that have to do with the point?
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Rubbish, there is no reason to think a massless object would have infinite velocity because it also requires momentum. Now you admit to the mechanical nature, more pising yourself. There is no such thing as infinity in the physical world anyway - everything is measurable. no everything is NOT measureable Here is a basic explanation of photons http://physics.about.com/od/lightoptics/f/photon.htm (top of webpage), which explains photons have momentum appertaining to their energy. According to the theory of relativity the speed of light/photons is the maximum any object can travel in the universe. If you want to explore that issue please do so in your own time. There is a huge amount about it on the web.
Oh shit sorry for my ommission! 1 inch per century less than infinity. Does that bet suit you? LMAO
and more nothing
Learn how to fucking quote properly instead of inserting coloured text in every place. Again I say there is some sort of mental capacity issue with you being unable to master it.
While your at it give the senseless responses a rest for your sake. They impress no one.
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Irrelevant since you insist on talking about material/mechanical waves rather than electromagnetic waves.
PROVE IT
They still have a mechanical nature, hence mechanical.
No they do not unless you define mechanical in absurdly broad terms to apply to anything that operates in a process.
We are supposed to be talking about science, and SCIENCE uses broad well-established terminology for two completely different wave types that you were ignorant of.
I have shown you cite after cite after cite from numerous sources attesting to that basic fact. Get used to it furry. [:D]
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"There are vacuums"
PROVE IT that an absolute vacuum can exist
I never said that absolute vacuums exist. More of your tired strawman nonsense.
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What the fuck are you talking about claiming something doesn't exist? You are the one who seems to be saying electromagnetic waves/photons cannot exist.
Of course they exist and like all other disturbances require a medium to disturb or you cannot set up a wave function.
you claim electronic is energy. LMAO
oh now Voltage propels current not photons. LMAO
More lies: I never said electronic is energy. I was referring to voltage propelling current when you said there was nothing non-mechanical that moved.
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"So you want me to prove a million things, get a fucking life."
yeh PROVE UP ALL YOUR BULLSHIT, you dont even know what energy is, I stated it correctly yours is your usualy bullshit.
You think photons are massless? PROVE IT
You do not know what the fuck you are talking about. I provided several good sources that state photons are massless. These sources are based on well established science. You have proven nothing by contrast except offer up a few videos of men dicking about in their basements proving nothing without being done in appropriate conditions with verification.
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I did with loads of references already.
you posted andys theory not fact.
Bullshit, I posted several good references that state clearly photons are massless, and there are many more online if you care to look for yourself Brains.
Photons are fact because they are observable: quote:
Although these semiclassical models contributed to the development of quantum mechanics, many further experiments[2][3] starting with Compton scattering of single photons by electrons, first observed in 1923, validated Einstein's hypothesis that light itself is quantized. In 1926 the chemist Gilbert N. Lewis coined the name photon for these particles, and after 1927, when Arthur H. Compton won the Nobel Prize for his scattering studies, most scientists accepted the validity that quanta of light have an independent existence, and Lewis' term photon for light quanta was accepted.
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PRINCIPLES OF VACUUM PHYSICS
Niels Marquardt
Institute for Accelerator Physics and Synchrotron Radiation,
University of Dortmund, 44221 Dortmund, Germany
Vacuum physics is the necessary condition for scientific research and modern high technology. In this introduction to the physics and technology of vacuum the basic concepts of a gas composed of atoms and molecules are presented. These gas particles are contained in a partially empty volume forming the vacuum. The fundamentals of vacuum, molecular density, pressure, velocity distribution, mean free path, particle velocity,
conductivity, temperature and gas flow are discussed.
The word "vacuum" comes from the Latin "vacua", which means "empty". However, there does not exist a totally empty space in nature, there is no "ideal vacuum". Vacuum is only a partially empty space, where some of the air and other gases have been removed from a gas containing volume ("gas" comes from the Greek word "chaos" = infinite, empty space). In other words, vacuum means any volume containing less gas particles, atoms and molecules (a lower particle density and gas pressure), than there are in the surrounding outside atmosphere.
Accordingly, vacuum is the gaseous environment at pressures below atmosphere.
Again with the strawmanning, you cannot help yourself can you? I never claimed there were perfect vacuums.
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So you dont know what energy is or how the term is used, you dont know what a vacuum is or how that term is used, the rest you didnt have the balls to even attempt.
Listen furball, you do not know what energy is. You claimed it is capacity which is a total crock of shit.
Listen Muppet, you do not know what a vacuum is either. I told you there were soft and hard vacuums two pages ago. A soft vacuum has a high level of contaminent but is still less
than the environment. No fucking big deal. As I have said an unbelievable number of times times already, a vacuum is simply a space lacking matter to a varying extent: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vacuum "A space relatively empty of matter"
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But then dont feel bad because skip with his UMass education on these specific topics can only post his muppet toys for a response. (Unfortunately I do not understand muppet)
and if that aint enough of a kick in the teeth its a well known fact that the phase velocity of an electromagnetic wave does in fact exceed the speed of light.
Better luck in the next round.
Total crock of shit as per usual that you read in your online travels to discount my assertions. You are so very sad, and stop acting like a little bitch with Skip. He's a grown up who has responsibilities, and clearly doesn't have time for wooden-headed clowns. [:D]
Phase velocity is not relevant to the issue whatsoever http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light because it does not relate to the transfer of energy:
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The phase velocity of an electromagnetic wave, when traveling through a medium, can routinely exceed c, the vacuum velocity of light. For example, this occurs in most glasses at X-ray frequencies.[12] However, the phase velocity of a wave corresponds to the propagation speed of a theoretical single-frequency (purely monochromatic) component of the wave at that frequency. Such a wave component must be infinite in extent and of constant amplitude (otherwise it is not truly monochromatic), and so cannot convey any information.[13] Thus a phase velocity above c does not imply the propagation of signals with a velocity above c.
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