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Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/9/2012 12:58:13 PM)
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I dont live on there and have no obligation to respond at all much less to your time schedule.
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R0 seems determined to have the last word by posting every few days on a thread that died weeks ago. It'll be interesting who ends this bout.
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If you think the earth is not a wire then hold onto one of the hot sides of your 220 volt outlet while standing on the ground barefoot.
Then if you have any friends have them film it for us so we can all watch you go up in smoke. LMAO
The earth isn't a wire. I suggest you familiarise yourself with the word http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wire which in this context is:
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1. A usually pliable metallic strand or rod made in many lengths and diameters, sometimes clad and often electrically insulated, used chiefly for structural support or to conduct electricity.
The fact that electricity goes to earth does not automatically make it an excellent conductor. It is merely the effects of potential difference, with the near-zero potential of earth being an excellent sink for excess energy, which is why it is used for the mains.
its fun watching you blow your doublethink blow your own arguments out of the water
...and its fun seeing how you can't even construct sentences properly.
The best you can do is complain about sentence structure. how disingenuous
LOL just consider who is calling me "disingenuous"! Are you not the one I was responding to who didn't counter my argument about electricity running to earth not necessarily making it a good conductor but rather passed judgement over the argument without engaging with it.
Mayor of Colorado;
WHEREAS; Tesla spent part of 1899 and 1900 1n Colorado Springs,
where he constructed a laboratory 1n which he made seme of
his most significant discoveries, Including manmade lightning and proof that the earth could be used as a giant electrical conductor; and
you expect to me argue your complete bullshit as if it were remotely valid...
Seems the gubbermint even acknowledges it so whats your problem?
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the ground is not a wire, with the implication its non-conductive, where do you people dig that incredible nonsense up from anyway.
No one said it is non-conductive. Some patches may be OK depending on the materials present in the earth but overall it is a regarded as a poor conductor.
however tesla tested it to be 97% efficient with world wide coverage, compare that to stringing wires. another plonk for you!
[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/analogy__realization.jpg[/image]
What a load of horseshit comparing the earth with high quality conductors like copper, just cause Tesla said so! Posting up an illustration is equally worthless as a proof.
(the guy who invented the AC system used throughout the whole fucking world cant be right now can he? LMAO
More of your disingenuous bullshit, of complete lack of knowledge of how "stuff" works.
The only one here who has consistently demonstrated a blindling lack of knowledge about "how "stuff" works" is yourself. Once again, I have acknowledged that Tesla was a great inventor, as has Ron but people actually thought he was made at the time due to his "unusual" behaviour. Clearly he had an unstable personality so if he comes out with extraordinary claims that contradict very well established science, then his "word" is not sufficient. Science operates on the principle of proof, no matter who says it. Even if he didn't have any personal quirks, he would still have to prove everything he asserts if it contradicts a well established body of science.
Everyone acknowledges that tesla was a great inventor but you are using every scum bag poitical propaganda tactic you can muster up to put him down. Now you stoop so low as to claim he had an unstable personality when he never even got a parking ticket and no bonafide record exists beyond the dark nutty recesses of your mind.
He proved that with AC.
We have been over this already. The only benefit of Tesla's AC system over Edison's DC system was the use of transformers to boost voltage over current. It allowed high-voltage transmission over far greater distances, meaning far fewer power stations, and much smaller conductor sizes. Tesla used good conventional science to develop a better system.
I am so glad to see you finally conceded to my correcting of your DC claim earlier in the thread. There is hope after all.
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no one is arguing that an electromagnetic wave is NOT predominately transverse. Tesla testified in court that he is working with predominately longitudinal waves.
A scientist saying something inside or outside a court cannot be regarded as proof when he is making a claim that goes against well established scientific understanding.
tesla did not claim there is no transverse component, in fact his work evolved around eliminating it, that is why the kid can hold that high voltage wire in his hands and not even feel it.
Yeah just another excuse to post more of your copy and paste horseshit, which I have edited out. Once again you are strawmanning. Well established scientific understanding points out that there are NO longitudinal electromagnetic waves in free space.
Whine if there is no cite and piss and moan with cites, at least I dont post wiki.
The speed of light is "well established" and proven to be wrong so do tell us about "WELL ESTABLISHED".
the only one strawmanning bullshit out here is you since I nor tesla EVER claimed there was such a thing as a longitudinal electromagnetic wave?
No rather than post up well referenced Wiki entries you would rather post up videos of guys dicking around in their basements as "proof" the laws of science have been turned upside down. Very well done! [:D]
The speed of light has not been proven wrong to the best of my knowledge. There have been some interesting challenges to it. That however, is not the issue of "debate" here.
The speed of light has been proven NOT constant and your knowledge is lacking to the point you are so far out of your league you are drowning in your own bullshit.
You did claim there was such a thing as a longitudinal electromagnetic waves because whilst I'm not sure if you much use the word "electromagnetic", you kept going on about longitudinal waves, asserting that they exist and kept citing Meyl.
That is absolute horseshit. I have never in my life claimed that a longitudinal wave is "electromagnetic", I explained that to you in every fucking response and you continue to pass off your lack of comprehension and inability to read off as a strawman argument.
Everyone who read the thread knows that so you would have been better off moving the goal posts like you usually do.
Mechanical longitudinal waves exist, that is well established science. We never disputed that.
Any movement, waves included are in fact mechanical, more demonstration that you are smoking some really bad shit.
The issue was always the existence of longitudinal electromagnetic waves.
That is your issue not mine as I said; I have never in my life claimed that a longitudinal wave is "electromagnetic", and I would be shocked if Meyl did
Meyl's work involves longitudinal electromagnetic waves, and all the Tesla freaks online insist there is such a thing as scalar, i.e. longitudinal electromagnetic waves. They do so because they are a very important element in the working of Tesla's system - one area where he scored a massive fail.
Yo usimply continue to talk about electro magnetic longitudinal waves and you continue to make this strawman red herring argument that NO ONE BUT YOU CLAIMED TO BE THE CASE, more of your same disingenous shit and YOUR MASSIVE FAIL.
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so are you claiming that this wave does not exist? [Images edited out]
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This is a strawman where you mix the very different wave types together. I already drew a clear distinction between sound waves and electromagnetic waves.
Once again you simply do not get what I was talking about and I am watching you wallow in it and LMAO
bullshit! All you did was stand on your soap box making incorrect claims as always, nothing new there.
Nope, you repeatedly mixed the two very different wave types together. This is basic science, and the fact you got it wrong repeatedly shows you know nothing about the topic.
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Sound waves are mechanical waves. They are longitudinal. Electromagnetic waves are very different http://www.physicsclassroom.com/mmedia/waves/em.cfm in their nature.
NOTHING ZIPPO NADA in that link claims that electrical waves are NOT mechanical!
Again you demonstrate a misunderstanding of very basic science, demonstrating comically enough what you denied misunderstanding just above! [:D]
The concept of mechanical waves is that the require a medium to travel. Electromagnetic waves have the ability to travel in a vacuum, unlike mechanical waves. Its that simple.
you continue to claim the same nonsense that something can exist in nothing. Listen to yourself and how absolutely foolish you sound. That whole premise is complete loonarcy.
You seem to think that in a pure vacuum nothing exists.
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They have not been shown to ever be longitudinal in free space, despite all of Meyl's efforts, and established theory precludes them. Thus it is fair to strongly doubt the existence of Tesla's scalar wave.
so you think that a traveling electric wave is not mechanical? If not mechanical then what is it voodoo?
Jesus Christ, you really don't know the basics do you? Electromagnetic waves are energy, as the fucking name suggests! [:D] Here is a nice Wiki source for you!
Sound waves are energy too, so what? LOL
Again what you said is completely meaningless.
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Electromagnetic radiation (EM radiation or EMR) is a form of energy emitted and absorbed by charged particles, which exhibits wave-like behavior as it travels through space. EMR has both electric and magnetic field components, which stand in a fixed ratio of intensity to each other, and which oscillate in phase perpendicular to each other and perpendicular to the direction of energy and wave propagation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_wave
Teslas transmission does is not radiation and has no electromagnetic radiation. you fucked up again.
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I suggest you acquaint yourself with the very basics before spouting off about Tesla and the gubbermint.
Yes you really do need to take high school electricity so you can keep up with what it being said here
So says the guy who doesn't know the high school basics of science. Oh what you could learn if you went back into a class of fourteen year olds! Lets start a petition for that... [:D]
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I also suggest you make some effort to read the links others on here have generously taken the time to provide you with. To quote the article I linked to in my last response:
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Electromagnetic waves are waves which can travel through the vacuum of outer space. Mechanical waves, unlike electromagnetic waves, require the presence of a material medium in order to transport their energy from one location to another. Sound waves are examples of mechanical waves while light waves are examples of electromagnetic waves.
Outer space is NOT a vaccum, another fuck up of yours.
Now you want to claim that "some" thing can transport through "NO" thing. More completely absurd doublethink of yours
Wow, wrong again. Space isn't a perfect vacuum but it is still defined as one. There are different grades of vacuums, from "soft" to "hard".
I am glad that you not only conceded to my previous correcting you but I can see that you actually learned from it since you appear to have repeated it back correctly.
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