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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/17/2012 5:51:48 PM   
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Greetings, it has been a while. I see the arguing is still going on so I thought I would throw these pics and videos of some early experiments using a 30cm diameter flat spiral coil into the mix. All (filament) bulbs are 15 watt 240 volt. Measured resistance = 330 ohms. Have fun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BkwZ-fIhEE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtNTdhvf07o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b4CUlKUd7s

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/4923/84291745.jpg

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4622/90309561.jpg

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8034/86240560.jpg

Small scale Tesla Magnifying Transmitter (untuned). Grounded end of coil = output.

http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/7930/lighttheteslaway01tmt72.jpg

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7930/lighttheteslaway01tmt72.jpg

This is the top of the coil with a piece of pine wood near it, the "false output", high voltage that everyone wrongly believes to be the output.

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2251/tmtextracoil01wmvsnapsh.jpg


o0o A sock.....how quaint. Is this the best you can do RO.

I suggest you get a 100w lamp and shove 10,000 volts through it and see what happens. It certainly wouldnt stay alight for long, as it does in your videos.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/17/2012 6:12:59 PM   
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just think what would happen if we used 100,000 volt whilhurst. it would totally disintegrate just thinking about all that juice huh. geezus whats wrong with you people.

no if you were paying attention he happens to be the guy that built the TMT I posted in the very beginning of the thread. He must have tracked his video to this board LOL

With all these impressive shit house scientists.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/17/2012 6:21:27 PM   
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oh and BTW you never did square ua away on how 100 watt bulb can light when connected across a dead short, especially since you stood up and proclaimed that the juice takes the lowest resistance route.

I also posted another vid showing how he shorted the light at the bulb terminals itself and the bulb stil lit even though it had a dead short across it.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/17/2012 6:40:30 PM   
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better not quit your day job

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8zNsUTWsOc



Yawn ... Any new ETCHINGS of the mythic 'broadcast current experiment in colorado that didn't ever happen? Hey nice work attacking that woman today. Real classy.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/17/2012 8:27:02 PM   
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better not quit your day job

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8zNsUTWsOc



Yawn ... Any new ETCHINGS of the mythic 'broadcast current experiment in colorado that didn't ever happen? Hey nice work attacking that woman today. Real classy.




well you have proven that you can wipe your ass with that mythical degree you were bragging about. Like you attack this? Then remove all doubt by proving how bankrupt you are on the matter.


you dont stand a snowballs chance in hell. you cannot explain how that light can work across a dead short any more than the the shit house scientists out here can.








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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/17/2012 8:47:38 PM   
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Again... nice job insulting the nice woman today.
See ya in a about a week tough guy.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/17/2012 8:49:17 PM   
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Well spotted.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3609/90103327.jpg

The wire obviously isn't zero potential. The spark into the desk makes no difference to the brightness of the bulb, I only left it there to show that it happens, not in relation to the bulb, but the fact that it sparks into the desk at all, the surface of which is plastic and underneath it wood (it's a kitchen worktop).

I don't know what the capacitance of the wire is. Those were very early experiments. If you notice I also have the metal screw-in part of the bulb on the "output" side of the filament as I was figuring these things out. I later found out that Tesla mentions the "problem" of needing sufficient capacitance on the other terminal of a filament in order to get highest output in the one wire bulbs patent.

I don't know exactly what the supply voltage is. I estimate around 4000 volts from the flyback transformer supplying the 2 turn flat spiral primary, and the voltage at the top of the flat spiral secondary to be around 20,000-30,000 volts. The output is the OUTSIDE low voltage side of the coil, not the inside. This is supposed to be the grounded side of the coil. This is how I am able to connect the coil to a bucket of soil and plug a bulb into the soil and light it. This is the basis of the wireless energy transmission, only the coil should be tuned to the earth rather than a small bucket of soil. Using a bigger lower frequency coil I was able to use the earthed central heating system in the house to power things at the opposite side of the house, simply connecting to the radiator pipes as the power supply.

So what the voltage is here, on an earthed transmission line? I have no idea. This is a video of that. It will also light a 15 watt filament bulb on the receiver but the whole setup is as experimental as it looks, there wasn't enough light output to film it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG3IvZEVB4c

I agree being sceptical is a good thing to a certain extent. That's how I ended up with all this junk Seeing a bulb with one wire light up in front of me pretty much made me pay attention to Tesla's work.

I don't know how to make a car work yet, I believe that might require a network of passive transceivers acting as relay stations. Aquatic vehicles should be somewhat easier though, in theory at least. Anyway ultimately this makes no difference at this stage, it's far too early to be speaking of cars. This is all un-charted territory so in order to make it engineerable the basics need to be studied. The high voltage experiments have since been put on hold and now the system is being studied from a radio approach and developed.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/17/2012 8:51:39 PM   
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o0o A sock.....how quaint. Is this the best you can do RO.

I suggest you get a 100w lamp and shove 10,000 volts through it and see what happens. It certainly wouldnt stay alight for long, as it does in your videos.


This happens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PMUSz1Efzw

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/18/2012 3:24:34 AM   
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oh and BTW you never did square ua away on how 100 watt bulb can light when connected across a dead short, especially since you stood up and proclaimed that the juice takes the lowest resistance route.

I also posted another vid showing how he shorted the light at the bulb terminals itself and the bulb stil lit even though it had a dead short across it.

~unexplained mysteries



Its impossible to teach anyone who thinks live tv of 9/11 was faked anything.

If you look, I cant be arsed, I think I did square up your problem.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/18/2012 3:26:19 AM   
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o0o A sock.....how quaint. Is this the best you can do RO.

I suggest you get a 100w lamp and shove 10,000 volts through it and see what happens. It certainly wouldnt stay alight for long, as it does in your videos.


This happens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PMUSz1Efzw



Come on RO, your latest video shows nothing and proves nothing. Try a bit harder.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/18/2012 5:22:36 AM   
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So at this point we have some pictures of scads of undefineable stuff (and some out of the picture) without specification that runs off a 110v (if here) or whatever the UK has and lights a light bulb poorly.   I believe we can do that today with less apparatus in place, quite easily. and I dont see a savings or efficiency here.  and I dont see cars running on a one wire tether criss crossing this globe either.

I would warrant that PoliteSub here could continuously light a light bulb off the rise in my blood pressure by reminding me occasionally that hes a bleeding Thatcherite, with no wires and an ordinary flashlight.

Thats where it stands, dont see any scalability or exploitability in this parlour trick as of yet.  Some hundreds of years and nobody can tell us exactly how it works and with real diagrams and materiel and inputs and outputs?

I think it is far too early to take a wait and see attitude here.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/18/2012 12:36:46 PM   
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Ron, I know you think the sun shines outta my arse, but it is actually a flourescent tube, illuminating the streets for the good people of Sussex UK. No wires, no smoke, no mirrors.

PS, maggie said thanks for the flowers.......lol

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/18/2012 1:50:49 PM   
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You wanted to know what would happen with a few thousand volts over the bulb. Now you know.

[edit] Or rather, you wanted me to know as if I don't already know, because you thought you already know. But I know different.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/18/2012 1:58:47 PM   
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Some hundreds of years and nobody can tell us exactly how it works and with real diagrams and materiel and inputs and outputs?


This is hardly an argument "against" the technology. Some 100 years later, I put a pile of wood and copper together precisely as the inventor suggested, and do what is supposedly parlour tricks and magical, which no one here can explain, producing effects exactly as the inventor had claimed some 100 years ago? This hardly paints a picture that shows the technology to be useless or the inventor a fool. It's humanity that has failed. The so-called scientific community should be ashamed of itself.

[edit] There are no savings or increased efficiency here. Nothing of the kind is claimed by me. A radio transmitter is putting out maximum power whether anyone is listening or not. In the same way the power supply is supplying the power regardless of the efficiency/tuning of the coil. They are two separate things. Power supply voltage and current is included in the video descriptions. The unknown is the output of the flyback transformer. Unlike the youtube "Tesla coil" lightning bolt waste of energy the thing must be studied to maximise the tuning and efficiency for practical uses, not to get big lightning bolts. This is a slow process when 4 people out of nearly 7 billion people in the last 100 years bother to concern themselves with it. If you want progress then you are free as I am to contribute. All shown effects are easily repeatable and verifiable so there is no basis for any argument therefore the whole thing is a waste of time. The time spent arguing so far could have just as well been spent doing something productive, the truth would have been learned through experience, and we would see that there's more than what exists within human "laws". The only basis for any such argument is ignorance. If you want to see whether the sky is blue or not all you need to do is look at it. Refusal to do so reveals one's true intentions.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/19/2012 11:53:37 AM   
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o0o A sock.....how quaint. Is this the best you can do RO.

I suggest you get a 100w lamp and shove 10,000 volts through it and see what happens. It certainly wouldnt stay alight for long, as it does in your videos.


This happens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PMUSz1Efzw



Come on RO, your latest video shows nothing and proves nothing. Try a bit harder.




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You wanted to know what would happen with a few thousand volts over the bulb. Now you know.

[edit] Or rather, you wanted me to know as if I don't already know, because you thought you already know. But I know different.



little does he know that you are his neighbor as you explained to anax.

and actually he didnt want to know, in fact he was simply making a snide remark and throwing more shit at the wall like ron and praying no one would notice or that you or I would not know. So your edit is right on target!





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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/19/2012 11:57:44 AM   
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So at this point we have some pictures of scads of undefineable stuff (and some out of the picture) without specification that runs off a 110v (if here) or whatever the UK has and lights a light bulb poorly.   I believe we can do that today with less apparatus in place, quite easily. and I dont see a savings or efficiency here.  and I dont see cars running on a one wire tether criss crossing this globe either.

I would warrant that PoliteSub here could continuously light a light bulb off the rise in my blood pressure by reminding me occasionally that hes a bleeding Thatcherite, with no wires and an ordinary flashlight.

Thats where it stands, dont see any scalability or exploitability in this parlour trick as of yet.  Some hundreds of years and nobody can tell us exactly how it works and with real diagrams and materiel and inputs and outputs?

I think it is far too early to take a wait and see attitude here.



when applied to a car or an airplane there would be no tether, the earth acts as a single wire for electrical lighting heat and motors etc. saving extra receiver design with only the need to stick a rod in the ground.

Nobody? You and the mice in your pocket?



schematic? fuck its all in the patent plenty have been posted you simply pretend none have been posted or are delusional? which is it?


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/19/2012 12:44:51 PM   
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Ron, I know you think the sun shines outta my arse,



DrGreen,

another way kool is posting your demonstration how power can be transmitted via the water pipes, (GROUNDED TO THE GROUND) that polite was saying could not happen!

Sort of changes what he said to ron to






~METHANE POWER!




Likewise for the 10,000 volts into a lightbulb. you can put a million volts into a lightbulb at 1 picoamp and it will be luck of the charge mames it to the other side much less actually light something much less burn anything out.







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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/19/2012 1:08:26 PM   
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Schematics are included in the videos before each configuration is tested anyway. The latest ones don't have any because I didn't need them. They are standard configurations shown in Tesla's patents and writings.

I'm intrigued that an earthed transmission line works, although at the same time this is not a good indication. The point of an electrical earth is well known, so if I am able to connect to earthed pipes and still power things on the other end then clearly the earthing is not good enough. It may be sufficient for normal electrical needs, but under certain circumstances through transformer action, with no physical connections, not even needing a physical connection to the earthed pipe, the energy will easier flow into a receiving coil and light LEDs than it will simply flow into earth and do nothing.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/19/2012 1:10:31 PM   
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Engineering analysis of the Colorado Springs Tesla Magnifying Transformer

By Eric Dollard

Preface: the following material and calculations are taken from the Tesla Colorado Springs Notebook. An index of important pages is given at the end.

1) The Colorado Transformer consists in part of a basic quarter wave resonant transformer, referred to in the notes as the primary-secondary structure. The primary circuit is of the balanced, open loop break, configuration. This break in the primary loop gives rise to steep transient waves. This in turn gives rise to a multitude of harmonic travelling waves upon the coiled windings which constitute the Tesla Transformer. This is discussed in “Condensed Intro to Tesla Transformers.” Like did Tesla, we will focus on the sinusoidal, single frequency, distributions.


2) Next is the extra coil. This coil here operates with a propagation constant less than an eighth of a wavelength. Therefore the coil is operating as a simple inductance coil, not as a distributed network. The distributed network capacity of this mode can be expressed as a definite terminal capacitance. Hence the inductance of this coil is adequately represented by its static inductance.

3) Finally is the capacity mast. The effective electrostatic capacity of this mast is given. To convert from C.G.S. “centimeters” first divide by the speed of light squared, in centimeters per second, then multiply by ten to the plus ninth. This gives Farads. It works out to 1.1 times C.G.S. gives picoFarads. How easy.

The capacity of the mast consists of two components, one is the self capacity to earth in per Farads, the other is the mutual elastivity K to the ionosphere in per Farads. The measured mast capacity is a resultant, the square root of the ratio of self capacity, C, to the mutual elastivity, K. The actual values of C and K are unknown. The square root of the product of C and K is the propagation constant. The smaller the value of this constant, the greater is the electro-static coupling to the ionosphere.

4) It should be noted that the earth connection at this location was very poor. It was not adequate for the system neutrals. This gives rise to stray mutual inductance between neutral connections. This also led to travelling waves on the two wire 1000 volt power line that powered the Tesla system. Standing waves in the distant generator windings shorted out these coils burning out the town’s generator station.

In conclusion, the Colorado Tesla Transformer is most basic. An extremely high electromotive force is established through the employment of a large lumped series resonant circuit. This series circuit consists of a static inductance coil, the extra coil, and a static capacitance, the capacity mast. This is a basic LC circuit.

This LC circuit is fed by a constant current resonant transformer as a source of low frequency alternating current energy. The operating frequency is near 45 Kilocycles.

5) The propagation constants and the transmission impedances can be derived from the basic physical dimensions of this system. It is fortunate that we have the “RadioTron Designers Handbook”, Tesla did not. He had no frequency counter, no scope, no W.W.V. time standard, Nothing! Think about this.

6) SECONDARY COIL DIMENSIONS AND CONSTANTS


Diameter: 15 meters
Height: 1 meter
Number of Turns: 17 numeric
Mean Length of Turn: 47 meters
Total Length of Turns: 800 meters
Luminal Wavelength: 3200 meters
Self Capacitance: 1500 picoFarad
Self Inductance: 10 milliHenry
Luminal Frequency: 94 Kc/sec
Free Space Frequency: 64 Kc/sec
Actual Frequency: 43 Kc/sec
Free Space Propagation: 68%
Actual Propagation: 46%
Transmission Impedance: 2500 Ohm
Dielectric Burden: 330 picoFarads

7) EXTRA COIL DIMENSIONS AND CONSTANTS
Diameter: 8.4 feet
Height: 8.0 feet
Number of Turns: 100 numeric
Mean Length of Turn: 8 meters
Total Length of Turns: 800 meters
Luminal Wavelength: 3200 meters
Self Capacitance: 112 picoFarad
Self Inductance: 25 milliHenry
Luminal Frequency: 94 Kc/sec
Free Space Frequency: 176 Kc/sec
Actual Frequency: 116 Kc/sec
Free Space Propagation: 187%
Actual Propagation: 123%
Transmission Impedance: 15 Kilo-Ohm
Dielectric Burden: 26 picoFarads

8) MAST CAPACITANCE EFFECTIVE VALUE:

Measured Capacitance is given approximately at 320 picoFarads

The self capacitance of the extra coil is given as 112 picoFarad.

The total capacitance is hence given,
Total End Capacity, 432 picoFarad

This end capacity is series resonant with a 25 milliHenry inductance coil. This gives rise to a propagation constant, (the resonant frequency) and to a transfer impedance.

9) The propagation constant, or frequency, is defined as the inverse of the quantity consisting of the square root of the inductance times the capacitance, this root then multiplied by two Pi. Hence cycles per second.

The product,
25 milliHenry times 432 picoFarad
Results in a frequency of
47 Kilo-cycles

10) The transfer impedance is given as the square root of the ratio of the inductance to the capacitance.

25 milliHenry divided by 432 picoFarad
Results in an impedance of
7600 Ohm

This represents the output impedance of the Tesla Magnifying Transformer.

11) The basic circuit is shown in figure 1:

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u200/johnpolakow/Tesla%20Transformer%20Schematic/TeslaTransformerSchematic001.jpg

In basic terms, a 45 Kc/sec 2500 Ohm source of alternating current energy energizes a large series resonant circuit consisting of an inductance coil and elevated capacity structure. At 45 Kilo-cycles per second, every ampere supplied to the extra coil gives rise to 7.6 Kilovolts at the elevated capacity terminal. The effects of higher harmonics and distributed constants can raise this potential by no more than 50% over the base 7.5 KV. Hereby, for a capacity potential of 1000 KV, the input current to the extra coil must be 132 amperes at 45 Kilocycles per second.

12) This derives the total KiloVolt-Ampere reactive activity of the extra coil in 1000 KV operation, hence, the total activity;

132 MegaVolt-Ampere

This is a substantial activity of 174 thousand horsepower, remembering that this is an average value, the peak value is unknown.

13) In conclusion, the Colorado Springs Tesla Magnification Transformer is a very simple system, no more than a giant series resonant circuit with an approximately sinusoidal waveform rendered asymmetrical by a moderate dampening constant. The extra coil is not operating as a transmission network of distributed constants, but only as a basic inductance coil. Hence the length of wire on the coil is somewhat immaterial. The mast capacitance swamps out the extra coil self capacitance, this suppressing transmission modes of higher harmonics.

This transformer is seen to be somewhat disappointing to the theorist. No fancy travelling wave interaction nor any stupendous harmonic conjunctions, only a Big Series Resonant Circuit. It can be surmised that the Colorado Springs Transformer was incapable of full mono-polar operation, due to the suppression of distributed constants. What is fortunate is that with the material hereby provided the Colorado Springs Tesla Transformer can be scaled down to any convenient size for experimentation. This setup is now quantified, and the mystics can remain silent.

73 DE N6KPH

Reference Index (From Colorado Springs Notes)
Page 43 & 58 Primary Circuit
Page 67 Primary Length
Page 203 Primary/Secondary Dimensions
Page 206 Secondary Frequency
Page 211 Secondary Inductance
Page 260 to 267 Capacity Mast
Page 318 Extra Coil Dimensions
Page 357 Extra Coil Ground Frequency
Page 359 Extra Coil Mast Frequency
Page 363 Extra Coil Free Frequency

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/19/2012 1:13:37 PM   
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well tesla proved that at colorado when he used the cities water and sewer as his ground and a spark would jump to the dogs piss when they pissed on a hydrant. (would have loved to have been there)

that is proof of concept in and of itself which is why he said he needed an really good independent ground and he dug such deep tunnels under salt water soaked ground at wardenclyffe to eleimate those isses.

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