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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/15/2012 11:41:20 AM   
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ron didnt make any points. Get the point?

Tesla no shock hair pin demonstrated with audience participation

Now I will hold off asking you too many embarrassing questions until you get a chance to see this video.

For the skin effect, the input frequency is 60 cycle mains here in america.

Until then think about the resistance in a 1 foot of 3/8" copper tubing, and here you can see that the bulb only dims with a dead short across the input terminals, you can also see that a 100 watt incandescent light woorks at full brightness in "series" with a fluorescent tube which you know or should know cannot be done with conventional electricity theory.

He explains what is required to do this and he grabs with both hands the same section of rods used to light the 100 watt bulbs.


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yup 12 volt in series with a flourescent, it would still have lit the 100 watt bulb just not to full brightnbess

had he used an 8 foot flourescent it would have lit the 100 watt bulb

he connected ONE wire from the terminal to the 12 volt bulb then from the 12 volt bulb to one end of the flourescent and the other end of the flourescent is OPEN with no connection to anything.

now use your ohms law to calculate the current in that ONE WIRE connection.

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12v in water and grabbing outside the voltage drop with shoes insulating and whatever else is on the floor to circumvent the ground isn't going to be anything that we should ooh and ahh over, or shit our pants over, or be mystified by.


it could be 1000 watts and you would do your best to put it down because you have no clue how it works.

I already posted the 100 watt bulb numerous times and you blindly reject reality.









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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/15/2012 11:44:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, you do it.   dc current at probably one volt would flouresce the bulb and probably light the other 12v bulb as well.  I am unsure if that bulb was incandescent or not, not that it would mater much.  a 100W bulb at 1 volt is only .01 ohm, at 12v, its a little less than 1.5 ohms.  since a dry body is between 1K and 10K ohms resistance......well, you have the physics explained to you and the electrical path.

Water the body and you drop to 10 to 200 ohms.

Electricity takes the path of least resistance.

Glad I could explain something so fundamental in the understanding of electricity to you.    

Of course, as always we do not know how many volts he was running.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/15/2012 11:51:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		no electricity doe s not to the exclusion of all other paths.
our resident 40 year liineman misled you
as I said umteen times the circuit is being fed by a 10000 to 15000 volts transformer

that means that between 10000-15000 volts minimum are being fired into that circuit.



here, some elementary school electricity for you. If you can pass this simple grade school test then you will understand how fucked up you are LMAO

http://www.wisc-online.com/objects/ViewObject.aspx?ID=DCE8604





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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/15/2012 5:03:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		there is absolutely no proof of that transformer putting out 1000-to 15000 volts, now which is it 10 or 15, no transformer is that loose, they have to match windings even if its one of your tesla coils, by authority of every link you have explaining thier construction.

You cant just say, I will wind this until I am done pounding my pud and thats good enough, lets see what we got.

a step up transformer of that magnitude (since we have evidence it was plugged into the 120v wall outlet from the video)   would create a melting heat, but would not raise the ohms above 1k in a 20 amp circuit breaker which is common for recepticals in a classroom.

Nah, no 15k volts there at all.  the transformer did not melt at 300KW.  pure impossible, the people would melt, worst case scenario, it would take 6KW to heat that room.

WHAS HAPPUN TO THE 294KW? Did it go grocery shopping?  The 50 extra rooms of heat?


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/15/2012 6:51:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings, it has been a while. I see the arguing is still going on so I thought I would throw these pics and videos of some early experiments using a 30cm diameter flat spiral coil into the mix. All (filament) bulbs are 15 watt 240 volt. Measured resistance = 330 ohms. Have fun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BkwZ-fIhEE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtNTdhvf07o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b4CUlKUd7s

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/4923/84291745.jpg

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4622/90309561.jpg

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8034/86240560.jpg

Small scale Tesla Magnifying Transmitter (untuned). Grounded end of coil = output.

http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/7930/lighttheteslaway01tmt72.jpg

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7930/lighttheteslaway01tmt72.jpg

This is the top of the coil with a piece of pine wood near it, the "false output", high voltage that everyone wrongly believes to be the output.

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2251/tmtextracoil01wmvsnapsh.jpg

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/15/2012 6:52:25 PM   
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there is absolutely no proof of that transformer putting out 1000-to 15000 volts, now which is it 10 or 15, no transformer is that loose, they have to match windings even if its one of your tesla coils, by authority of every link you have explaining thier construction.

You cant just say, I will wind this until I am done pounding my pud and thats good enough, lets see what we got.

a step up transformer of that magnitude (since we have evidence it was plugged into the 120v wall outlet from the video) would create a melting heat, but would not raise the ohms above 1k in a 20 amp circuit breaker which is common for recepticals in a classroom.

Nah, no 15k volts there at all. the transformer did not melt at 300KW. pure impossible, the people would melt, worst case scenario, it would take 6KW to heat that room.

WHAS HAPPUN TO THE 294KW? Did it go grocery shopping? The 50 extra rooms of heat?




you are aimlessly babbling again, for fuck sake take your damn meds already and say something coherent. LOL

he said it is 10000 volt transformer.





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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/15/2012 7:03:29 PM   
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This is the top of the coil with a piece of pine wood near it, the "false output", high voltage that everyone wrongly believes to be the output.

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2251/tmtextracoil01wmvsnapsh.jpg





nice pics,

do you get a prickling sensation from this one?




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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/15/2012 7:17:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dRGreen420

This is the top of the coil with a piece of pine wood near it, the "false output", high voltage that everyone wrongly believes to be the output.

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2251/tmtextracoil01wmvsnapsh.jpg





nice pics,

do you get a prickling sensation from this one?





You would probably get a nice burn from it or feel like someone just stabbed you with a big needle. I haven't touched it to find out. That's an "insulated" piece of dry wood, your finger will get a much better zap than that That is to illustrate the different activities on both ends of the coil. Safely being a part of the transmission line on one end, and thousands of volts on the other. Hence Tesla's wireless energy transmission via the earth.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/15/2012 9:18:51 PM   
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Electricity takes the path of least resistance.


Well that depends whether any authority actually knows what electricity is or not. To claim it as the only truth then it must be the only observable behaviour of the effect that shall be called "electricity". Let's see if they looked everywhere.

Conventional "circuit", seems to work.

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6996/image230n.jpg

Let's increase the resistance by opening one side of the circuit like a switch, to what, infinity? An open circuit would serve the authorities on the subject as infinite resistance I guess. The book says the light will go off. There should be no electrical activity.

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/4923/84291745.jpg

Well that didn't quite go to plan.

Now let's try increasing the resistance of the overall transmission line on the other side of the filament by adding more wire to impede it some more. Not that it should make any difference since it's an open circuit anyway.

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/7912/73330532.jpg

It got brighter. The energy now prefers to flow through the 330 ohm filament more than it did before, but why would it flow at all? It's an infinitely high resistance, there is no circuit. It is clear by now that we have left the book far behind.

Let's try two bulbs in series.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4622/90309561.jpg

Second one didn't light. Let's try adding more wire after the bulb.

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/7504/57142344.jpg

Same effect as before.

Here the claim is seen to be wrong. The bulb with longer wires is brighter. The energy prefers the path of most resistance.

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8034/86240560.jpg

But here is the catch. It doesn't prefer the path of most resistance. That would just be one "correct" way of describing an observable effect, but that doesn't explain the whole story at all. The bulb is brighter because the longer wire has more capacitance. Path of least resistance is out the window, down the toilet, wherever you prefer.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/16/2012 7:28:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Let's increase the resistance by opening one side of the circuit like a switch, to what, infinity? An open circuit would serve the authorities on the subject as infinite resistance I guess. The book says the light will go off. There should be no electrical activity.

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/4923/84291745.jpg

Well that didn't quite go to plan.

no, look in the II quadrant, it goes to ground, dont know what book you are talking about.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/16/2012 7:36:22 AM   
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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/16/2012 2:55:08 PM   
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dont know what book you are talking about.


The "Book Of Truth" of course. The source of all knowledge that shall not be questioned. The book that explains the whole universe, the book that will never need revision or correction.

You know, the one that everyone reads before going on the internet and telling everyone else the way it is.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/16/2012 3:01:12 PM   
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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/16/2012 3:35:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tinfoiler?? That is the way it is. If you want to learn the subject of "electrical engineering" then you will be taught "the truth" (as the authorities on the subject understand it). Then you will be on the internet arguing against anyone else who has something different because you know better.

There is no tinfoil to be found in this situation. That is just an unfortunate thing about humans. They "should" change their beliefs when something that's not explained comes along. But they don't. They just sweep it under the rug, pretend they never saw it or try to explain it away as nonsense, so they can continue with their current belief system.

This is observable human behaviour. No tinfoil.

[edit] "The book" is simply an analogy for whatever source of information that forms the basis of any particular belief system. "Science" in this era is a belief system. This has been experimentally verified, through the scientific process itself. Herein lies the dilemma of a non-tinfoiler in a society that claims to be dealing in truth.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/17/2012 7:17:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Explain the spark in quadrant II in the picture that I posted before, cuz it looks like a ground to me,  and how much capacitance the approximately 9" of wire holds. and how that works out. to light this lightbulb.

What are the inputs to these things?  not the 1000v transformers in the tinfoil videos supplied by the resident non-expert.

I understand capacitance and actually, when much younger the idea of storing sunlight, wavelength, electricity any electromagnetic wave in a battery comprised of a nautilus of mirrors was something I discussed with my father and he said it was the stupidest thing ever heard, and lo and behold 30 years later I read in scientific american they were doing just that (with minor modifications, the 'mirrors' being 'round' so that atoms would not absorb so easily)  in beer can sized modules and capturing and storing atom by atom waves.

So, before you pontificate, I learned a long time ago, and it was from einstein that alternative thinking solves problems.  The question was not that newtons laws were wholly wrong, but they were not wholly correct. But day to day, in every common situation, newtons laws hold good enough for the girls we go out with and do not give the 'wrong' answer. 

Now, the question here, Ohms law, Joules law, and so on, seem to be violated, but it may be that they are not wholly correct for all observable phenomena, or that something else is afoot.  Now, to be skeptical is a good thing.   I see alot of gear, I dont know what it is, what inputs are there, what outlays and so on.  

Either (upon solid proofs and explication) these laws need modifying or new laws exist, is not a hindrance.

But what we see here on the parlour trick level does not seem scalable, and certainly will not run a car as far as I can see.  Perhaps you can give us detail, and proofs, but saying 'the book' and other nebulous tinfoily crap does not advance arguments or knowledge.

Already this isnt really about religion or politics.   But I am willing to hear details and any whys and wherefores.  The entire deal is, if it is repeatable, then there is a law (new or old or a modification) that exists, and that recipe can be put to use.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/17/2012 11:25:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		its not one thousand volt, its TENthousand volts.

I already posted the video and in the beginning of the series he states its a 10,000 volt FURNACE TRANSFORMER that is the input.

For the stuff I posted which was originally the TMT then the hair pin to prove the point but as usual its distracted by your demands for proof of what you know nothing about, then whine because your off topic demands are no longer political. If I the OP does not have a problem with it neither should you.

The hairpin is a dead short, yet lights up 100 watt bulbs when placed across the dead short and will not shock you with or without the light bulb in the circuit. So feel free to use your electron theory to explain it, or beat up on Dr Green to teach you since you have NO rational or reasonable explanation.





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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/17/2012 11:39:11 AM   
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But what we see here on the parlour trick level does not seem scalable, and certainly will not run a car as far as I can see.  Perhaps you can give us detail, and proofs, but saying 'the book' and other nebulous tinfoily crap does not advance arguments or knowledge.




this is where you get beyond absurd since wardenclyffe was the large version.

Neither will you explain your tinfoil version of why a small transmitter receiver/motor/car/boat in your blind estimation is incapable of being upscaled to large of the same.

so lets hear it tinfoiler. why not, wardenclyffe not with standing of course.






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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/17/2012 11:44:20 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGVEragxBLQ&feature=fvwrel

why aint these guys grabbing it.  there is more involved stuff in your video and it aint being explained, so it would be very easy to look at that video (which it is) and say it is stepped back down considerably from that 10Kv transformer. 

And you goddamn sure cannot explain it.

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but as usual its distracted by your demands for proof of what you know nothing about


Two things here, I wouldn't solicit proof for something I know about, which should be pretty fucking obvious to even a profound cretin....

And in no case have you actually explained or provided proof of anything.

Let the guy who actually can describe some of this answer, cuz you cant do it and he easily proved that you have no clue whatsoever regarding what you are blathering here. 

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/17/2012 2:59:52 PM   
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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/17/2012 5:18:17 PM   
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better not quit your day job

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