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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Of course there is if you lose .
Franklin "We must all hang together or we will most assuredly hang seperatly".

Franklin never said this, you are quoting from the play "1776".

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

FYI from the second paragraph of the Declaration of Indepence

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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You know that the electral college was created not so much from distrust of the people as to keep the small states from being overwhlmed and ignored in favor of the big states.

Well gosh, couldn't they just pull out their rifles and shoot it out?

That's what the founding fathers intended, right?

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

FYI from the second paragraph of the Declaration of Indepence

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

And (1) they're talking about England; (2) the U.S. HAS that "consent of the governed" in the form of elections (even when people weren't allowed to vote directly, or at all for Senators, and especially not for slaves); (3) same question as before--if they meant this government to be overthrown at will, there would be no such crime as treason.

You all watch too many movies.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

The Senate with equal respresentation for each state kept the small states from being overrun legislatively. The house , with represintation based on population clearly fafored the large states. The electorial collge was to force presidential candidates to take needs of small states into account. I would say this is like talking to a brick wall, but the wall would be smarter.

Wish I could type.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I heard the Franklin quote "we must all hang together................" long before the play 1776 was written.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

FYI from the second paragraph of the Declaration of Indepence

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

And (1) they're talking about England; (2) the U.S. HAS that "consent of the governed" in the form of elections (even when people weren't allowed to vote directly, or at all for Senators, and especially not for slaves); (3) same question as before--if they meant this government to be overthrown at will, there would be no such crime as treason.

You all watch too many movies.

Quote "whenever any Form of Government" not just England. This is from the Declaration of Indepence second paragraph not a TV show.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

You know that the electral college was created not so much from distrust of the people as to keep the small states from being overwhlmed and ignored in favor of the big states.

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Delegates opposed to slavery generally wished to count only the free inhabitants of each state. Delegates supportive of slavery, on the other hand, generally wanted to count slaves in their actual numbers. Since slaves could not vote, slaveholders would thus have the benefit of increased representation in the House and the Electoral College. The final compromise of counting "all other persons" as only three-fifths of their actual numbers reduced the power of the slave states relative to the original southern proposals, but increased it over the northern position.

Congradulations vincentML you got it exactly right, the 3/5s clause was to reduce the power of the slaveholders!!!!