RE: Why Atheism Scares People (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion



Message


MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 4:49:01 PM)

FR

If God made water, and you drown in it, that's YOUR fault -- that's how CHOICE works.





Kirata -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 4:51:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

The existence of natural processes that kill innocent children brings to question the Merciful and Omnipotent God of Christianity. I think the connection is clearly palpable. It is not about what kind of Daddy we want but about what kind of Daddy we have, if any, and if He is deserving of Praise and Obedience. Is he a Daddy of mercy and justice or one of indiscriminant punishment? Is he even in control? Is he even present in this world? Is the Christian God a god of intention? Or just a blind, bumbling monster? ETC


The "clearly palpable" connection you claim is based solely on the premise -- nothing more than just an opinion really -- that the world would be different if there was a merciful and omnipotent God. But why should that necessarily be the case? This is an exciting wild planet, not a play pen. Life here is an adventure, an adventure we invest with purpose and meaning by living it fully. Why should such a gift be held to be "improper" of a merciful and omnipotent God?

K.





LadyHibiscus -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 4:57:57 PM)

I am feeling reckless, so I will ask MSLA what she means by her remark, and how the issue of free will is germane at the moment.

A lady I know as in Japan for the recent earthquake and tsunami. When she posted to say that she was okay, she said, "God is good". For sparing her life, presumably. Yet her good deity smashed the hell out of a whole lot of other people.

Cognitive dissonance?




PeonForHer -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 4:58:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

FR

If God made water, and you drown in it, that's YOUR fault -- that's how CHOICE works.




I don't agree. Acrylic cardigans CAN be washed and STILL maintain their original shape, so long as they're washed carefully. [8|]

ETA: crucial bolds.

2nd ETA: crucial eye-rolling emoticon.




PeonForHer -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 4:59:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I am feeling reckless, so I will ask MSLA what she means by her remark, and how the issue of free will is germane at the moment.



Tut. You're not getting with the programme, Lady Hib. This thread is about who can make the most irrelevant comment in response to someone else's.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 4:59:57 PM)

Token irrelevant comment: It's all in the drying process.




Kirata -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 5:36:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I am feeling reckless, so I will ask MSLA what she means by her remark, and how the issue of free will is germane at the moment.

Tut. You're not getting with the programme, Lady Hib. This thread is about who can make the most irrelevant comment in response to someone else's.

So then, you're a competitor? [:)]

K.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 5:38:55 PM)

Always! [;)]




PeonForHer -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 6:39:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

So then, you're a competitor? [:)]



No, I am the unrivalled champion [;)]




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 6:41:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus


Atheists idiotically argue that the mere existence of ANYTHING bad, ipso-facto, is proof there is no God.  Thus, if God created water, and one goes into the ocean and drowns (i.e., “bad”) then this is their supposed proof that God doesn’t exist (or said person’s drowning is God’s fault), else God would not have allowed them to drown.  No… we have FREE WILL to make our OWN choices -- choices which may kill us.

As to earthquakes and such… nature has it’s own cycle/purpose -- i.e., what we refer to as an earthquake (“bad”), is nature merely shifting plates to relieve pressure (“good”).

Rain, for example, feeds plants, fruits, and vegetables… but it also makes the roads slippery.  Thus, using the SAME asinine logic of Atheists, rain is bad because it can cause accidents where people die -- which is somehow supposed to be proof that God doesn’t exist (or that it’s God’s fault) for allowing someone to die in a car accident while it’s raining. [8|]






MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 6:43:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


Your failure at comprehension is exactly that -- your failure. [8|]





LadyHibiscus -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 6:45:09 PM)

Well, that was the response i was expecting, ranting that didnt answer the question. Carry on!




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 6:50:22 PM)

 
Well, that was the response i was expecting... denial when the ANSWER refutes the idiotic Atheist view.  Carry on! [8|]





LadyHibiscus -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 6:54:27 PM)

Okay. There's a commercial on.

Explain how god is being 'good' by 'allowing' some people to survive a tragedy while killing others. Or is it just random nature? And not an omnicient and omnipotent deity?

Try to avoid the insults, too, just for a change of pace. No one likes a harpy.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 7:01:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Explain how god is being 'good' by 'allowing' some people to survive a tragedy while killing others.



1)  You assume above that it is GOD that is "killing" -- it's not.

2)  Again, reference nature as to earthquakes and such.  If one assumes God created nature (just like rain), then it is "good" that nature does what it's intended to do in order to preserve the Earth.






LadyHibiscus -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 7:05:46 PM)

So...in your worldview, god created the earth, which is just doing its own thing but deity has NO control over the life and death of individuals?





MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 7:28:54 PM)

 
For those who subscribe to the Bible, they accept/understand that people have FREE WILL.... free will not to live in an area with earthquakes... free will not to drive on a rainy day... free will not to abuse their bodies with drugs... free will to believe in God, or not.  As difficult (or puzzling) as it might be for some to comprehend, God does not micromanage every single aspect of every person's life -- i.e., we're not ROBOTS.  Additionally, those of faith accept that we do not, and likely will not, always have ALL the answers for why some things happen and some things don't?!!  One simply has faith, where others do not.

"For those who believe, no proof is necessary -- for those who do not, no proof is possible".





Aswad -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 7:39:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

I think the question existed well before the institutionalization of the church. It was never exclusively a Christian question. Nor is it today.


I agree.

quote:

What boundaries bother you so?


For instance, the discussion in conventional theology proceeds from assumptions that introduce paradox. When you hold two or more assumptions to be factual, while they are mutually exclusive, then you end up with a paradox that must be resolved. The dicussion without the conventional boundaries will resolve the paradoxes by asserting one or more assumptions probably have to go, or at least be reinterpreted. The discussions with these boundaries, however, mut construct a complex scaffolding of ideas that serve no function but to avoid the paradox and have no basis in the source material or even common sense.

One example of a way to resolve the paradox, is to discard the assumption that God is what modern humans would consider good, and in particular ultimate good. That's a simple solution. A more complex solution is to say that "well, we're here to learn something, which requires a universe with cause and effect, as well as challenges to overcome.", as this is true of human learning generally. More complex again, you can posit that this is purgatory, and that reincarnation occurs. And so forth.

As a sidebar, plenty of scifi series have used the idea of virtual reality as a way to rehabilitate criminals. Since we are limited by our perceptions, we cannot determine what is real, only what is shared. When we get adequate computational power, we will without a doubt create simulated universes. And someone will get the bright idea of using a "massively multiplayed virtual reality" for rehabilitation (it's a reasonable assumption that sensory replacement will be in place by then). Shortly thereafter, some people on a board in that simulation will be discussing this very same question, unaware that they are experiencing a simulated life for the purpose of rehabilitation. And someone will assert that this notion is patently absurd, and keep thinking so until they come out of the simulation and the prison staff bring them back to their cell in order to evaluate whether or not to send them back in or let them go. The sadist in me would like to see the prisoner's face at that point (not that I'm positing this to be the case; I'm not).

The notion that we can't fully grasp God is functionally equivalent to the notion that we can't fully grasp reality.

Maybe this reality is precisely what we need?

IWYW,
- Aswad.





Aswad -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 7:52:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

So...in your worldview, god created the earth, which is just doing its own thing but deity has NO control over the life and death of individuals?


Do you always intervene? Do you have homeless people under your roof that you feed and clothe? Did you run out of homeless people to save, seeing as you have an Internet connection that probably isn't free? You have the power to do it, after all. To give up the Internet and anything else you might have going, and spend the time and money on helping people.

As Kirata has implied, a full life involves ups and downs, risk and adventure.

For some to win, some must lose. That's the way we work.

Why should reality be less suited to our nature?

IWYW,
- Aswad.





LadyHibiscus -> RE: Why Atheism Scares People (5/20/2012 8:13:44 PM)

I'm really not sure about your response to me, Aswad. I don't feel compelled to help everyone, though I do what I can. And I live the adventure free of guidance from above.




Page: <<   < prev  11 12 [13] 14 15   next >   >>

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
0.046875