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misterraymond -> RE: SUB DROP (6/9/2012 9:55:40 AM)

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im a masochist


Not a sadist then..............?




misterraymond -> RE: SUB DROP (6/9/2012 9:58:59 AM)

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I couldn't make it all the way through the origional post - reading 7 pages? Not going to happen. I'm at the "SQUIRREL" bottomed out level of my attention span, these days....


"Being entirely honest with oneself is a good exercise"

who said that, clue " Dangerous Method"




amaidiamond -> RE: SUB DROP (6/9/2012 1:08:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: misterraymond

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a blanket and a drink of something with sugar in, cola or sweet tea and leave me to process is exactly what I tend to need as i come back to reality


This is good, but not all women are the same and subspace goes to different levels and highs.


There is not always a connection between the depth of space and the aftercare needed... for me, i need the same pretty much regardless..

My mental state varies from a slight floaty feeling to complete and utter memory blank and loosing of time (Kind of weird not knowing what happened LOL)




misterraymond -> RE: SUB DROP (6/9/2012 2:18:12 PM)

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My mental state varies from a slight floaty feeling to complete and utter memory blank and loosing of time (Kind of weird not knowing what happened LOL)


For a Master to read such wonderful things gives great plerasure, you have found what so many seek, often talk about it, but never experience thus you have an owner who truly understands you and you have been granted this great gift, and your owner is also gifted with the knowledge that through his care, guidance and experience he has enabled you to visit this state of being, this message has truly made this Masters evening.




misterraymond -> RE: SUB DROP (6/9/2012 2:28:04 PM)

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There is not always a connection between the depth of space and the aftercare needed... for me, i need the same pretty much regardless..


You are so fortunate, you offer your owner a great deal of transparency, so there is a greater understanding of your needs, some subs after a session actually lock their Master out of their feelings, this can be disturbing when on occassion it happens, from this Masters experience until there is an understanding of the subs mental state and her comfort levels, he must stay attentive, often there is a need to cry, some cry buckets. this Master has had a woman to enter into a fit of laughing, everyone is so different yet in so many ways so alike, your replies and posts on thios topic are so welcome.

This Master has a question, if you care to answer: Have you suffered sub drop just out of the blue, maybe a week later , for no apparent reason , you may feel tearful, a need, insecure it will pass often swiftly or give a downer on a whole day, have you or any others experienced this.

Second Question: have you a reason for it........................??????




amaidiamond -> RE: SUB DROP (6/9/2012 3:31:09 PM)

> This Master has a question, if you care to answer: Have you suffered sub drop just out of the blue, maybe a week later , for no apparent reason , you may feel tearful, a need, insecure it will pass often swiftly or give a downer on a whole day, have you or any others experienced this.


At the start when we were play mates he used to come visit about once every 2 months for 4-7 days, that was all the time we could have.

After those few days together, a few days after him leaving for home, I would crash.. yes... insecure, low, shakey and the like.

Dealt with it by LOTS of communication, lots and lots of reassurance from him and the like, and also knowing that it was drop, it was tempory and would soon pass..

Since we got to be together full time there has been much less drop...

THe main thing that I find hard the next day or a few hours after really heavy play, that I can't remember and have HUGE blanks..

Waking up black and blue and unsure how you got the bruises is quite a mind bending experience.




misterraymond -> RE: SUB DROP (6/9/2012 3:54:36 PM)

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Waking up black and blue and unsure how you got the bruises is quite a mind bending experience.


This is really an important statement,

It demonstrates why there is a need to know your sub, know in my case the Master.

The mind bending experience can at first appear serious abuse, the subs mind can often not be balanced, this is such a valuable point.

Many Mistresses and Masters are often accused of abuse often after the event, this demonstrates the need to know intimately and in detail all about the partner you work with , long term involements are thus safest and often more rewarding.




misterraymond -> RE: SUB DROP (6/9/2012 3:57:25 PM)

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lt with it by LOTS of communication, lots and lots of reassurance from him and the like,


This is so important, a dozen calls a day or one, but communicate.




misterraymond -> RE: SUB DROP (6/9/2012 3:58:27 PM)

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Since we got to be together full time there has been much less drop...


This is good news, and your reply to this Masters questions greatly appreciated, you are so understanding of this Topic.




misterraymond -> RE: SUB DROP (6/9/2012 3:59:39 PM)

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HUGE blanks


This is often after a rewarding session.........................?????




amaidiamond -> RE: SUB DROP (6/9/2012 4:01:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: misterraymond

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HUGE blanks


This is often after a rewarding session.........................?????



I have no idea why after a very intense session or a heavy beating I have memory loss... it litterally is like missing time.. i remember the start, and I remember coming around but that is about it..

Often over the course of the day I get flashes but sometimes my Owner has to fill in the gaps LOL




MissImmortalPain -> RE: SUB DROP (6/9/2012 6:36:46 PM)

If I am offer up a suggestion as to why this happens. It is very common for our brain to decide on it's own what we can and can not deal with. Many people find that after something traumatic happens(not saying what you do with your sir is traumatic but I'm sure you get my point) that for awhile they will not remember things. They find that after while pieces come back though and in most cases they will end up remembering everything. It is only something to worry about when there are large blank spots that never become clear.




amaidiamond -> RE: SUB DROP (6/9/2012 11:45:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain

If I am offer up a suggestion as to why this happens. It is very common for our brain to decide on it's own what we can and can not deal with. Many people find that after something traumatic happens(not saying what you do with your sir is traumatic but I'm sure you get my point) that for awhile they will not remember things. They find that after while pieces come back though and in most cases they will end up remembering everything. It is only something to worry about when there are large blank spots that never become clear.



Thanks and I had not thought of that,

It does usually all come back or at least the general gist over the course of the day - :D




Thaz -> RE: SUB DROP (6/10/2012 1:10:54 AM)

Concur with the above.

I've not experienced it through play. However I have a chunk of missing memory (and not from a night out with the lads on the beer).

During this time I was concious, talking, comunicating and aware. I cannot recall any of it, even years later. Seeing as it _was_ rather traumatic I have no desire to revist it as one should not see ones own bones outside of x-ray. However I have some wicked scars as a result ;-) Get einough of the right chemicals flowing in the bloodstream and the body/mind cant tell the difference between consent and non-consent :-)




misterraymond -> RE: SUB DROP (6/10/2012 9:40:10 AM)

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after a very intense session or a heavy beating I have memory loss


MissImmortalPain really has given a true answer in so far that the brain decides what it can deal with, how it deals with it and when.

There are many theories but this Master really does subscribe to this interpretation.

However Freud will be touched on later...........??




misterraymond -> RE: SUB DROP (6/10/2012 9:42:06 AM)

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in most cases they will end up remembering everything


This is oiften the case, memory recall and with that recall often comes an addiction for more of the same.............???




misterraymond -> RE: SUB DROP (6/10/2012 9:46:34 AM)

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Get einough of the right chemicals flowing in the bloodstream and the body/mind cant tell the difference between consent and non-consent :-)


These words are so true, and this post is so valuable to us all, any post from real time experieces is valuable.

In sub space there is no difference between consent and non-consent, the difference can happen and the questions asked when the sub enters his or her SUB DROP...........................?????

This post is really appreciated.................???




misterraymond -> RE: SUB DROP (6/10/2012 9:48:17 AM)

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However I have some wicked scars as a result



Such a session can last some people a lifetime, others it addicts and they wish to return to taste that what they fear so much.




misterraymond -> RE: SUB DROP (6/10/2012 9:56:51 AM)

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my Owner has to fill in the gaps


This forms part of valuable aftercare, being told what your mind has not taken in, this information will focus a subs mind and often prepare them for a future session,

There is a question here................???

Would it be wrong if an owner made believe the session went to a far higher and greater level than it did in reality,. part of mind stimulation.

This can often be the case when the Master/owner wishes to satisfy a sub/slave with and who has sadistic tendencies and that sub/slave has a need to be satisfied, but the Master/owner wishes to stay safe.




amaidiamond -> RE: SUB DROP (6/10/2012 9:57:12 AM)

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In sub space there is no difference between consent and non-consent,


That is a truly dangerous statement.

If you are playing with someone and they are in subspace and they use their safeword - you still STOP...





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