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Ironic or not? - 5/23/2012 8:38:02 AM   
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http://news.yahoo.com/anti-racists-attack-white-heritage-group-family-restaurant-003220721--abc-news-topstories.html

18 people dressed in black and wearing masks barged into a Mom & Pop restaurant and attacked (they were armed with hammers and steel batons) another gathering of people.

The people gathered were members of the Illinois European Heritage Association. They are purported to be a "White Pride" group.

The people that attacked are connected to HARM (Hoosier Anti Racist Movement). Well, the 5 guys that were caught and detained are connected to HARM. The other 13 may or may not be.

Here's something I did "like" about the guys that were caught. They were white. So, at least 5 white guys were caught attacking a supposed white pride group. That speaks to their stance against racism.

But, here's what they were charged with:

    Five of the attackers were caught and have now been charged with aggravated battery, mob action and criminal damage to property, all felonies.


Now, I could be wrong, but racism was at the heart of these attacks, right? Doesn't that qualify these attacks as "hate crimes?" There was no mention of hate crime accusations, though it is clearly a case of an attack because of racism.

Lastly, where are the "Reverends" Sharpton and Jackson?

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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/23/2012 8:44:52 AM   
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Bigots gotta be more careful.

Don`t we wish there was a bit more of this in Germany, during the years just before WWII.

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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/23/2012 8:50:40 AM   
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My sources inform me that Sharpton and Jackson were at a competitor's waffle house.

Now, that is what ironic is.

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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/23/2012 8:53:22 AM   
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They weren't racits towards whites...they just wanted to attack racists, so I don't think that fits the legal definition of a hate crime. Truth is most violent crime is a hate crime regardless of the race involved. Two gangs attacking each other is often out of hate more than anything else. A man raping a woman is often a hate crime but never charged as such... Hate crime laws are in themselves hate crimes because they dscriminate between different types of hate.

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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/23/2012 8:58:01 AM   
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That won`t stop the knuckle-heads from throwing around the "racist" word regarding the attackers or claiming some sort of moral equivalence.

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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/23/2012 8:58:34 AM   
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Not.
"This word you keep using: it does not mean what you think it means."

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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/23/2012 9:37:56 AM   
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...it is clearly a case of an attack because of racism.



I don't believe so, as they were not attacked because of their race -- but because of their views.



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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/23/2012 9:59:30 AM   
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Lastly, where are the "Reverends" Sharpton and Jackson?


Hahahaha ... you might've wanted to leave this little ditty out before sounding all Shelock'n'shit

I mean, what are we supposed to process?

My only impression of this whole mess is that midwest folks must have some real serious issues, beating and killing each other over race like that. Back East we usually beat and kill each other over either drugs, money, or material things. It just makes more sense that way.


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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/23/2012 10:03:23 AM   
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My sources inform me that Sharpton and Jackson were at a competitor's waffle house.


I think it's great they get out together... I wonder what they ordered.

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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/23/2012 1:11:57 PM   
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I`m still holding my opinion about the texting while driving case till I find out the racial makeups of the people involved and whether Al or Jessie showed up.




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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/23/2012 1:37:38 PM   
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Oh, I can understand this.  I belong to a few Historical groups, one is the "Sons of Norway" it is lodge of people with 
Scandinavian  background.  My grandmother on my mother side is Swedish.  We hold open public displays of mostly Norsemen, what is normally called Viking history...do we get people complaining about us as some White Power group

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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/23/2012 1:50:53 PM   
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It all depends.

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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/23/2012 3:04:00 PM   
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Bigots gotta be more careful.

Don`t we wish there was a bit more of this in Germany, during the years just before WWII.

There was - a lot of it. Only it was the Nazis cracking heads and breaking windows. True, it might have made a difference if the German people gave blow for blow, but do we really want to live in a society where this goes on?

Subrob, yachtie, RealOne, et al: before you go mouthing off with your Teabagger hate, stop to consider that violence goes both ways. Tone down the spew before 'they' come for you, eh?


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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/23/2012 9:35:57 PM   
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quote:

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Bigots gotta be more careful.

Don`t we wish there was a bit more of this in Germany, during the years just before WWII.

There was - a lot of it. Only it was the Nazis cracking heads and breaking windows. True, it might have made a difference if the German people gave blow for blow, but do we really want to live in a society where this goes on?

Subrob, yachtie, RealOne, et al: before you go mouthing off with your Teabagger hate, stop to consider that violence goes both ways. Tone down the spew before 'they' come for you, eh?




You may notice I said "a bit more".

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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/23/2012 10:00:12 PM   
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We hold open public displays of mostly Norsemen, what is normally called Viking history...do we get people complaining about us as some White Power group


That's just nuts. I'm of Danish and Irish extraction and have wanted to bring my son to one. Unfortunately the closest chapters seem to be in Minnesota.



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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/23/2012 10:03:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

http://news.yahoo.com/anti-racists-attack-white-heritage-group-family-restaurant-003220721--abc-news-topstories.html

18 people dressed in black and wearing masks barged into a Mom & Pop restaurant and attacked (they were armed with hammers and steel batons) another gathering of people.

The people gathered were members of the Illinois European Heritage Association. They are purported to be a "White Pride" group.

The people that attacked are connected to HARM (Hoosier Anti Racist Movement). Well, the 5 guys that were caught and detained are connected to HARM. The other 13 may or may not be.

Here's something I did "like" about the guys that were caught. They were white. So, at least 5 white guys were caught attacking a supposed white pride group. That speaks to their stance against racism.

But, here's what they were charged with:

    Five of the attackers were caught and have now been charged with aggravated battery, mob action and criminal damage to property, all felonies.


Now, I could be wrong, but racism was at the heart of these attacks, right? Doesn't that qualify these attacks as "hate crimes?" There was no mention of hate crime accusations, though it is clearly a case of an attack because of racism.

Lastly, where are the "Reverends" Sharpton and Jackson?


Your point, assuming you are capable of one, welcome any time.

So let's have what you are really wanting to say here.

Bring it on.





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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/23/2012 10:56:20 PM   
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Here's something I did "like" about the guys that were caught. They were white. So, at least 5 white guys were caught attacking a supposed white pride group. That speaks to their stance against racism.

Are you really saying white guys can't be against white supremacy?

But, here's what they were charged with:

    Five of the attackers were caught and have now been charged with aggravated battery, mob action and criminal damage to property, all felonies.

Well, yes.

Now, I could be wrong, but racism was at the heart of these attacks, right?

I think you are wrong. Coming out against racism isn't itself racist. What reason do you have to attribute these attacks to the victims' race, rather than their political views? Nevermind, I'll answer that myself. None, apparently, because many of the people charged with this assault against white supremists were themselves white, as you said yourself.

Doesn't that qualify these attacks as "hate crimes?"

In my opinion, any assault is a "hate crime". However, the hate, in this case, seems to be based on politics, and not on race.

There was no mention of hate crime accusations, though it is clearly a case of an attack because of racism.

Because an attack "because of racism" (as heinous as it may be) is neverthetheless NOT a "hate crime", at least by the Justice Department's definition of the term "hate crime":

"Hate crime is the violence of intolerance and bigotry, intended to hurt and intimidate someone because of their race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, or disability. (You will notice that "political views" is NOT on the list."

http://www.justice.gov/crs/pubs/htecrm.htm


Lastly, where are the "Reverends" Sharpton and Jackson?

Probably too smart to endose assault, no matter who it was against.



My vote is for: NOT ironic. Just sad.

Pam

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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/24/2012 12:32:56 AM   
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Oh then thank goodness.

At least now we can be 'sad' over contrived and convoluted perception of social distortion.

What a good thing it is to have a media puppet's distraction to draw our attention away from the many thousands of deaths occurring in other parts of the world at our behest.

But a good twist based on purely and intentionally political aspect is what it takes to bring us around sometimes, n'est pas?


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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/24/2012 12:38:47 AM   
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What a good thing it is to have a media puppet's distraction to draw our attention away from the many thousands of deaths occurring in other parts of the world at our behest.


We have to choose? We can't be sad for both?

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RE: Ironic or not? - 5/24/2012 4:25:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

http://news.yahoo.com/anti-racists-attack-white-heritage-group-family-restaurant-003220721--abc-news-topstories.html

18 people dressed in black and wearing masks barged into a Mom & Pop restaurant and attacked (they were armed with hammers and steel batons) another gathering of people.

The people gathered were members of the Illinois European Heritage Association. They are purported to be a "White Pride" group.

The people that attacked are connected to HARM (Hoosier Anti Racist Movement). Well, the 5 guys that were caught and detained are connected to HARM. The other 13 may or may not be.

Here's something I did "like" about the guys that were caught. They were white. So, at least 5 white guys were caught attacking a supposed white pride group. That speaks to their stance against racism.

But, here's what they were charged with:

    Five of the attackers were caught and have now been charged with aggravated battery, mob action and criminal damage to property, all felonies.


Now, I could be wrong, but racism was at the heart of these attacks, right? Doesn't that qualify these attacks as "hate crimes?" There was no mention of hate crime accusations, though it is clearly a case of an attack because of racism.

Lastly, where are the "Reverends" Sharpton and Jackson?

Yeah neo nazi group attacked in public /clap /clap /clap I just have no pity for nazis who get beaten up. I think if the restaraunt knew who they were hosting and got trashed /clap /clap /clap. Do I understand how unamerican it is to beat nazis up....no, not really it may be illegal but the ideas of any stormfront related group are repugnant enough for me to be ok with it and it isnt a quyestion of free speech I am not the state and the assailants were arrested because we aren't nazis here :) . Storm front related groups aren't "white pride"

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