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linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 12:25:01 PM   
tade


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Status: offline 		I've noticed in the year or so I have been part of this wonderful communtiy that a few of us like to answer questions (often by newer members) by linking to other posts about whatever the topic may be. Personally I find this condesending and rude. Perhaps the poster didn't know about the search feature (can't imagine that, but hey... benefit of the doubt and all) but the posting of  "Link to 19 discussions on this", "Link to 35 discussions on that" runs the risk of making them not posting on another topic, for fear of being made to feel dumb for asking. It's also not very friendly. (Sorry about that last part...trying to techer our son the value of being nice and it wears off on me sometimes).

I know we're all adults, or at least supposed to be,so I'm not as concerned with someone's feelings getting hurt as I am by not getting the exchange of ideas that comes from a posted topic being up on that first page when I log onto the forums.

If it is done for the sake of helping others advance their knowledge by reading what others had written, then more power to you. However most of the time that is far from the feeling I get when I see it done by someone with thousands of posts to someone with only a handfull. Hell I would have thousands of posts under my belt if I answered every forum with a link to any other post that contained the same word, but I only chose to add to the discussions rather than gloat about my ability to use the search funtion...

And just so this will be linked to in the years that follow...
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< Message edited by tade -- 6/6/2006 12:26:11 PM >

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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 12:36:20 PM   
OedipusRexIt


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Status: offline 		I think you make an excellent point.  Bet you get slammed for making it by someone...

Some of us inhabit the forums more than others.  That doesn't make the more frequent visitors any better. 

I've noticed (and probably unwittingly committed the same sin) mega-posters who will condescend to point out what "everyone" knows when a new member asks an innocent question, as if we have all the postings memorized.

I wonder how often CM "cleans out the attic" of old posts, if ever.

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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 12:40:06 PM   
CollaredProperty


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Status: offline 		I have to agree, I find it rude. The whole purpose for starting a topic is to find a fresh answer to your discussion.

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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 12:41:28 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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quote:

ORIGINAL: tade
However most of the time that is far from the feeling I get when I see it done by someone with thousands of posts to someone with only a handfull. Hell I would have thousands of posts under my belt if I answered every forum with a link to any other post that contained the same word, but I only chose to add to the discussions rather than gloat about my ability to use the search funtion...

I can understand your feelings on that, and I know full well that there ARE people who react this way to my postings (and Proud who also does a great job of it).

On the other hand, instead of maybe getting 30 responses from whatever people randomly happen to be posting on that particular day the thread is begun, a person can now get dozens of threads, stretching through time, from a much larger pool of participants. 

It also tends to help people understand that the search function IS there and hopefully gets them to use it so they can find more than simply what gets tossed up on the boards on a day to day basis. 

I think like everything, use it if it serves you, ignore it if it doesn't.  It brings me no pleasure to know that people not only don't like me posting thread links, but actively think I'm trying to gloat or put people down by doing it.  But I think the benefits outweight the possible downsides.

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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 12:42:33 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		I have to wonder if this falls under Erins idea of a "witchhunt" consider we're "talking about people" when we pretty much know exactly what's going on.

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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 12:44:14 PM   
MistressSassy66


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quote:

ORIGINAL: tade

I've noticed in the year or so I have been part of this wonderful communtiy that a few of us like to answer questions (often by newer members) by linking to other posts about whatever the topic may be. Personally I find this condesending and rude. Perhaps the poster didn't know about the search feature (can't imagine that, but hey... benefit of the doubt and all) but the posting of  "Link to 19 discussions on this", "Link to 35 discussions on that" runs the risk of making them not posting on another topic, for fear of being made to feel dumb for asking. It's also not very friendly. (Sorry about that last part...trying to techer our son the value of being nice and it wears off on me sometimes).

I know we're all adults, or at least supposed to be,so I'm not as concerned with someone's feelings getting hurt as I am by not getting the exchange of ideas that comes from a posted topic being up on that first page when I log onto the forums.

If it is done for the sake of helping others advance their knowledge by reading what others had written, then more power to you. However most of the time that is far from the feeling I get when I see it done by someone with thousands of posts to someone with only a handfull. Hell I would have thousands of posts under my belt if I answered every forum with a link to any other post that contained the same word, but I only chose to add to the discussions rather than gloat about my ability to use the search funtion...

And just so this will be linked to in the years that follow...
Fisting, music, crop, flogger, singletail, needle, water, switch, top, bottom, bear, worship, scold, punish and Fred...




I have noticed that too.
I can admit I find it a little condesending...I didnt happen to be on the day that topic was discussed,so now I have upteen pages to go read that arnt neccesarily specific to My question.

I like to post links to websites that are helpful, for instance  www.frugaldomme.com    is a great one....My favorite even.

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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 12:45:02 PM   
Aileen68


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Status: offline 		LA...I think you should have posted a bunch of links about this topic.

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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 12:46:18 PM   
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I think that people have to get over their scaredness and shyness at some point.  You attribute meaning where there may be none, this method gives really good background and people find out they are so NOT alone. 

I don't remember any thread pullers who say:

Here, read these and shut up, I believe they do it more for augmentation, than pedagogic reasons.

Ron  

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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 12:49:26 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen68
LA...I think you should have posted a bunch of links about this topic.

ROFL there aren't many actually. 

There IS a process I go through, I don't just run and get links that all have the same word in them.  I click through them, see if the question really matches in relevance, I eliminate the ones that only have one or two responses, I try a few different search patterns, etc. 

I know people look at my posts with links and roll their eyes and go "Good grief, we're just trying to have a discussion here."  That's ok. 

There's also the selfish side that says I'm just too lazy to keep reposting replies to things I've answered and it gives me a timeline to track for myself when I want to look over old threads. 

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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 12:50:25 PM   
doll


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Status: offline 		I have to agree with the poster.  I was told several times that I posted in the wrong section, this topic has been discussed so many times that we are tired of hearing about it, was given the links to several of the threads pertaining to what I had posted, etc...etc...and that was all from my very first posting on here.  I happen to have a real life friend on CM that came to my defense because I was flamed and told her that I refused to post on here again if that was the responses I got.  I don't really have a problem with the pasting links, though, I can just as easily not click on them.  Sighs...I am done saying my two cents now.....be well.

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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 12:50:43 PM   
tade


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I have to wonder if this falls under Erins idea of a "witchhunt" consider we're "talking about people" when we pretty much know exactly what's going on.


No darlin', Not a witch hunt, just an observation not pointed at you but to the community as a whole. It's techincally not a witch hunt until the torches get lit and they bring out the dunking stool, at which point my Wiccan slave will be running for the hills...LOL

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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 12:51:33 PM   
lisa1978


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Status: offline 		It is kind of a no win scenario to me.

To me a message board is to be part of a community and an active thread that I can follow and/or post is so much more interesting and holds my thoughts and attentions than spending a half hour trying to come up with the right keywords and read stale postings that were hijacked and filled with "LOL" and other things that make them much more difficult to read. I just feel that a message board is not a library.

On the other hand, I understand that it gets frustrating seeing the same topics over and over again by people that have been on collar me for awhile. The core supporters of the message board should have some say in the matter.

I guess though my overall opinion is this, I do not see why newbies like me cannot have active discussions on topics that interest us. If the topic title makes you yawn do not click on it and  not post. It will go away quick enough. I do not mind people posting links from the past but many times the apparent attitude is stop boring us with this question and  wasting our time. Mostly this is a miss conception nice people trying to help outand not all people who do that write that way, but there is some of that from what I have seen.

To me it comes to wanting to engage in active conversation and not like I am going on google.




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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 12:59:55 PM   
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I personally don't find it condencending but see it as yet ANOTHER useful bit of information available to the OP. 

"In addition to the fine answers in this thread, you may want to find additional information posted at these links" type of thing...No? 


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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 1:02:02 PM   
mistoferin


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quote:

ORIGINAL: lisa1978
I do not see why newbies like me cannot have active discussions on topics that interest us. If the topic title makes you yawn do not click on it and  not post. It will go away quick enough. I do not mind people posting links from the past but many times the apparent attitude is stop boring us with this question and  wasting our time. Mostly this is a miss conception nice people trying to help outand not all people who do that write that way, but there is some of that from what I have seen.


I have provided links to some, although I am not as good at it as LA or proudsub are. I have also pointed out the search function and suggested to people that if they put in the topic and search they will find a wealth of information at their fingertips. Once someone posts a topic they have opened up an active discussion. If I give someone links to a previous one I am not trying to limit their ability to have a present one, only to provide access to additional information and postings.

I can tell you that as a long time poster here, there are some topics that I simply don't post to anymore except in the most rare occasions. I don't because I have posted....and posted.....and posted on the subject to the point that I no longer feel the same passion about it, so it seems wise to me to point out a link to a post where I still wrote on the topic with "spark", rather than force myself to give a half assed, less than passionate answer. Not to mention, especially in the case of those who are newer and wanting to learn....you can never have too many perspectives to draw information from can you?

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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 1:03:23 PM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		I have read some archives. I have found some benefit in this. Having said that if I wanted to read articles on different subjects I would search for them on google. I come to a message board for interaction. I like to post to others insights and read answers to my questions, and to be a part of the discussion. As Lisa stated, the past archives tend to be hard to follow, many of the people that posted are no longer posting here, or rarely do. I cannot ask someone for clarification on a point they made a year ago, for example.

So while it is nice for people to know they can search archives for differing perspectives on topics, most people want to interact, which is why they are on a message board

As far as people who post multiple archived links... if that is what they want to do and they think it is a productive use of their time, why should I care? Just like if people want to argue something others think of as gossiping and high school, I do not care about that either. People should take what they need and leave the rest. If they think something is overdone, why even read it (I rarely read slave v sub threads for example... BORING)? I think that the one thing that does get on my nerves is that people are sometimes told they asked a stupid question, there are no stupid questions.. Just questions that someone else does not want to answer.. Instead of ridiculing a thread that others want to respond to because you feel it is overdone and beneath you, try not clicking on it, or better yet, use the "X" function on your browser.... Just my opinion

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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 1:04:13 PM   
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quote:

LA...I think you should have posted a bunch of links about this topic.


Yep Aileen. 
I think it's rude of people to be harshing on LA's service kink.     

For those of us who have been around for awhile and cringe every time we see a topic that has been talked about ad naseum, it's nice when someone takes the trouble to post the links, that way we can know the newbie is getting some good info and we don't have to go near the thread.


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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 1:06:38 PM   
mtumwawaBwana


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Status: offline 		i have to admit...i had posted a query under an account i can no longer use because it was hacked.....i was received by endless posts to look up the answer in search. .... and  overwelming links to old posts and threads. at first i was offended, (at that time i really did not know about the CM search button, so it was a chance to learn something new).... but after i thought about it a few......i came to realize the few posters who attack others in such a manner only do it because that is "who they are".
tactless....yes
rude....yes
thoughtless....yes
unkind....yes

but i chose to look past all this and see the meat of the posts.....took what i needed from them, and threw out the rest.

no one is perfect.....we all make mistakes........if i cant forgive others.........i can not expect others to forgive me......

i know im just a wallflower......just a slave......so this is just my humble opinion

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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 1:08:33 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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quote:

ORIGINAL: doll
I was told several times that I posted in the wrong section,

This was back when you were new and didn't know where to post yet, and you yourself even apologized to people for posting in the wrong place. (your I Need Some Advice thread)
quote:


this topic has been discussed so many times that we are tired of hearing about it

Unfortunately you made a general "Why do I get sucky emails" thread which sadly really is the groaner topic of the boards.  There's no helping that.
quote:


was given the links to several of the threads pertaining to what I had posted,

Actually the only thread you started in which you were given links was the "I need some advice" thread in which you were given links to other organizations that would be good resources for you.

quote:

and that was all from my very first posting on here

No, this actually took place over about 5 threads, including your "Burning at Both Ends" thread.  Your first post was an introduction from which you received nothing but positive replies.

quote:

 I don't really have a problem with the pasting links, though, I can just as easily not click on them.  Sighs...I am done saying my two cents now.....be well.

I think the best advice is something you posted on the "Name and Shame the Troublemakers" post:
"Oh wait, are you talking about online shit? Oh hell, get a life buddy."

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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 1:08:40 PM   
heartfeltsub


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Status: offline 		i personally find it very helpful and wonder why offense is taken, there is nothing to say that the topic can't continue to be discussed even though it was discussed in the past, just that here are some previous discussions on the issue that might answer the question that the OP has posed.

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RE: linking to topics in past forums... - 6/6/2006 1:12:01 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		It's not condescending and it's not rude.  Longtime users have seen the same questions asked over and over, and we've often reached the point, as mistoferin says, where we just don't have more to say about a certain topic.  But chances are, we've said a lot about it in the past.  A new user can (in fact, SHOULD) go and read what people have said, and then, if he or she still wants to discuss the topic, come back and revisit it.

But taking offense is simply irrational.  People post these links for your own benefit.  If you don't want to be bothered with them, just skip the list and move on to the next post.

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