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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 10:28:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do not know of its origins. I do recall seeing it used in the early chatrooms like IRC and mIRC when they first came out. I was a moderator for about 5 years. IRC started in 1988 in Finland but became wide spread by the 90's. Slave speak was used in several of the BDSM chat channels. The sub would have to announce him/herself, kneel down in the room and blah blah blah. I never got into it.

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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 10:35:58 AM   
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Where did it originate?

With blithering idiots. Where else?

(And I second your memories. I'd never heard it till I got on line-that and the slash S/s type crap)

I remember it from the 70s . . . the gay scene, there was "fist boy", "second boy" in a poly. They referred to themselves in third person like "this boy requests permission to go to bathroom".

I wouldn't blame the leathermen for it. It was just my first personal exposure to it.

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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 11:05:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I remember subs/slaves were supposed to beg permission to enter, and since they'd already entered, this seemed beyond stupid to me.

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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 11:07:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh wow, the 70s. Was this in Florida?

I don't remember anything like that from the NO scene in the 70s, but then I did go around stoned most of the time.



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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 1:28:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		The first time I ever heard or saw anything remotely close to anything slavery-ish, was when I was very young, I was really into Conan and Red Sonja. I was with My mother and I rented a movie called The Barbarian Queen. I thought it was going to be like Conan, turns out it was a really really R rated movie with these slaves and the barbarian men. Now that I think about it, I might go find the movie and watch it. lol. But then I remember running to My mom and being like "MAMA!! You got a baaaaad movie!!"

So there is My contribution to this post.

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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 1:32:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist


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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
Where did it originate?

With blithering idiots. Where else?

(And I second your memories. I'd never heard it till I got on line-that and the slash S/s type crap)

I remember it from the 70s . . . the gay scene, there was "fist boy", "second boy" in a poly. They referred to themselves in third person like "this boy requests permission to go to bathroom".

I wouldn't blame the leathermen for it. It was just my first personal exposure to it.

Yeah-I have kinda vague recollections of folks in the leather scene using third person speech way back in the day....but like I said, they're hazy memories and I don't wanna paint the leather community with that brush unless I'm sure of the source.
I figured Lance would know though...or LP....and since they didn't say anything, I figured my recollection was erroneous

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
I don't remember anything like that from the NO scene in the 70s, but then I did go around stoned most of the time.

Hell, I don't remember seeing it in NO in the bloody 90's!

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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 2:34:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd go with Gor...and I must admit I find the protocol entertaining.

Yet, I don't really like the general attitude towards women.

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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 2:38:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
I don't remember anything like that from the NO scene in the 70s, but then I did go around stoned most of the time.

Hell, I don't remember seeing it in NO in the bloody 90's!


GOD BLESS NEW ORLEANS!!!!!!!!!

Just had to get that out there because it's been too fucking long since I walked the French Quarter early in the morning with a cafe au lait and warm beignet in hand.

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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 2:42:57 PM   
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The first time I used 3rd person speech was about 30 some odd years ago in speaking to my ankle biters.

"Mommy said no."

Most recent was about 18 months ago in speaking to my grand-ankle biter.

"Grandma said no."

Not much has changed I guess.



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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 2:47:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh yeah, and they have to be from the Cafe Du Monde.

It's been over 30 years but I still remember the smell and taste of a fresh warm beignet and a hot coffee with chicory.

Those were good days. I was so young and stupid, I didn't *know* how young and stupid I was. My very first taste of the lifestyle was going to a bar called, appropriately enough, The Dungeon.

My lil world has not been the same since.



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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 2:54:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

Oh yeah, and they have to be from the Cafe Du Monde.

It's been over 30 years but I still remember the smell and taste of a fresh warm beignet and a hot coffee with chicory.

Those were good days. I was so young and stupid, I didn't *know* how young and stupid I was. My very first taste of the lifestyle was going to a bar called, appropriately enough, The Dungeon.

My lil world has not been the same since.




I order the coffee with chicory online by the case and make it on weekends. No better way to start a day than a cafe au lait.

Sometimes we make beignets here at home but it's just not the same...

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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 3:06:52 PM   
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Decorate your balcony area with beads, empty beer bottles and lots of litter.
If you don't have a balcony, then a patio area, a porch, or heck, even a gravel driveway will do!
Then, in your best southern belle imitation, you say to GenericDude "Brew me something, Mister!"

Cafe Du Monde actually markets their products for retail now.
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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 3:12:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just back, tried a few of the new contenders, but Du Monde (now apparently with an all Vietnamese staff) is still peerlessly #1. -And I think you need crazy-hot oil to make a beignet and that you may need a restaurant-level deep fryer to pull it off.

I recall no slashy speaking prior to the millenium, but those people may sort of keep to themselves like the Goreans do.

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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 4:31:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would think its a gor thing.. though I do recall the earlier days of IRC and chat rooms there that had odd written protocals of caps for dominant (and woe is you if you capped your nick as a submissive!), and things like slashy speak to indicate lowered status. I am not sure if that is before gor became locked in or not. I dont recall gor being part of it, but slave and master, yep.

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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 4:53:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		i can't say when/where it started, but i attribute that to the LARP (live action role play) phenomenon. staying in character is supposed to make it more fun, even if it's a lifestyle for some.

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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 7:27:33 PM   
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I think some of it's earliest inspiration was from
cheesy b movies from the forties and the fifties.
Movies where the slave girl or native girl never says
I but says things like "Master wants Talinka to
go away?"
It was probably in pulp paperbacks before Gor
in one guise or the other.
People probably did variations on it before the
Internet. Like people spoke Klingon before the
Internet. The Internet and chatrooms just spread it
wider.
I don't begrudge the Gor people doing their thing
but it can be distracting. As for the slashy stuff, some
shit should stay in the chatrooms.

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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 7:35:44 PM   
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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 8:40:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		The ex-Dom and I used to run a chat room on mIrc called #bdsm_Pennsylvania. We mainly used it as a place to invite people to bdsm parties at my house. It was fun for a little while. I eventually gave up on the channel because I didn't believe in kicking or banning people because imo, if you're an adult act like an adult. If you couldn't you could always put the other person on ignore or leave the channel. It wasn't a big deal to me. Everyone else who frequented the channel though wanted me to continually kick and ban people. I thought they acted like children so I said fuck it and closed it down and I stopped holding parties.

I wanted more children I would have had more lol.


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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 9:30:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		First, I'm not sure what is meant specifically by "slave speak."

But certain conventions such as Capitalizing references to the Dominant and lowercasing references to the submissive, and I think use of third person speech, go back at least to the writings of Leopold von Sacher-Masoch. Neither convention is really all that new.

Third person speech in particular has at times been part of military protocol, especially in basic training, and since the original leather bikers as I understand it were WWII veterans it's unsurprising if they used such.

My experience of online Gor is that it's sometimes pretty tenuously connected to the novels. In the Gor books slaves usually did NOT speak in third person, although sometimes they did.

Now, "slashy speak" or using constructions such as W/we, O/our, Y/you etc probably originated in IRC as far as I know, probably because people got confused about how to reference groups including both Dominants and submissives.




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RE: Where did slave speak originate? - 5/26/2012 9:43:22 PM   
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Third person speech in particular has at times been part of military protocol, especially in basic training, and since the original leather bikers as I understand it were WWII veterans it's unsurprising if they used such.
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Sir! Yes, SIR! This recruit believes You to be correct, Sir! "Just an example, mind you," says Lance.

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ETA: Upon re-read of whole thread, I flashed on:

Your Majesty, Your Holiness, Your Honour, etc.

Your humble servant approaches Your Grace to petition for relief in the matter of his live-stock being killed by ....

Our Father, which art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name. (Yes, I know that "Thy" is formal for "your," but capitalized!) And "Our Father" is indirect. How about: Father, who is in Heaven, hallowed be your name.

Seems ANY time there is a TPE, we have "slave-speak"







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