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joether -> RE: Five ways Mitt Romney is fighting against unions and America's middle class (5/29/2012 1:04:21 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Arturas
1) right to work enables anyone to work without having to pay union dues and join the union. This is called Freedom.
Actually, the 'right to work' allows for the employee to terminate their work with an employer at any time for any reason. It has NOTHING to do with the Unions. In fact, it was the very Unions you bash, that created this concept in legal terms to come about. The Unions of the 19th-20th centuries did not like the idea that Americans could be 'indentured servants' (aka contracted slaves) to whom anything can be done to them by their master's wishs. I would how many conservatives would be 'ok', with a harsh master that forces you to work on four hours of sleep, in unsafe work conditions, doing eight hour work weeks, with a pitance of wages that go right back to the company store to by food and clothing? Would you wish to quit for such a company?
Go ahead Arturas, tell all of us here that you would be 'ok' to do that job for the rest of your life....
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ORIGINAL: Arturas
2) Can you say government entitiy controlled by the unions?
"The AFL-CIO has named former National Labor Relations Board member Craig Becker as its co-general counsel."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/22/1093736/-Former-National-Labor-Relations-Board-member-Craig-Becker-going-to-AFL-CIO
And those Unions are headed up by.....AMERICANS....whom feel workers should get a fair deal. Your silly attempt to label Unions as non-American is amusing. Who should the US Goverment be controlled by, Arturas? The American People! Not some multi-national, foreign owned, corporation that has profits in the tens of billions! Unions are set up to function like mini-USA's. They have representatives who act in favor of the members as a whole. Is it a perfect system? Course not; but far better than leaving each employee at the mercy of the employeer. Would you enjoy playing Blackjack against The House, when they can deal out either a face or '10' card, but draw a random care for the second? And that both of your cards can NEVER be a face or '10' card? Would you enjoy betting your hard earn money in this fashion, Arturas?
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ORIGINAL: Arturas
3) Can you say "No We Can't"?
So, I guess you enjoy picking berries in the hot Arizonian sun in the middle of summer, right? That *IS* what your advocating. Since all the illegal immigrants cant do those jobs, that leaves Americans. Unless your willing to 'put your money where your mouth is' and do that job for five years solid WITHOUT complaint; but all means, force other Americans to be paid pennies on the dollar.
You should pick up a history book on the concept of 'Company Towns' of the 19th-20th Century (which is how the Unions got their start). Is that what you desire across America? Company towns that control....EVERYTHING....EVERYONE...and.....EVERY PENNY?
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ORIGINAL: Arturas
4) This action will emprove education by keeping bad teachers from being protected by the union.
And how do we determine who is a bad teacher? Perhaps there are many good teachers that have bad students whom arent taught well by the very parents whom point fingers else where but themselves? We 'tried' this under the 'NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND' act under the Bush Administration. It failed in a number of ways. Did you actually read that document? Or were you told how to think on that law because you were to lazy to be an actual US Citizen? The founding fathers believed this nation would not survive long if its citizens did not take an active role in its health.
The problem with 'No Child Left Behind' is that if a school can not bring 100% of its students to a 'proficient' level by 2014, they lose all federal aid. What most conservatives fail to realize is that the 'proficient' level is '....70% correct....' on the exams. Most exams are based on a 'bell-shaped curve', in that the majority of students will succeed at a 75-85% correct scores. And that there will be students that fail such an exam. Under No Child Left Behind, the school would lose financial aid. So what does the school do? They have to follow the federal law, NOT, dumb down the test questions (which is to say, ask...HARDER...questions). What do you think will happen when the harder questions are asked (cus education takes place in a vaccum according to conservative Republicans)? More students will fail, not less.
How about those special needs students? They are counted for No Child Left Behind. The school by federal law must accept them into public schools; but yet, expect them to over come impossible levels on the exam. Private schools get away with this, as they can simply discriminate against which students they take. Public schools, not so lucky. So tell me, Arturas, what do those public schools do? A) Throw the handicape students out (and be inviolation of the ADA of 1992) or keep them but lose federal funding under NCLB?
Yes, the 'conservative' answer to handling bad teachers and schools is to create a law that is so moronic that it doesnt work in most circumstances!
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ORIGINAL: Arturas
5) He is correct. Ever been around union leaders?
Would you create a 'happy and fuzzy warm' relationship with a person that doesnt like you? You would? Oh, ok, go to Afghanistan and hug those Taliban folks that have been killing our soldiers for the last few years. Put your money where your mouth is....
Many employers fail at 'treating others like human beings', and create a huge amount of bad karma as a result. Unfortunately, being in 'karma debt' has many problems that most employers do not figure into their business papers. I've been around plenty of union leaders (just as I have through the SBA with company owners), and found them to have the same trait as many company owners: They Are American! You must be one of 'those' types whom see the whole 'Management vs Unions' as some sort of football game? A zero-sum affair in which one side has to lose for the other to win. But, the problem is not so easily 'black and white'; in fact, that is a rarity. The wisest position on 'Management vs Union' fights is to start of neutral and allow the arguements to be made. During which, one must 'factcheck' what is being said, and see if one side really has a decent arguement. If neither do, can a comproise be reached?
And as we have learned in Congress, conservative Republicans dont know what the word 'comprise' means, nor why its so important to use in our country's form of goverment.
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