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BamaD -> RE: Stand Your Ground II (6/15/2012 4:06:29 PM)
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I don't know for sure what the rules were in Fl before castle doctrin but in Alabama the bad guys could break into my house and cart everything I had off and if I tried to stop them I was the criminal as long as they didn't attack me. And if they lived their word had equal weight with mine when they pressed assault charges. Even then I had to give a verbal warning and fire a warning shot. I don't want to go back to that. Many of the traditional self defense laws were like that.
It's explicitly about situations where they didn't attack you.
Removing the requirements that you're complaining about legalizes the summery execution of non violent robbers without so much as a warning. That's a scenario that I find morally reprehensible but I'm also not inclined to try and arm chair quarterback what steps you need to take because of the particular nature of their being a criminal invading your house.
I do however find the application of that same principle to public property horrific. I do think that people on public property should have an obligation to retreat from threats of violence when they can safely do so. I don't think it's ok to legalize gang turf wars.
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ORIGINAL: http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/92183289.html
A judge has dismissed manslaughter charges against two men accused in a deadly gang shootout on Holton Street.
Judge Terry Lewis says Jeffrey Brown and Andrea Tyler were standing their ground the night that 15 year old Michael Jackson was shot in February 2008.
"I find from the evidence, both sides to this shootout expected, anticipated and even welcomed the additional confrontation," Judge Terry Lewis wrote in his order.
Lewis's ruling included the fact that Independent witnesses testified that Jackson and his friend, Jamal Taylor, fired the first shots in the confrontation.
Brown is serving time for another shooting that occurred earlier the same night, but Tyler is expected to be released from the Leon County Jail today.
In his order, Judge Terry Lewis was critical of the stand your ground law, however. "The law would appear to allow a person to seek out an individual, provoke him into a confrontation, then shoot and kill him if he goes for his gun. Contrary to the State's assertion, it is very much like the Wild West."
State Attorney Willie Meggs says he will call on the governor to call a special session to change the law. He says it okays gun battles in the streets.
I find it reprehensible that the crimminal can do whatever he wants as long as he says he will let you live.
Your previous posts about me aside nobdy wants to legalize gang violence. But what you do not seem to understand is that many of the old laws in effect gave the bad guy a free shot before you could fight back anywhere. Don't you have a problem with that concept?
Have you reas thier law yet I don't know where he was coming from but that's not what the law says. seeking and creating a confrontation is one of many things that disqualify a person from protect.
Again you have said what you don't like what do you want the law to be.
Do you agree with Fl official who says that if attacked by a man with a knife the victim should not be allowed to use any weapon better than a knife.
Syg says that when the thug pulls a knife and says give me you money the attack has begun, many seem to think that it beging when he slashed the victim and since if the victim would just give him the money no one would have gotten hurt.
I am not trying to put words in your mouth but do you believe that the assalant should get a free shot before the victim can do anything because while it may not be your intent that sounds like like you do.
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